NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

[Phixius]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

Although I skipped out on a basketball game last year, I thought Live 10 was their best effort from EA. I claimed that If EA stuck with building off Live 10, they could of reach the level of success from their NHL series. For no good reason, there was yet another change. All of those quotes in the NBA Elite trailers, I've never heard any of those complaints towards Live.

The second David Littman was hired as lead designer, this was going to be a disaster. Littman made this more evident with his quote about the half court shooting being more skilled. EA was heading in the right direction when they had Mike Wang on board, someone that knew basketball and know how to interpret into a game. Yeah, when the previous games weren't up to par and the other game is light years ahead of course Live wasn't going to sell well but it was a start. I like to quote LeBron James "Rome wasn't built in a day" Live 10 set the foundation of what's to come and EA demolished it before the game had a chance to grow.

Now, EA is backtracking off their failed experiment and throwing this on Tiburon. They have their own problems with the Madden series and now they throw NBA Elite in the mix.

[sroz39]

I liked Live 10

I made a couple of hefty mix videos plus did that massive tweak project by myself. I dont think you were around here alot when Live 10 dropped...especialy pre patch

This is mostly true, I was more lurker than poster when Live 10 dropped. Played a ton of 2K10 but the more I played that game, the more the warts began to bother me. As the season went on, I played more and more Live 10. Still do now. The player control is light years ahead of even 2K11. Where I think Live 11 would have improved the most is some of those 2 person collision animations. In fact, if they were so hell bent on implementing the RPT system, this area of Live should have had the overhaul first and then brought into other aspects of gameplay in subsequent years. Not all at once.

[Phixius]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

Where I think Live 11 would have improved the most is some of those 2 person collision animations. In fact, if they were so hell bent on implementing the RPT system, this area of Live should have had the overhaul first and then brought into other aspects of gameplay in subsequent years. Not all at once.

That's another reason why Elite failed, the developers tried to do everything at once. RTP is the only reason I had a interest in Elite but was barely noticeable in the demo.

[atlwarya]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

NBA Live 10 is not all that if you think about it. The dynasty mode is unplayable. And the fact they made the dna shooting ratings based off shooting percentages screwed the game too. A player could go two for two for the whole season in threes and shoot lights out in the game. And there was morphing. The ai needed tweakig too

[CX1329]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

So, does this mean yet another reboot and yet another change of direction? Ugh. If this really does happen, I'll be waiting for them to scrap everything that was planned for Elite 11 and give us the "3 year plan" talk once again. I can't even begin to understand what EA's executives are trying to accomplish.

[atlwarya]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

EAT may use a whole different process. They might treat nba live/elite like they do madden. They are not really known for scrapping gameplay. If they put something good in the game they go with it and add other things to it here and there. We probably wont see too many 3 yr plans by them. Madden is stale now but its playable.

[dragon4thQ]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

garreth reeder has confirmed he has moved on to FIFA via twitter.

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To all my followers: I'm now on FIFA. Still love my hoops though about 7 hours ago via Echofon

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: 1UP: NBA Elite given to Tiburon, EA Canada mass layoffs

I'm stunned if this is true. Getting rid of Visual Concepts worked out great for EA too, didn't it.....

I cant blame them for getting rid of Visual Concepts. Madden got worse when they took over and I didnt think NFL 2k was any good until 2k3.

[Bondgirl0072]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

This does not sound good at all. Is EA's NBA move to Tiburon a good or a bad thing guys?

[sroz39]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

This does not sound good at all. Is EA's NBA move to Tiburon a good or a bad thing guys?

That depends. Tiburon is so hit and miss. They FINALLY made an NCAA football this year that is comparable to their best efforts on last gen, the last 2 Tiger Woods games have been pretty good and their MMA title is praised for it's gameplay. Madden, on the other hand, has yet to approach what they did with the series on the PS2 and Xbox.

But the issue isn't whether or not Tiburon can make a good basketball game. The issue is the timing. We are closer to the end of this console generation than the beginning so to send the game off to another studio, who will either have to learn what EA Canada were trying to do with Elite 11 very quickly or scrap it entirely and start from scratch, doesn't seem like a winning strategy. IMO, it would only have been fair to allow EA Canada to see this through and THEN if the game is still lacking, it'd be justifiable to move the game. At this point, Tiburon is in a very compromised position to make this game competitive by the end of this console generation, let alone next year.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

I don't think we are close to the end of this generation of console gaming. I really think that this generation will last 3-4 years longer than in the past. Costs and losses were so high early on I just don't see a big push for a new console. Maybe Nintendo since the Wii is so weak but I don't see a new MS or Sony console any time soon. Tiburon has plenty of time to fix the game for this generation.

[Hova57]

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I think that the physics software must be in universal use right now. So moving NBA franchise is looking to be difficult to swallow , but may end up being good for the game. We will have to see at least they get two years to develop for this game.

[Hova57]

Re: NBA Elite Being Moved to Tiburon, EA Canada Hit by Layoffs (Not Confirmed Yet)

I don't think we are close to the end of this generation of console gaming. I really think that this generation will last 3-4 years longer than in the past. Costs and losses were so high early on I just don't see a big push for a new console. Maybe Nintendo since the Wii is so weak but I don't see a new MS or Sony console any time soon. Tiburon has plenty of time to fix the game for this generation.

I agree anyone calling for new consoles to fix the current issues are shortsighted. So getting a new console in theory should fix current issues, but new ones arise. Yea that make sense. MS and Sony put alot of money into these systems and are going to get there money worth. Plus at this point what new innovation could they add more memory maybe gpu , but that's costly ask sony.

[sroz39]

I agree anyone calling for new consoles to fix the current issues are shortsighted. So getting a new console in theory should fix current issues, but new ones arise. Yea that make sense. MS and Sony put alot of money into these systems and are going to get there money worth. Plus at this point what new innovation could they add more memory maybe gpu , but that's costly ask sony.

I wasn't calling for a new console, simply stating we're closer to seeing one than not. That's based on past history. PS1 to PS2 was 5 years (it was 4 years from PS1 to Dreamcast), PS2 to PS3 was 6 years (again, less time if you look at PS2 to 360, which was 5 years and even LESS time if you look at Xbox to 360, which was 4 years). From the outset, I had a feeling that this console generation was going to be longer than any before, mainly because of what rudy mentioned above, which were the huge losses MS and Sony incurred at the start of this generation.

My point was, we're not THAT far from new consoles so this wasn't the best move for yet another reset, especially when you didn't give the last studio a chance to see the latest reset all the way through.

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[rudyjuly2]

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I agree anyone calling for new consoles to fix the current issues are shortsighted. So getting a new console in theory should fix current issues, but new ones arise. Yea that make sense. MS and Sony put alot of money into these systems and are going to get there money worth. Plus at this point what new innovation could they add more memory maybe gpu , but that's costly ask sony.

I think most of the limitations for the games out there are 95% related to programming. Graphics are obviously new systems but if they can't get controls, animations or AI correct on these systems, they certainly won't get any better just by introducing more horsepower on a new system.