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  • #46
    HealyMonster
    Titans Era has begun.
    • Aug 2002
    • 5992

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    Ive said this a million times in the Madden forum, Ill say it here one last time. EA sports games will continue to decline in interest until they hire people who care about presentation. I mean, I feel like I am in the twilight zone. I am not a game designer, marketing guy, or anything like that, but its simple, lock solid way for ea sports to turn heads.

    Adding an espn banner is pointless if you dont have some type of dynamic commentary, cutscenes,etc.

    Look, NFL 2k5 was a good game. I still play it, but did it really offer that much more in terms of gameplay? In my opinion, video game football is videogame football. Certainly there are better animations and some things I would prefer, but in terms of realistically making comparisons, its not night and day when you look at the gameplay between madden and 2k, it was just different and some people preferred it over madden and vice versa. Its like trying to compare Folgers and Maxwell House. They are both coffee and some like one over the other, its as simple as that.

    What made 2k5 legendary is its presentation. The fact that EA can'ts ee this is disturbing. They continue to try and sell the gamer on all of these other things.

    Its like going back to 4th grade. You have a book report due. You spent a month doing this awesome research project well beyond what a 4th grader should be doing, but your smart and your parents got money so you went all out. you bought this awesome binder, you used top of the line materials such as encyclopedias, you even paid a scientist to come out and proof read your paper. Then you turn it in on notebook paper hand written. You can cry all day to your teacher and say hey this is research beyond what a 4th grader is capable of but at the end of the day, its hard to read because you are still only a 4th grader and your handwriting isn't that good.

    It is what it is man. Its a hand written report in an age where everything is typed. You can have the most awesome "tech" an awesome commentator, a million players saying the game is awesome, but when the user turns the game on, or sees it in action, they are not getting immersed in anything brought to us by EA sports.

    After seeing the videos of Elite, its official that EA has a presentation problem. When you look at any EA sports title and all of the commentary sounds pieced together and rough, its no longer a Madden problem or an elite problem, its a company wide issue. SOmewhere, someone at this company in a position of power is underestimating the power of presentation.

    Throw NBA Today quality presentation into Madden, dont upgrade any game-play elements or anything and see the reaction of the fans. People will lose their marbles over the game. People will forgive these issues that at the current time are unforgivable.

    The same goes for this game. Control over your player is cool and an espn ticker at the bottom is cool, but why did you stop there? Is this a broadcast prssentation or do you want us to feel like we are on the court? There is no middle ground. You have to go all the way one side or another. Trying to do both is causing people to feel bored or confused while playing. Its like we don't have all the crazy cut scenes or overlays because we want people to stay focused on the game and feel like they are in on the action and not worrying about stats. Then on the flip side they have commentary, ESPN overlay,etc its like where are you going with this?

    The bottom line is that EA needs to enter the era of presentation if they want to end this run of mediocrity across all of their games its as simple as that.

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    • #47
      dat swag
      Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 1040

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      Presentation is important but at the end of the day its about game-play...EA's BIGGEST issue is game-play that is representative of what you really see in the NBA or NFL...More attention to detail with presentation is something that is definitely needed but that's only one of EA's many problems

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      • #48
        Bondgirl0072
        Banned
        • Jul 2010
        • 1138

        Re: No Buzz....


        Re: No Buzz....

        Originally posted by RiderGH
        Ive said this a million times in the Madden forum, Ill say it here one last time. EA sports games will continue to decline in interest until they hire people who care about presentation. I mean, I feel like I am in the twilight zone. I am not a game designer, marketing guy, or anything like that, but its simple, lock solid way for ea sports to turn heads.

        Adding an espn banner is pointless if you dont have some type of dynamic commentary, cutscenes,etc.

        Look, NFL 2k5 was a good game. I still play it, but did it really offer that much more in terms of gameplay? In my opinion, video game football is videogame football. Certainly there are better animations and some things I would prefer, but in terms of realistically making comparisons, its not night and day when you look at the gameplay between madden and 2k, it was just different and some people preferred it over madden and vice versa. Its like trying to compare Folgers and Maxwell House. They are both coffee and some like one over the other, its as simple as that.

        What made 2k5 legendary is its presentation. The fact that EA can'ts ee this is disturbing. They continue to try and sell the gamer on all of these other things.

        Its like going back to 4th grade. You have a book report due. You spent a month doing this awesome research project well beyond what a 4th grader should be doing, but your smart and your parents got money so you went all out. you bought this awesome binder, you used top of the line materials such as encyclopedias, you even paid a scientist to come out and proof read your paper. Then you turn it in on notebook paper hand written. You can cry all day to your teacher and say hey this is research beyond what a 4th grader is capable of but at the end of the day, its hard to read because you are still only a 4th grader and your handwriting isn't that good.

        It is what it is man. Its a hand written report in an age where everything is typed. You can have the most awesome "tech" an awesome commentator, a million players saying the game is awesome, but when the user turns the game on, or sees it in action, they are not getting immersed in anything brought to us by EA sports.

        After seeing the videos of Elite, its official that EA has a presentation problem. When you look at any EA sports title and all of the commentary sounds pieced together and rough, its no longer a Madden problem or an elite problem, its a company wide issue. SOmewhere, someone at this company in a position of power is underestimating the power of presentation.

        Throw NBA Today quality presentation into Madden, dont upgrade any game-play elements or anything and see the reaction of the fans. People will lose their marbles over the game. People will forgive these issues that at the current time are unforgivable.

        The same goes for this game. Control over your player is cool and an espn ticker at the bottom is cool, but why did you stop there? Is this a broadcast prssentation or do you want us to feel like we are on the court? There is no middle ground. You have to go all the way one side or another. Trying to do both is causing people to feel bored or confused while playing. Its like we don't have all the crazy cut scenes or overlays because we want people to stay focused on the game and feel like they are in on the action and not worrying about stats. Then on the flip side they have commentary, ESPN overlay,etc its like where are you going with this?

        The bottom line is that EA needs to enter the era of presentation if they want to end this run of mediocrity across all of their games its as simple as that.

        this. I agree.

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        • #49
          inkpimp007
          Rookie
          • Aug 2009
          • 167

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          Originally posted by Behindshadows
          It's the same way they did Live 07 before release - Results ended bad.

          It's the same way they did NCAA Basketball after release - Results ended in cancellation of the series.

          Now here we are with an up and coming strike 3 - of lack of support, marketing, info, demo, etc.

          We might see this 3 cycle fluff, rinse repeat every title. Finally destroy what could have been a promising season. After all the attempts to make a more entertaining and complete basketball sim. Live 10 and NCAA BB 10, were on the complete right track. How did things go wrong, when EA Sports were at their highest to completing that goal?

          Why start another 3 year cycle when you should have been on Year 3 this year, working off where Live 09,10 left off.

          SMH!!! I don't get it.
          So true! Is it me or does anyone else notice what is popping up is info/video of NBA JAM? Thats the last thing Elite needed to do is associate itself with this time of silly game when Elite needs to confirm it's self as a solid sim. They should have never associated the two games.

          Marketing fail!

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          • #50
            oOausarOo
            Banned
            • Oct 2008
            • 822

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            Originally posted by coolcras7
            That is a product of EA releasing so little info, when they released those videos there was an average of a 100 plus people on here most just out curiosity but with all the negative reaction to those it is now a ghost town with only the forever faithful on here consistently
            Yea this is weird, this forum is extremely slow for this time of year. Seems like only a few diehards and gawkers trying to get a view of the train wreck.

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            • #51
              Bondgirl0072
              Banned
              • Jul 2010
              • 1138

              Re: No Buzz....


              Re: No Buzz....

              Originally posted by inkpimp007
              So true! Is it me or does anyone else notice what is popping up is info/video of NBA JAM? Thats the last thing Elite needed to do is associate itself with this time of silly game when Elite needs to confirm it's self as a solid sim. They should have never associated the two games.

              Marketing fail!
              no you are not the only one to notice this.

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              • #52
                DETERMINOLOGY
                Rookie
                • Jul 2010
                • 126

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                Originally posted by oOausarOo
                Yea this is weird, this forum is extremely slow for this time of year. Seems like only a few diehards and gawkers trying to get a view of the train wreck.
                People starting to believe that nba elite 11 is going to be a bad experience plus everyone hyped about the 2k11 demo coming out and even when the elite 11 demo drops people going to play it a few times and go right back into the 2k11 demo

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                • #53
                  VDusen04
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 13014

                  Re: No Buzz....


                  Re: No Buzz....

                  Originally posted by oOausarOo
                  Yea this is weird, this forum is extremely slow for this time of year. Seems like only a few diehards and gawkers trying to get a view of the train wreck.
                  I have to admit, initially I was checking in to this forum to see what Elite was going to offer this year in terms of building upon what appeared to be a solid outing last season. However, now it sort of just has a soap opera feel to it. I want to see what's going to happen next. Will the gameplay continually look smoother with each successive video? Will the rocket dunks truly be removed by release? Will every non-banked made field goal swish through the net? Stay tuned!

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                  • #54
                    DETERMINOLOGY
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 126

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                    Originally posted by VDusen04
                    I have to admit, initially I was checking in to this forum to see what Elite was going to offer this year in terms of building upon what appeared to be a solid outing last season. However, now it sort of just has a soap opera feel to it. I want to see what's going to happen next. Will the gameplay continually look smoother with each successive video? Will the rocket dunks truly be removed by release? Will every non-banked made field goal swish through the net? Stay tuned!
                    Itz still going to have the old stiff animations habits..Thats always been one of nba lives problems

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                    • #55
                      Playmakers
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 15419

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                      I think this game is officially 2nd tier right now

                      I was hyped up for believing they would improve and take the next stup from Live 10. But it just seems other than controls nothing was really touched.

                      I find it hard to believe in year all we get is a controls upgrade.....

                      Now commend sense say's i shouldn't even get the game....but i guess my curiosity and love for EA's basketball will always overshadow my commend sense. Maybe i can hold out until I find the game for cheap after people start trading it in.
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                      • #56
                        JerseySuave4
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 5151

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                        but guys you have to FEEL the game. Oh wait, they arent giving us a chance to feel the game until the week of release basically? Ea is dropping the ball big time.

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                        • #57
                          fatleg3
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 3602

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                          Re: No Buzz....

                          Originally posted by DETERMINOLOGY
                          People starting to believe that nba elite 11 is going to be a bad experience plus everyone hyped about the 2k11 demo coming out and even when the elite 11 demo drops people going to play it a few times and go right back into the 2k11 demo
                          how do you know that if you dont know how good elite will be?

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                          • #58
                            bruhman
                            Rookie
                            • May 2010
                            • 59

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                            so yall gone act like nba elite wont resemble the fast break dunk fest we seen in the videos, theyre changing that much in a couple weeks where it will be a whole new game.The demo will tell all but stop acting like we dont have evidence of the gameplay from numerous videos and builds. Thats why people are clowning the game, and if causes fixes and patches that theyre obviously working on, than everybody should be happy.

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                            • #59
                              elprez98
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 4237

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                              Re: No Buzz....

                              Originally posted by DaWolf
                              Here you can clearly see that they had the buzz in the first weeks of the announcement and came close to 2ks search volume on google - but now it dropped:



                              (Thats a chart which represents the search volume of those words ("nba 2k11", "nba elite 11" in USA)
                              That's nice. I didn't know you could do that on google.
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                              • #60
                                VDusen04
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 13014

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                                Re: No Buzz....

                                Originally posted by bruhman
                                so yall gone act like nba elite wont resemble the fast break dunk fest we seen in the videos, theyre changing that much in a couple weeks where it will be a whole new game.The demo will tell all but stop acting like we dont have evidence of the gameplay from numerous videos and builds. Thats why people are clowning the game, and if causes fixes and patches that theyre obviously working on, than everybody should be happy.
                                I know what you're getting at and by and large I agree, but I didn't really see a "fast break dunk fest" per se. I saw a lot of dunks, and I really saw that Carlos Boozer flush, and maybe a Charlie V. tomahawk topping anything he's done as a Piston to this point, but unfortunately I did not see a ton of fast breaking.

                                As strange as it sounds, even with as many dunks as we've seen, I was sort of hoping to see more of an open floor running game when the opportunity presented itself. I guess we sort of saw that in the initial videos from the festival, but the official releases all seemed mostly "contained" in the running sense.

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