In game injuries?

[fatleg3]

Re: In game injuries?

What is not an opinion however is your assertation that injuries don't affect the game on the court. It TOTALLY changes the game on the court. if you have the Lackers, and Kobe goes down, you HAVE to change your play style. You HAVE to make strategic adjustments to the injury. And OTHER games have playable injuries where the injury properly impacts the player's attributes. So, you're absolutely wrong to say injuries don't impact game play.

On the other hand, you put bench reactions over injuries? I thought you were a gameplay guy? You can TOTALLY not draw the bench and the game wouldn't change. So, which is it?

And before you start, I just have to point out that even though I think it's a serious ommission, I'm not as adamant about it as WTF. But I TOTALLY get where he's coming from. Telling him that Feature A > in game injuries is pointless because it pretty obvious he doesn't agree with that position. So trying to convince him that injuries don't impact gameplay, even IF it was correct, is totally besides the point.

Yea i am a gamplay guy. But gameplay to me is the things like movement, control, canned animations and 2p animations and yes i know what those two exactly are. so with that IMO injuries effect how you play, and what you do to win, not game play. ONCE AGAIN IMO. You can tell me im wrong or whatever

I totally get what he is saying about how injuries make you have to stratigize. But with what going on in elite and the things the are trying to make work as far as rtp, in game injuries is not a concern with me for this game. I play live10 and say man i hate those animations where you get stuck doing things. That happens every possession. That is what i want to see worked on, changed, made better, or whatever you want to call it.

After live10 in game injuries just was not a concern for me.

Once again i used the bench as an example as saying a lot of people feel like the animations or not up to par or they took some away so i was just saying i would think that would be more of what people would talk about. Please try and understand fully what i am trying to say. As long as my post be i try not to make them so long but i guess i have to be more specific in what i say.

And i am not trying to convince him of anything. Posters reply and agree with things and the back it up with a explanation. So is it wrong that i reply what a difference of opinion but dont attck them about it and back it up with explanations. I also get where he is coming from. I also want to be able to jump and come down wrong on your foot. That is realistic. Im not simple minded to the fact that i cant see someones point of view. Simply telling someone that i like this feature better is not going to make them feel the same way and i know that. I just have an opinion and reply back to what he says what he says with mines and everyone else does the same thing. And im also not trying to say something is better then in game injuries. Every aspect of the game is important if you want to get it to play and look exactly like real life. But with games there are priorities.

Once again im not attacking him, or telling him that he is wrong, or what im saying is right

[travis72]

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Im not even sure if the EA developers are being honest about this...

I don't think lack of time is an issue...it should be more of a fact that they don't know how to implement in-game injuries to the game.

Lack of capability. ie Inferioirity.

The response we get from the EA guys is poor at best and their low-quality product year after year really reflects its sales.

Live 10 was finally on the right track.
Elite 11 has made the game what it was like in Live 09 (Jerky, robotic movement, etc)
In Live 07, we had freestyle controls that didn't have any success at all.
In Elite 11, it feels like Live 07 again. EA has come up with something that not many ppl didn't really care and once again ignoring their loyal customer's request like this - in-game injuries and 82-game only franchise/season mode.

I think you nailed it. Wasn't the last time in game injuries in a EA basketball title glitched? I can't remember which year but I know a March Madness series had a serious glitch with this. Maybe it was the 08 version. I know if a player got hurt and you saved and quit he would not appear again that year no matter how minor the injury was,he was gone.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Yea i am a gamplay guy. But gameplay to me is the things like movement, control, canned animations and 2p animations and yes i know what those two exactly are. so with that IMO injuries effect how you play, and what you do to win, not game play. ONCE AGAIN IMO. You can tell me im wrong or whatever

I totally get what he is saying about how injuries make you have to stratigize. But with what going on in elite and the things the are trying to make work as far as rtp, in game injuries is not a concern with me for this game. I play live10 and say man i hate those animations where you get stuck doing things. That happens every possession. That is what i want to see worked on, changed, made better, or whatever you want to call it.

After live10 in game injuries just was not a concern for me.

Once again i used the bench as an example as saying a lot of people feel like the animations or not up to par or they took some away so i was just saying i would think that would be more of what people would talk about. Please try and understand fully what i am trying to say. As long as my post be i try not to make them so long but i guess i have to be more specific in what i say.

And i am not trying to convince him of anything. Posters reply and agree with things and the back it up with a explanation. So is it wrong that i reply what a difference of opinion but dont attck them about it and back it up with explanations. I also get where he is coming from. I also want to be able to jump and come down wrong on your foot. That is realistic. Im not simple minded to the fact that i cant see someones point of view. Simply telling someone that i like this feature better is not going to make them feel the same way and i know that. I just have an opinion and reply back to what he says what he says with mines and everyone else does the same thing. And im also not trying to say something is better then in game injuries. Every aspect of the game is important if you want to get it to play and look exactly like real life. But with games there are priorities.

Once again im not attacking him, or telling him that he is wrong, or what im saying is right

I get it now. You're the "casual" gameplay guy through in through. As long as it really looks like hoops, you're cool. If it violates certain rules of the game like physics and strategy, you're ok with that. That's fine. That's more than fine. There are probably more of you than there are of guys like, say, Da_Czar. It's just odd to see guys like you on OS. If EA is aiming for that audience, then that would explain a lot.

[travis72]

Re: In game injuries?

I get it now. You're the "casual" guy through in through. As long as it really looks like hoops, you're cool. That's fine. That's more than fine. There are probably more of you than there are of guys like, say, Da_Czar. It's just odd to see guys like you on OS. If EA is aiming for that audience, then that would explain a lot.

I think EA is going for the online crowd and casual gamer that likes to play exhibition. For the hell of it they thru in Dynamic season last season hoping thatwould satisfy us real basketball fans which it did not do it for me as I like to play several years and build my team up. Oh well I guess at least we have a option unlike football.

[fatleg3]

Re: In game injuries?

I get it now. You're the "casual" gameplay guy through in through. As long as it really looks like hoops, you're cool. If it violates certain rules of the game like physics and strategy, you're ok with that. That's fine. That's more than fine. There are probably more of you than there are of guys like, say, Da_Czar. It's just odd to see guys like you on OS. If EA is aiming for that audience, then that would explain a lot.

I really dont know what a casual gamer is. I have never really categorized myself when it comes to video games but i do play them a lot and have been since like madden 94. I dont know if that makes a difference or not when it comes to categorizing gamers though. I just know i like to play video games

You might be right with the physics part but not on the strategy part. That is my thing when it comes to sports games because thats all i know, love, and watch is sports. The reason i play sports games is to take what teams irl does and use it in a video game to win. Everyone that i know that are gamers knows what time it is when it comes to sports games because i play with strategy. I play to the teams strengths to win. If there is nothing else you can say about me playing video games, one thing is that i play with strategy.

[Boilerbuzz]

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I really dont know what a casual gamer is. I have never really categorized myself when it comes to video games but i do play them a lot.

You might be right with the physics part but not on the strategy part. That is my thing when it comes to sports games because thats all i know, love, and watch is sports. The reason i play sports games is to take what teams irl does and use it in a video game to win. Everyone that i know that are gamers knows what time it is when it comes to sports games because i play with strategy. I play to the teams strengths to win. If there is nothing else you can say about me playing video games, one thing is that i play with strategy.

OK, well then that's the rub. You seem to be OK with the lack of elements that ADD to the strategy, and the inclusion of things that BREAK the strategic element. So, now I'm confused again. Oh well. I'm dense like that.

EDIT: Or maybe it's that you use the strategic elements of the game to be successful? You use the pick and roll, but you don't really care if it works and fails for reasons that are true to real life? Is that it?

[noshun]

Re: In game injuries?

RTP with no ingame injuries is like Bumper Cars with no impact bumping. Cars are just gliding off each other. Just like the players in the vids are just magically pushed back.

Live 96 on the Genesis had:

1. Shortened Seasons of 29,56,82 games.
2. Ingame injuries.
3. Hidden legends.

Now, youre paying more for less. Point blank.

[fatleg3]

Re: In game injuries?

OK, well then that's the rub. You seem to be OK with the lack of elements that ADD to the strategy, and the inclusion of things that BREAK the strategic element. So, now I'm confused again. Oh well. I'm dense like that.

No im not ok with anything that is wrong with the games. Dont take me defending the game for that. There are plenty posts in this forum where i talk about the negitive things in the game. I dont know how to post a link to another forum both in the orl video thread when i talked about what i saw in the videos it was about half and half on good and bad things so im far from satisfied or ok with certain things

But with that said i have said what i dont like and im sure the devs have read it along with most other things on here. I know im going to get elite because i get every boxing, football, and basketball game that comes out so im going to dwell on the things that i will enjoy while playing the game. The things that will make m money worth while because imo it will be dumb if i got the game then talk bad about it/

You may also be right about me using the strategic elements to be successful but i do care weather it works or fails for a reason. But i know i cant change it. Yea we can get on here and voice our displeasure but as you see it is what it is. Its not changed so what else can i do about it besides not get the game.

[mrclutch]

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Nice conversation guys. I scatch my head sometimes when things like injuries are left out because it seems like the developres(that post on here anyway) really seem to get it and know their stuff. I really think they are just under staffed in developers. The real question is why?

I believe I can sum up NBA Live/Elite pretty simply without even using big words. It's simply Chicken or the egg.

Chicken- EA's NBA games have poor sales causing the company not to have the resources to invest every year in develoopment therefore leaving out various feature they would like to have.

Egg- EA's does not invest enough development into it's NBA games leaving out features in order to save budget dollars causing the game to have poor sales when in reality sales would be much higher for a higher level product.

I personally think it's the Egg and I think EA believes it the Chicken.
I really like Live. Always have. I would just love to see what it really could be. I think they have the talent at the top, just not the manpower.

[fatleg3]

Re: In game injuries?

Nice conversation guys. I scatch my head sometimes when things like injuries are left out because it seems like the developres(that post on here anyway) really seem to get it and know their stuff. I really think they are just under staffed in developers. The real question is why?

I believe I can sum up NBA Live/Elite pretty simply without even using big words. It's simply Chicken or the egg.

Chicken- EA's NBA games have poor sales causing the company not to have the resources to invest every year in develoopment therefore leaving out various feature they would like to have.

Egg- EA's does not invest enough development into it's NBA games leaving out features in order to save budget dollars causing the game to have poor sales when in reality sales would be much higher for a higher level product.

I personally think it's the Egg and I think EA believes it the Chicken.
I really like Live. Always have. I would just love to see what it really could be. I think they have the talent at the top, just not the manpower.

Im not the person to say if this is correct but this is a good post

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: In game injuries?

No im not ok with anything that is wrong with the games. Dont take me defending the game for that. There are plenty posts in this forum where i talk about the negitive things in the game. I dont know how to post a link to another forum both in the orl video thread when i talked about what i saw in the videos it was about half and half on good and bad things so im far from satisfied or ok with certain things

But with that said i have said what i dont like and im sure the devs have read it along with most other things on here. I know im going to get elite because i get every boxing, football, and basketball game that comes out so im going to dwell on the things that i will enjoy while playing the game. The things that will make m money worth while because imo it will be dumb if i got the game then talk bad about it/

You may also be right about me using the strategic elements to be successful but i do care weather it works or fails for a reason. But i know i cant change it. Yea we can get on here and voice our displeasure but as you see it is what it is. Its not changed so what else can i do about it besides not get the game.

I'm still confused. If you said you just focused on the positive so that you can enjoy the games for what they do right, why does that only apply to EA titles? Why does that matter? I'm just asking.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Nice conversation guys. I scatch my head sometimes when things like injuries are left out because it seems like the developres(that post on here anyway) really seem to get it and know their stuff. I really think they are just under staffed in developers. The real question is why?

I believe I can sum up NBA Live/Elite pretty simply without even using big words. It's simply Chicken or the egg.

Chicken- EA's NBA games have poor sales causing the company not to have the resources to invest every year in develoopment therefore leaving out various feature they would like to have.

Egg- EA's does not invest enough development into it's NBA games leaving out features in order to save budget dollars causing the game to have poor sales when in reality sales would be much higher for a higher level product.

I personally think it's the Egg and I think EA believes it the Chicken.
I really like Live. Always have. I would just love to see what it really could be. I think they have the talent at the top, just not the manpower.

I don't know. Isn't the Live development team still larger than the 2K dev team. Looking at the credits, that was the case last year. And 2K laid off some folks as well...

You're right in principle though. We will see what happens as time goes on.

[ryan36]

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Again , a little late to this one, but stay on topic guys, without the confrontations...thanks

[Jonesy]

Re: In game injuries?

I guess they figured that by not having the option of shortening the season length most people will have to resort to simulating games which = injuries ie two wrong's making a right.

I'm surprised that they are surprised something as massive as in game injuries matters to a sim oriented sports gaming site. Of course it matters to the vast majority of us.....

[WTF]

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Thanks Jonesy. That's what I thought as well. But of course, we'll get the regular gamer coming to the site, and they're represented as well. It's not that my opinion is right, but I'm looking for a real answer here. It hasn't been in the game for a few years. That's LONG ENOUGH. They even had the limping/hobbled animation in there last year. Wouldn't be "that" hard one would think.