REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

[lebron6_james]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

lol thats a bunch of PR bs

basically, our game is in a rebuilding mode, we appreciate if you spend the money to buy our subpar game. Presentation is as much gameplay itself.

hard to get a feel when you're just throwing sticks around to get by the defender. you don't need to play to see that.

lol.

imo they could of built on live 10, but ill wait for elite 13 to make a judgment. its a 3yr plan, right?

lol. you're right man. if they say this is a 3yr plan well i'll buy elite 13 coz it will be the "FINAL PRODUCT" not this nhl elite 11. don't get me wrong i like the direction of the ea devs, it just when they say 3 yr plan its sounds their making excuses so that when the other game release and it much better, they will say nah we have 3 yrs plan don't worry fans.

Man its a marketing BS trust me, if they want to compete with other game ea canada should give their best on what they're doing, they have intelligent people, advance engine,etc. make a great game and market it not market the game to be look great.

[lebron6_james]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

You guys don't get it, do you?? None of us are bashing the game becasue we don't have anything else better to do well (well some of us). We're bashing it becasue #1 it's looks bad, #2 We like for them to do better.. for competition at least.

Spot on, man. i dont understand the other member here depending all bad things about elite, its like they life depending on it (its sounds interesting, jobless may be.lol) we only want to play the most sim basketball game. if they equally great, if they both rate 10/10 of all the reviewers then is good for all of us fans & gamers, right? you know who you are so stop whining, we prefer the gameplay not the brand name.

[kingpnp]

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I agree OP. EA and the devs were very upfront about what they were trying to accomplish this year. It's hard to tell how well they accomplished their goals without playing the game.

However now that I see the game it's hard for me to imagine the control feeling so great that I will want to purchase it simply because it doesn't look good to the eye.

and thats understandable. i will say this. there was a basketball game i played 10+ years ago. that was great on gameplay and player movement. HORRIBBLE graphics/animations. But the gameplay/player movement was so good me and a friend of mine convinced the guys that just loved the LOOKS of certain games. to play this game often. now here's the thing. the guys who actually cared to think about real basketball and how its played out but do so in a video game. those guys loved the game more and more. the guys who justed wanted to run fast, jump high/dunk, and shoot 3's didn't take to the game.

like i've always said. the true sim ballers will love this game if it plays how they say its playing. now it still needs tons of work. for sure. but if it plays like they say its going to . then simmers will like it alot and will look the other way when it comes to the LOOK of the game. non simmers/ cheesers, or even casual players that like to run fast, cross over really quick for dunks/3's. those people will not like the control enough to play it over that other game that will most likely "LOOK" better.

i think it will take EA 2 or 3 years if they are allowed to stay with this course. in order to have the LOoks where it needs to be for the casual gamer to get involved with the RTP movement.

[kingpnp]

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You guys don't get it, do you?? None of us are bashing the game becasue we don't have anything else better to do well (well some of us). We're bashing it becasue #1 it's looks bad, #2 We like for them to do better.. for competition at least.

Here it is.

this is what you guys dont get or refuse to admit you get.

its like you're about to go on a blind date with some chick. you ask your friend that has seen her "hey, how does she look?"
he replies "she's not that hot. but she has a heck of a sense of humor, and for some odd reason the chick is sexy, and she's smart. her personality is an A+, her looks are a C-, to some a D. She's crazy fun to hang out with. but you have to go out with her to find out how much fun she is to hang out with. "

then the friend takes out his camera and shoes you a phone pic. you go " ." and start talking about "she's a C- or D in the looks dept. I'm not going out with this chick"

and i'm asking you guys. You must not have been going out with her from the get go. cause your friend TOLD YOU, she was a C- to D in the looks dept. what part of "she's not that hot" didn't you guys hear?
what part of "but, she has an A= personality and she's fun to hang out with" did you not hear?

you have a right to complain about things you were not already warned of would be sacrafices based on the new direction EA took. why cry "GRAPHICS/Animations" when they TOLD us those were the two things that would take the hit? doesn't make sense folks. if you dont like the look. dont buy it. but dont be so pissed where you wont try the demo and let that make you come to a final conclusion.

[coolcras7]

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Here it is.

this is what you guys dont get or refuse to admit you get.

its like you're about to go on a blind date with some chick. you ask your friend that has seen her "hey, how does she look?"
he replies "she's not that hot. but she has a heck of a sense of humor, and for some odd reason the chick is sexy, and she's smart. her personality is an A+, her looks are a C-, to some a D. She's crazy fun to hang out with. but you have to go out with her to find out how much fun she is to hang out with. "

then the friend takes out his camera and shoes you a phone pic. you go " ." and start talking about "she's a C- or D in the looks dept. I'm not going out with this chick"

and i'm asking you guys. You must not have been going out with her from the get go. cause your friend TOLD YOU, she was a C- to D in the looks dept. what part of "she's not that hot" didn't you guys hear?
what part of "but, she has an A= personality and she's fun to hang out with" did you not hear?

you have a right to complain about things you were not already warned of would be sacrafices based on the new direction EA took. why cry "GRAPHICS/Animations" when they TOLD us those were the two things that would take the hit? doesn't make sense folks. if you dont like the look. dont buy it. but dont be so pissed where you wont try the demo and let that make you come to a final conclusion.

what in the world are you talking about if you are not attracted to a person no mater how great their personality is you are not going to marry them and in a sense that is what EA is asking you to do make a commitment to them even if you don't like what you are seeing because deep down they are fun, but anyway what I find funny about this 3 year talk is the fact that people are forgetting that there is another company making a Basketball game, so unless for the next 3 years they do nothing to advance there product EA will still be playing catch up and Mike already stated his opinion on physics.

[Dawgthem]

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and thats understandable. i will say this. there was a basketball game i played 10+ years ago. that was great on gameplay and player movement. HORRIBBLE graphics/animations. But the gameplay/player movement was so good me and a friend of mine convinced the guys that just loved the LOOKS of certain games. to play this game often. now here's the thing. the guys who actually cared to think about real basketball and how its played out but do so in a video game. those guys loved the game more and more. the guys who justed wanted to run fast, jump high/dunk, and shoot 3's didn't take to the game.

like i've always said. the true sim ballers will love this game if it plays how they say its playing. now it still needs tons of work. for sure. but if it plays like they say its going to . then simmers will like it alot and will look the other way when it comes to the LOOK of the game. non simmers/ cheesers, or even casual players that like to run fast, cross over really quick for dunks/3's. those people will not like the control enough to play it over that other game that will most likely "LOOK" better.

i think it will take EA 2 or 3 years if they are allowed to stay with this course. in order to have the LOoks where it needs to be for the casual gamer to get involved with the RTP movement.

You do realize that ten years ago graphics really didn't matter all to much because fo the limits of consoles. Dude its a new generation good graphics are a standard any video games. People expect them to be good. Honestly if Ea would've slapped the unreal engine up there like a lot of cheap single player games had started doing I would've been okay with that.

[coolcras7]

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You do realize that ten years ago graphics really didn't matter all to much because fo the limits of consoles. Dude its a new generation good graphics are a standard any video games. People expect them to be good. Honestly if Ea would've slapped the unreal engine up there like a lot of cheap single player games had started doing I would've been okay with that.

Graphics always mattered it's easy to sit back now and look at old videos and think man that game looked bad but at the time they were cutting edge and we were all hyped about how real the game looked, lol.

[rEAnimator]

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You do realize that ten years ago graphics really didn't matter all to much because fo the limits of consoles. Dude its a new generation good graphics are a standard any video games. People expect them to be good. Honestly if Ea would've slapped the unreal engine up there like a lot of cheap single player games had started doing I would've been okay with that.

Man, this has gotten a little out of control...

The graphics in Elite are actually pretty good. When I was referring to visuals I meant the animations wouldn't look as good as long mocap animations because they are dynamic and driven through physics parameters.

The rendering in Elite is arguably better than Live 10, and absolutely not worse.

[Dawgthem]

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Man, this has gotten a little out of control...

The graphics in Elite are actually pretty good. When I was referring to visuals I meant the animations wouldn't look as good as long mocap animations because they are dynamic and driven through physics parameters.

The rendering in Elite is arguably better than Live 10, and absolutely not worse.

I feel you on that,.. so Reanimtor will they get better? like how can you polish something thats driven by the physics engine?

[kingpnp]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

You do realize that ten years ago graphics really didn't matter all to much because fo the limits of consoles. Dude its a new generation good graphics are a standard any video games. People expect them to be good. Honestly if Ea would've slapped the unreal engine up there like a lot of cheap single player games had started doing I would've been okay with that.

uh you do realize you sound like someone who doesn't know what they are talking about right. we always Cared about graphics. i dont care how bad games looked. we wanted them to look better. thats why they look like they do now. guys that grew up playing Pong are running EA and 2k as we speak.

[Dawgthem]

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Actually i do,..i think your mis interpreting my comment,..i was saying that the graphics on Elite aren't that good and that if they through the unreal engine on it then it would've looked alot better. I know your aware that alot of video games picked up on the unreal engine after it came out because they didn't feel like designing graphic engines of there own and alot of the games ended up looking the same..know what i'm saying

[rEAnimator]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

I feel you on that,.. so Reanimtor will they get better? like how can you polish something thats driven by the physics engine?

It'll get better. You add more contextual animations, more variety to match the physics parameters, and a few other things.

But in isolation, in a video, mocap will always look better because it is exactly like real life.

But it is always exactly the same. So it gets repetitive. And it doesn't respect the physics of the scenario in which it plays.

[phant030]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

It'll get better. You add more contextual animations, more variety to match the physics parameters, and a few other things.

But in isolation, in a video, mocap will always look better because it is exactly like real life.

But it is always exactly the same. So it gets repetitive. And it doesn't respect the physics of the scenario in which it plays.

Ok. So, a lot of complaints about Live 10 were animation variety, total variety, and animation context. If we feel you're really struggling in the 'addition of more animations' department, how do we believe that how will add in the amount of animation necessary to fully flesh this system out? Especially when it was straight mo-cap and you didnt fully add them there? That was the full animation, now you're talking may be a arm flail or something...

[bamalam]

Re: REAL TIME PHSYICS (the Ugly Duckling)

Here it is.

this is what you guys dont get or refuse to admit you get.

its like you're about to go on a blind date with some chick. you ask your friend that has seen her "hey, how does she look?"
he replies "she's not that hot. but she has a heck of a sense of humor, and for some odd reason the chick is sexy, and she's smart. her personality is an A+, her looks are a C-, to some a D. She's crazy fun to hang out with. but you have to go out with her to find out how much fun she is to hang out with. "

then the friend takes out his camera and shoes you a phone pic. you go " ." and start talking about "she's a C- or D in the looks dept. I'm not going out with this chick"

and i'm asking you guys. You must not have been going out with her from the get go. cause your friend TOLD YOU, she was a C- to D in the looks dept. what part of "she's not that hot" didn't you guys hear?
what part of "but, she has an A= personality and she's fun to hang out with" did you not hear?

you have a right to complain about things you were not already warned of would be sacrafices based on the new direction EA took. why cry "GRAPHICS/Animations" when they TOLD us those were the two things that would take the hit? doesn't make sense folks. if you dont like the look. dont buy it. but dont be so pissed where you wont try the demo and let that make you come to a final conclusion.

Hahaha. I'm hearing the dustball voice from th old psp commercial...

" hey dustball, you ever thought about being a cop?...


...so I escaped on my motorcycle with all the uglies screaming 'but I have a great personalityyyyy...' "