NBA Elite 11 Video: OS Exclusive All-New Hands-On Control: OJ Mayo

[Boilerbuzz]

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I'm sure it will include pointing out improvements by showing where your previous effort was lacking. I don't get why some of you guys are reaching so hard. Is it bashing when you see how ineffective 2K10's plays were vs. 2K11? Or blogs pointing out where things were lacking and how they've been improved? Use of cliches doesn't suddenly make it bashing.

I agree with what you're saying. The only caveat however is that it SEEMS EA dogging elements of Live 10 that many felt were its strength. The fact that controls was a focus, when most felt that controls was the best out there, speaks to that.

[Tha_Kid]

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it was me and I've also carefuly documented some stuff earlier in this thread about verticals and player models that I hope the devs take note if.

Right, right. My mistake. But good thread, you should add the Jamal Crawford picture to it, as it is the most glaring example yet. The Boozer dunk made them take a hard look at dunk distances, but they need to drop all around verticals as well, instead of leaving us to do it only to get wiped by the next DNA update.

[jtdribbles25]

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spot on, the same offense and defense in each vid... i don't wanna see 30 teams that ALL play the same

we probably can be sure that the ratings/tendencies haven't been touched. It'll be you guys editing it to make it more in tune with our expectations.

[Boilerbuzz]

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I've never seen a MOD so against a game lol

Back up dude. 23 has ALWAYS been a honest and vocal dude. He'll tell you how he feels regardless of the game. It's not about being a mod.

[23]

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OK Dre. I don't get why you're coming at me so hard when we're pretty much in agreement about the things you're touching on.

I look through the thread and see a red flag on a post and a banned under a username. Didn't insinuate any further, or assume to have some sort of insight.

FWIW i did the global edits that you/tomba/playermakers did, so I guess I did touch the ratings. Obviously you went in depth and found things that corrected issues. I never questioned that, rather i appreciated it.

Look man, that dude knows exactly why he was banned. Seeing the red card is only there as a reason to mark banned users for Millineum

As far as the discussion on the issues im pointing out because truthfully its a huge exercise in frustration.

It shouldnt even be in this years game that guys are magically getting back on defense again.. the rating editing was painstaking effort and honestly I dont trust EA to rectify them since its never been done before.. im just being honest

[tomzenns]

the only way for people to stop talking trash about this game is to give a demo.

[coolcras7]

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the only way for people to stop talking trash about this game is to give a demo.

No the only way to stop people from talking as you said "trash" is to make a better game and stop giving us 1 minute clips when the game comes out in 3 weeks, plus it would be nice if they told us when the demo was coming out, if there is a date already set what is the point of keeping it a secret.

[Tha_Kid]

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I agree with what you're saying. The only caveat however is that it SEEMS EA dogging elements of Live 10 that many felt were its strength. The fact that controls was a focus, when most felt that controls was the best out there, speaks to that.

I thought they dogged what control elements deserved dogging (the suction animations) while presenting the 1-to-1 as better. I mean I agree with you (why defend marketing videos), but I found the whole "shooting was based on luck" much more inflammatory than anything else about controls.

Even then, I think total control is just a marketing way of saying "more choices". They just broke things down an extra level. I also spent most of last year on Live 10 because of how great the general controls were.

From the very first announcement about Elite, EA showed they had an internal goal and method to attempt to achieve it (focus on Elite's controls & physics). Gamers didn't ask for it, nor did we get most of what we did ask for. EA should expect the requisite backlash for that.

[23]

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I think its a bad idea to put the devs under that kind of a situation.

Who goes from full gameplay to 1 minute clips? Thats like backwards marketing, especially when it wasnt even extra ordinary.

Im not trying to rock the boat but good lord whats really going on man?

Im not of the its Live 07 again and theyre going to die group but dude this stuff is just weird to the average viewer.

[Saviour]

The problem that I have with these Elite videos is that the developers seem bent on showing you highlights. Can they show me some simulation style basketball and stop harping on highlights in each video. I know they had to release videos after that Boozer video was released, but even when they try to slow the game down all the players do is cross over, around the back, stutter step, etc. It gets old real fast just watching, and I am not playing the game yet.

[Tha_Kid]

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As far as the discussion on the issues im pointing out because truthfully its a huge exercise in frustration.

It shouldnt even be in this years game that guys are magically getting back on defense again.. the rating editing was painstaking effort and honestly I dont trust EA to rectify them since its never been done before.. im just being honest

That's fair. They (Elite Team) have yet to acknowledge the effectiveness of last year's ratings edits, so that's not only frustrating but doesn't induce trust to look at them when addressing the issue.

[Boilerbuzz]

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I thought they dogged what control elements deserved dogging (the suction animations) while presenting the 1-to-1 as better. I mean I agree with you (why defend marketing videos), but I found the whole "shooting was based on luck" much more inflammatory than anything else about controls.

Oh yeah. We totally agree. But they dogged elements of control that you mention, but changed things that didn't need to be changed to address those issues. So, in essence, what was good in Live 10 got pissed on. At least what *I* felt was good.

Even then, I think total control is just a marketing way of saying "more choices". They just broke things down an extra level. I also spent most of last year on Live 10 because of how great the general controls were.

I can see that. But it remains to be seen how much more choices we really have. Note that the discussion, in part, is based on folks feeling as if they're seeing the same stuff over and over again.

From the very first announcement about Elite, EA showed they had an internal goal and method to attempt to achieve it (focus on Elite's controls & physics). Gamers didn't ask for it, nor did we get most of what we did ask for. EA should expect the requisite backlash for that.

And THAT is a huge, huge reason why the backlash is so strong. People not only feel as if their issues were ignored, but that the things they liked were ignored by being "revamped". It's a slap and a backslap in the face to some.

[yungflo]

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I agree with what you're saying. The only caveat however is that it SEEMS EA dogging elements of Live 10 that many felt were its strength. The fact that controls was a focus, when most felt that controls was the best out there, speaks to that.

I agree, the controls could have waited. Out of all areas, they wanted to start with control? That could have waited til next yr, and improve on live 10's GP, even with rtp. Nothing needed a total overhaul.

Maybe graphics, but that's it.

You'll see when they admit this all in elite 12 when they don't appease the metacritic rate of 90 they so desperately want instead of listening to the gamers.

Just like 07's travesty.

OS is not a small community, We are sims nation, we are a microcosm of what sim/casual gamers want, go look at that wishlist, its long. To say people are bashing(because of negative constructive criticism) is ridiculous, that wishlist and complaints indicates passion for sim bball.

[Boilerbuzz]

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The problem that I have with these Elite videos is that the developers seem bent on showing you highlights. Can they show me some simulation style basketball and stop harping on highlights in each video. I know they had to release videos after that Boozer video was released, but even when they try to slow the game down all the players do is cross over, around the back, stutter step, etc. It gets old real fast just watching, and I am not playing the game yet.

So you're saying you just want to see this basketball game just play some basic basketball... I feel you there. But that what I felt the gameplay footage was doing and that's why I was hoping for more than a 1 minute clip of 5 seconds of actions.

[TreyIM2]

Actually, didn't EA harp on the controls, last year, along with those damn 5 million pairs of sneakers avail in the game? Ha. Again, I will admit, the controls is what helped me not purchase the other game, last year, but to speak in this clip, err body pretty much got it right - Crazy ups and recovery speed.

rEAnimator - PLEASE get EA to focus on momentum (along with animations) next year. That first block attempt where dude comes running over then jumps to the moon, lands with NO momentum carry over and turns with ease to be able to recover and make another block attempt is upsetting to a bruva. Heh. Crawford's momentum should have had more of an affect in taking him out of the play with that kind of running leap.