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  • vic20
    Rookie
    • Jul 2002
    • 318

    #91
    Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

    I am on the fence at this point.

    On one hand I love all the 10-man animation stuff because of the movement it creates- on the other hand it is already starting to feel a bit "canned". For example- I know when I see the double team animation start that, unless a pass is made, the ball will be knocked free in exactly 4 sec. And it looks the same every single time. It looks good, but the same. And I would say 50% of the time when the ball is knocked free neither of the defenders go for the ball. I have seen balls just rolling on the floor while the computer controlled stand about looking.

    And on one hand the A.I. is very well done. CPU plays a tough game- but on the other hand the game flow suffers from minor but frequent slowdown. And the fact that getting a fast break going can be tough because often the players do stop to catch the pass. And is it me or are the CPU players able to get down court and back on defense a lot faster than Human controlled players? Anyway it can just feel jerky and uneven.

    Then again the sound is amazing. The commentary and sound affects and music and crowd are just top notch. It adds a lot to gamne, makes it feel alive- and again on the other hand the graphics are less than I expected and does not come near the tapping visual power of the Xbox.


    Like I said I am on the fence. I am having fun with it but not "crazy monkey super fun". It is a very good game, but the little issues that keep it from being a great game are so obvious that it is a bit frustrating.

    I am going to play it right up until ESPN is released. If I am having fun with Live it stays, otherwise....

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    • SoMiss2000
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2002
      • 20499

      #92
      Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      ... Sounds to me like a lot of people here are liking it because they don't really have another choice. Not all of you, but definitely most

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Seems like most of us here are buying ESPN next week also.
      "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
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      • SoMiss2000
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 20499

        #93
        Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        ... Sounds to me like a lot of people here are liking it because they don't really have another choice. Not all of you, but definitely most

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Seems like most of us here are buying ESPN next week also.
        "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
        Check out www.sliderset.net



        Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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        • SoMiss2000
          Hall Of Fame
          • Oct 2002
          • 20499

          #94
          Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          ... Sounds to me like a lot of people here are liking it because they don't really have another choice. Not all of you, but definitely most

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Seems like most of us here are buying ESPN next week also.
          "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
          Check out www.sliderset.net



          Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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          • Whaaaazuuuuup
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 3620

            #95
            Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            samjjones said:
            What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...
            I am glad I got the Buell- I love riding it, I love the oddball looks I get on the road- I love people asking "What IS that thing?" I love flying into a corner WAY too hot, scared spitless and sure I'll never hold it at this speed- and hearing the bike whisper "Sissy!"...

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            • Whaaaazuuuuup
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 3620

              #96
              Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              samjjones said:
              What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...
              I am glad I got the Buell- I love riding it, I love the oddball looks I get on the road- I love people asking "What IS that thing?" I love flying into a corner WAY too hot, scared spitless and sure I'll never hold it at this speed- and hearing the bike whisper "Sissy!"...

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              • Whaaaazuuuuup
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 3620

                #97
                Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                samjjones said:
                What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...
                I am glad I got the Buell- I love riding it, I love the oddball looks I get on the road- I love people asking "What IS that thing?" I love flying into a corner WAY too hot, scared spitless and sure I'll never hold it at this speed- and hearing the bike whisper "Sissy!"...

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                • Klocker
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 3239

                  #98
                  Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Whaaaazuuuuup said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  samjjones said:
                  What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  I've already decided against 2k4 because of the lack of off the ball movement (from what I've seen in the vids ) but I really want to give ID 2004 a try but am afraid that I will forever be spoiled by this 10 man movement.

                  It just looks and feels so real.

                  Looking at the ID 2004 vids again I see these guys "posting up" who are just standing there straight up and staring.

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                  • Klocker
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 3239

                    #99
                    Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Whaaaazuuuuup said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    samjjones said:
                    What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    I've already decided against 2k4 because of the lack of off the ball movement (from what I've seen in the vids ) but I really want to give ID 2004 a try but am afraid that I will forever be spoiled by this 10 man movement.

                    It just looks and feels so real.

                    Looking at the ID 2004 vids again I see these guys "posting up" who are just standing there straight up and staring.

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                    • Klocker
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3239

                      #100
                      Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Whaaaazuuuuup said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      samjjones said:
                      What's interesting is...I just took a look at the ESPN Basketball forum. Already, people there are complaining about the complete lack of defense, arcade like elements, and bad passing of a game that has not even been released yet. And many of the people making those comments have been vociferous in their proclamation that Live 2004 is "garbage". Some people truly will never be happy.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      i've noticed that as well. looking at the video of LIVE2004 prior to it's release, i knew what to expect. so when i got it, it was even better...

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      I've already decided against 2k4 because of the lack of off the ball movement (from what I've seen in the vids ) but I really want to give ID 2004 a try but am afraid that I will forever be spoiled by this 10 man movement.

                      It just looks and feels so real.

                      Looking at the ID 2004 vids again I see these guys "posting up" who are just standing there straight up and staring.

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                      • bad1550

                        #101
                        Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                        Just returned Xbox version. Good game if not for the slowdown and choppy framerate issues.

                        I will give the others a try!

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                        • bad1550

                          #102
                          Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                          Just returned Xbox version. Good game if not for the slowdown and choppy framerate issues.

                          I will give the others a try!

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                          • bad1550

                            #103
                            Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                            Just returned Xbox version. Good game if not for the slowdown and choppy framerate issues.

                            I will give the others a try!

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                            • BlueDevilsFan
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 443

                              #104
                              Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                              I'm with Bredrin - this game stays in my library forever. The AI and gameplay is so deep it's scary - exactly what I always wanted in a hoops title. I haven't even touched Dynasty mode yet and it's already a classic.

                              Return it? NO WAY.

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                              • BlueDevilsFan
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 443

                                #105
                                Re: So, who\'s returning the game?

                                I'm with Bredrin - this game stays in my library forever. The AI and gameplay is so deep it's scary - exactly what I always wanted in a hoops title. I haven't even touched Dynasty mode yet and it's already a classic.

                                Return it? NO WAY.

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