4 Videos - Inside Live 10 - Why it was better!

**yungflo** · 09-03-2010, 09:50 AM

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I love you.

(seriously, I agree with you, much better imo, and this is even before the demo drops! Live 10 looked like it had more fluidity)

**FearlessKaz** · 09-03-2010, 09:55 AM

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No offense dude but I'm still not seeing how Live 10 is the better game here. With all the negativity surrounding Elite, people seem to be forgetting just how frustrating and vanilla Live '10 really was.

I also don't see how Elite can be judged fairly in a comparison until you've gotten a chance to play the game.

Graphics are subjective here so claiming Live '10 is better in this regard is personal preference. I'm one of the few who actually thinks Elite looks better. These recent videos don't seem to be doing the game any justice compared to some of the quick clips and other videos we've seen though, not sure what that's all about.

**ehh** · 09-03-2010, 10:02 AM

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I always appreciate your effort BS, but I think it's a tad early for this sort of thing.

**HoosierDaddy** · 09-03-2010, 10:03 AM

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yeah man, I think you're jumping the gun on this.

**Behindshadows** · 09-03-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

I always appreciate your effort BS, but I think it's a tad early for this sort of thing.

I made this in October last year....

But I'll do the same thing to Elite 11 - since Youtube has moved our time to 15 minutes the videos will be longer.

I'm still buying Elite don't worry, I won't leave my collection incomplete.

I'm a sports gamer, that's what I do...

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23 · 09-03-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by FearlessKaz

No offense dude but I'm still not seeing how Live 10 is the better game here. With all the negativity surrounding Elite, people seem to be forgetting just how frustrating and vanilla Live '10 really was.

I also don't see how Elite can be judged fairly in a comparison until you've gotten a chance to play the game.

Graphics are subjective here so claiming Live '10 is better in this regard is personal preference. I'm one of the few who actually thinks Elite looks better. These recent videos don't seem to be doing the game any justice compared to some of the quick clips and other videos we've seen though, not sure what that's all about.

IMO the graphics were better in Live 10 overall. The game looked like Live 10 to me with dulled out graphics really. I couldnt tell who some guys were at all, but up close you can tell they did some work, but whatever it is... with this game now you cant tell who is who sometimes.

Both games have their strong and weak points for sure.

**BaselineBakes** · 09-03-2010, 12:10 PM

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Shadows I'm with you man, In the long run this new control system could turn out good, I mean there are some things that look good but most of the player movement right now is awkward and just wrong(and these are the devs playing), but my question is the same as yours.

Why re-work a completely working aspect of your game which is the controls and not focus on the parts that do need to be addressed?, even if they did go from a good working control system to a great working control system, they have wasted a complete development cycle not addressing things that really needed work, graphics, AI, etc. etc.

They had a a very good control system to work with and just trashed it to make a new one, ridiculous IMO.

**Jano** · 09-03-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by BaselineBakes

Shadows I'm with you man, In the long run this new control system could turn out good, I mean there are some things that look good but most of the player movement right now is awkward and just wrong(and these are the devs playing), but my question is the same as yours.

Why re-work a completely working aspect of your game which is the controls and not focus on the parts that do need to be addressed?, even if they did go from a good working control system to a great working control system, they have wasted a complete development cycle not addressing things that really needed work, graphics, AI, etc. etc.

They had a a very good control system to work with and just trashed it to make a new one, ridiculous IMO.

I can't agree with the statement about them wasting the whole development cycle. Just because the game took a step back in the looks department doesn't mean the gameplay got worse.

To me a lot of the things they added this year look like major improvements over what was in Live 10. Especially when it comes to on ball D, drawing charges, rebounding, intercepting/deflecting passes, post defense, and plenty of other things too.

I can already tell from the videos how much better some of those things I listed above are. Stealing/deflecting passes was basically broken last year, where as now it actually is reliable option on D.

Off ball defensive animations also have been improved so guys are in better position counter offensive player cuts to the basket. Which was a huge exploit last year. And from my brief time with the game I can say that the on-ball D is definitely a lot better.

And its not like they didn't make any upgrades to the AI either. The Real-AI system seems like it will be a major upgrade over the stuff that was in Live 10. Obviously we won't be able to see how much improved things are from a video but lets play the game first before we start calling it a step back from the previous year.

**ataman5** · 09-03-2010, 01:16 PM

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I don't see how it is better. And it's too too early for a comparison like that.

**BaselineBakes** · 09-03-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jano

To me a lot of the things they added this year look like major improvements over what was in Live 10. Especially when it comes to on ball D, drawing charges, rebounding, intercepting/deflecting passes, post defense, and plenty of other things too.

From the video's that have been posted, these things in bold look to have taken a step back when incorporating the new physics systems, IMO they would have been better suited enhancing there animation library to make instances like charges happen at a more realistic rate, while also adding to the animation library for rebounding, gathers and other things incorporated in the rebounding aspect of the game, over the back fouls, etc

I can't speak on the effectiveness of on-ball D, because your absolutely right I haven't played it yet. Too me the dribbling looks herky jerkey and so does the movement of the defense but that's just me, I won't debate that because it could look completely acceptable to somebody else.

Interceptions/deflections I didn't see much of either from the videos, just a few passes going places that they shouldn't have, but that's another thing we will have to play to see.

Originally posted by Jano

I can already tell from the videos how much better some of those things I listed above are. Stealing/deflecting passes was basically broken last year, where as now it actually is reliable option on D.

Agreed It was terrible last year, I guess I'm taking a wait and see aspect on this.

Originally posted by Jano

Off ball defensive animations also have been improved so guys are in better position counter offensive player cuts to the basket. Which was a huge exploit last year. And from my brief time with the game I can say that the on-ball D is definitely a lot better.

I'll take your word for It. You seem like a level-headed poster with fair impressions and educated opinions.

Originally posted by Jano

And its not like they didn't make any upgrades to the AI either. The Real-AI system seems like it will be a major upgrade over the stuff that was in Live 10. Obviously we won't be able to see how much improved things are from a video but lets play the game first before we start calling it a step back from the previous year.

Let's just hope the one pass and shot is gone lol.

Listen, for me to say they haven't made any improvements was wrong on my part but my problem is that they should be much farther then what we have seen so far and if they would've worked on the details from the beginning instead of starting over and plugging in the things from Live 10 that could be carried over we would be seeing a much more polished Live 10' which is what I personally was hoping to see this year.

I mean I'm a big 2k fan and took along break from that game to appreciate what Live 10 was and I enjoyed it a whole lot accept for a few nagging issues that stopped me from playing it eventually, I thought they were going places. I'm sure the game has positives but them sacrificing how the game looks for how it controls/plays, when it already controlled/played very very well in my mind just doesn't make any sense to me. That's what it comes down to for me personally, and I'm seeing now that this years addition might not be for me and I'm disappointed in their direction.

**FreshPrince22** · 09-03-2010, 01:36 PM

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unrelated...but how do you record your voice when ur capturing the video?

**Jano** · 09-03-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by BaselineBakes

From the video's that have been posted, these things in bold look to have taken a step back when incorporating the new physics systems, IMO they would have been better suited enhancing there animation library to make instances like charges happen at a more realistic rate, while also adding to the animation library for rebounding, gathers and other things incorporated in the rebounding aspect of the game, over the back fouls, etc

I agree with you here I would have like to see the rebounding animations get an upgrade, but the system in Elite is better in that its not as predetermined. Things like timing your jump actually matter and the chances of you losing out on a rebound due to ball warping is gone.

It actually respects the player with the best timing and not ALWAYS the best position which is fairly realistic imo. Because there are times where players can have great position but still lose out on the board because they didn't time their jump correctly.

And on the charge and block system the RTP benefits that area greatly. In Live 10 that system was broken drawing charges happened rarely. And when they did you wouldn't even be able to tell how it happened. The player just flopped on the ground.

In Elite the RTP allows the user to feel the physical presence of the defender so drawing charges feels a lot better and not as canned as last year. This year running full steam ahead into another player actually causes contact. And its not some canned animation its the players actually responding to the contact. So that alone makes the charging system better because that increases the detection for it.

Interceptions/deflections I didn't see much of either from the videos, just a few passes going places that they shouldn't have, but that's another thing we will have to play to see.

This one definitely has been upgraded just check out the vids. I mean it actually WORKS this year lol! Last year a lot of times it wasn't even worth it to go for the passes because 90% of the time it wouldn't benefit your defense anyway.

I'm sure the game has positives but them sacrificing how the game looks for how it controls/plays, when it already controlled/played very very well in my mind just doesn't make any sense to me.

Lastly I can respect your opinion on this because it does seem odd for them to basically throw away a lot of last years work. And all I'm hoping for is a game that is much better to play and less of a frustration.

Last year Live had a lot of bright spots but it was weighed down heavily by a lot of frustrating negatives. Its one thing to have some mechanics that just aren't that great or advanced. But for them to be just plain broken or frustrating to deal is stuff I can't tolerate.

I for one would take a year of fun gameplay that isn't as appealing visually if it leads to a less frustrating game. I know some can't get down with that but that's why I'm happy we have options.

I like the direction EA is going this is the type of basketball game I've been wanting play since I first started playing bball games with NBA 2K. So I'm prepared for the lumps if they can deliver on their goals.

**Behindshadows** · 09-03-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by FreshPrince22

unrelated...but how do you record your voice when ur capturing the video?

USB Sound Mic.

23 · 09-03-2010, 02:17 PM

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Deflected passes wasnt broken last year, it was taken out because people complained about it in Live 09

Just like on ball D was changed in 10 after release because people complained that it was too hard to play defense

See this is what im saying. ALot of things have changed either over the last two years or as a result of something that happened 2 years ago and the comparisons are unfairly leaving that stuff out.

For instance where are the hustleplays? Diving for loose balls? That's all apart of the game.

The charging was removed form Live 09's and the animations set up to stop you from getting in the lane so easily, and no im not talking about a suction animation, just the defender moving in front of you. I saw nothing wrong with that stuff, but it was removed.

Suction and lack of fastbreaks werent lacking in Live 08... it just wasnt an issue, but its being made out to be some new thing as if basketball has never seen it before.

IMO going one extreme or the other wont work fully in either case, its going to take a balance, but we'll see what happens.

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