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  • ATrillionaire
    Pro
    • Aug 2003
    • 839

    #1

    JUST PLAYED LIVE

    my god, this game is nothing like 2003, everything has changed. I think EA really worked hard to make this game a great sim and it's damn close. I'm not going to say what I like about the game cause I like just about everything, but I'll post what I really, really hate:


    1. The Ballhandler dribbling with his back to the basket...why is this automatic, sometimes it good, but most of the time is not, they need to get rid of this so that people can be in control of their player more.

    2. Collision dectection is great...if someone hits you, you'll definitely know it. The problem is, I get busted in the head for to often without a whistle being blown. EA shouldn't make an animation if it doesn't mean anything.

    3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up.

    4. Everytime you throw the ball down court your man jumps to get it, consequently slowing him down and allowing the defender to catch up..I hated the bobbling catch in NBA2k3, this jump catch in Live essentially does the same thing.

    5. Passing out of a shot is very unresponsive. 5 out of 10 times that I tried passing out of a shot I'd end up shooting a brick.

    6. There definitely is a framerate problem


    lovely game though...man, I doubled Doug Christie with Baron Davis and I see Peja running to the corner, waving his hands like crazy, Christie sees him, passes it and Peja bust the three, I loved that. and the post game is really something special...HOWEVER...people say pro hop is to powerful, I disagree, that damn drop step is too powerful.. If I post up and press triangle for the drop step, 99% of the time I'm either at the freethrow line or I'm throwing it home. LIVE is no longer an arcade game in my eyes, and I played it straight out the cough"box"cough
  • SoMiss2000
    Hall Of Fame
    • Oct 2002
    • 20499

    #2
    Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

    Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!
    "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
    Check out www.sliderset.net



    Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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    • SoMiss2000
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2002
      • 20499

      #3
      Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

      Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!
      "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
      Check out www.sliderset.net



      Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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      • SoMiss2000
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 20499

        #4
        Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

        Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!
        "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
        Check out www.sliderset.net



        Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #5
          Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          SoMiss2000 said:
          Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          Yup, he's right. I WILL agree with your passing out the shot is unresponsive point though! Seems like the game sometimes doesn't register the "pass" and thinks you just let go of the shoot button.
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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #6
            Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            SoMiss2000 said:
            Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Yup, he's right. I WILL agree with your passing out the shot is unresponsive point though! Seems like the game sometimes doesn't register the "pass" and thinks you just let go of the shoot button.
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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #7
              Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              SoMiss2000 said:
              Being that you played it str8 out of the box, let me inform you that a couple of your issues, like your players getting mugged and effectiveness of pro hop can be fixed with the sliders. Glad you like it!

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              Yup, he's right. I WILL agree with your passing out the shot is unresponsive point though! Seems like the game sometimes doesn't register the "pass" and thinks you just let go of the shoot button.
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              • NoleFan
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2002
                • 12856

                #8
                Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

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                ATrillionaire said:
                LIVE is no longer an arcade game in my eyes, and I played it straight out the cough"box"cough

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                That's the same way I play it. No arcade stuff here.
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                • NoleFan
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 12856

                  #9
                  Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  ATrillionaire said:
                  LIVE is no longer an arcade game in my eyes, and I played it straight out the cough"box"cough

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  That's the same way I play it. No arcade stuff here.
                  F-L-O-R-I-D-A! S-T-A-T-E! Florida State! Florida State! Florida State! Wooooo!

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                  • NoleFan
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 12856

                    #10
                    Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    ATrillionaire said:
                    LIVE is no longer an arcade game in my eyes, and I played it straight out the cough"box"cough

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    That's the same way I play it. No arcade stuff here.
                    F-L-O-R-I-D-A! S-T-A-T-E! Florida State! Florida State! Florida State! Wooooo!

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                    • Graphik
                      Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 10582

                      #11
                      Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                      Another ESPNer giving Live some props. Its just nice to see but I believe that phrase thats been tossed around so often in the ESPN forum is in order "give the game more time".

                      Ok....

                      1. The Ballhandler dribbling with his back to the basket...why is this automatic, sometimes it good, but most of the time is not, they need to get rid of this so that people can be in control of their player more.

                      I agree it can be a pest but with the right adjusting of sliders you can have your man face the basket in the appropriate situations BUT, if you start to go inside the 3 point line, what do you expect him to do if someone is guarding you so closely? I understand it can be a gripe but if you watch a real game, the ball handler while dribbling has his back to the rim 90% of the time if a guy is gaurding him closely and in Lives case, a guy is guarding you closely 90% of the time.


                      . Collision dectection is great...if someone hits you, you'll definitely know it. The problem is, I get busted in the head for to often without a whistle being blown. EA shouldn't make an animation if it doesn't mean anything.

                      There are foul sliders for charges, if you adjust you can get the call, but I actually enjoy the no-calls, it happens just as much as it does in real life. You even hear the player say "hey ref, what you swallowed your whistle" (or something like that)

                      3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up

                      I actually like those animations. Their just tryna simulate what happens after a person dunks or lays a shot up, his momentum drags him behind the basket and almost out of bounds. And for the most part, after a dunk or layup, he's out of the play for a few seconds. It'll be unrealistic for you to attempt a dunk and grab your own miss afterwards by just jumping again as soon as you land. And I've never seen a player miss a dunk and then celebrate. Maybe it happens but I have'nt seen it.


                      4. Everytime you throw the ball down court your man jumps to get it, consequently slowing him down and allowing the defender to catch up..I hated the bobbling catch in NBA2k3, this jump catch in Live essentially does the same thing.


                      The jumping after a long range pass does'nt bother me but the turning around to catch a pass does. Its like EA forgot to add a catching in stride animation. But the jumping from a long pass really only happens when you have a poor passer passing the ball. ie: your PF or C making an outlet pass after a rebound which is probably when you see that animation the most.


                      5. Passing out of a shot is very unresponsive. 5 out of 10 times that I tried passing out of a shot I'd end up shooting a brick.

                      I have'nt seen that ethier but one thing you did'nt mention is that its hella ugly when they do. You make a pass behind you at rocket speed without looking, flawless to whomever. Very ugly but I dont do it to often, ethier you commit to a shot or you dont.


                      6. There definitely is a framerate problem


                      One that I have'nt noticed. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who did'nt get a copy with slowdown. Lucky me.


                      But thanks for your impressions. I find it remarkable that ppl are actually giving this game a shot despite last years whatever you wanna call it. But this series has taken a major facelift for the better and I sure wish ppl get the old "arcadish" Live out of thier memory banks and realize that EA must of went to a few bball games last season. 2004 is simply one amazing efford by EA.

                      I give EA the "MOST IMPROVE GAME AWARD"
                      http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                      • Graphik
                        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 10582

                        #12
                        Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                        Another ESPNer giving Live some props. Its just nice to see but I believe that phrase thats been tossed around so often in the ESPN forum is in order "give the game more time".

                        Ok....

                        1. The Ballhandler dribbling with his back to the basket...why is this automatic, sometimes it good, but most of the time is not, they need to get rid of this so that people can be in control of their player more.

                        I agree it can be a pest but with the right adjusting of sliders you can have your man face the basket in the appropriate situations BUT, if you start to go inside the 3 point line, what do you expect him to do if someone is guarding you so closely? I understand it can be a gripe but if you watch a real game, the ball handler while dribbling has his back to the rim 90% of the time if a guy is gaurding him closely and in Lives case, a guy is guarding you closely 90% of the time.


                        . Collision dectection is great...if someone hits you, you'll definitely know it. The problem is, I get busted in the head for to often without a whistle being blown. EA shouldn't make an animation if it doesn't mean anything.

                        There are foul sliders for charges, if you adjust you can get the call, but I actually enjoy the no-calls, it happens just as much as it does in real life. You even hear the player say "hey ref, what you swallowed your whistle" (or something like that)

                        3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up

                        I actually like those animations. Their just tryna simulate what happens after a person dunks or lays a shot up, his momentum drags him behind the basket and almost out of bounds. And for the most part, after a dunk or layup, he's out of the play for a few seconds. It'll be unrealistic for you to attempt a dunk and grab your own miss afterwards by just jumping again as soon as you land. And I've never seen a player miss a dunk and then celebrate. Maybe it happens but I have'nt seen it.


                        4. Everytime you throw the ball down court your man jumps to get it, consequently slowing him down and allowing the defender to catch up..I hated the bobbling catch in NBA2k3, this jump catch in Live essentially does the same thing.


                        The jumping after a long range pass does'nt bother me but the turning around to catch a pass does. Its like EA forgot to add a catching in stride animation. But the jumping from a long pass really only happens when you have a poor passer passing the ball. ie: your PF or C making an outlet pass after a rebound which is probably when you see that animation the most.


                        5. Passing out of a shot is very unresponsive. 5 out of 10 times that I tried passing out of a shot I'd end up shooting a brick.

                        I have'nt seen that ethier but one thing you did'nt mention is that its hella ugly when they do. You make a pass behind you at rocket speed without looking, flawless to whomever. Very ugly but I dont do it to often, ethier you commit to a shot or you dont.


                        6. There definitely is a framerate problem


                        One that I have'nt noticed. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who did'nt get a copy with slowdown. Lucky me.


                        But thanks for your impressions. I find it remarkable that ppl are actually giving this game a shot despite last years whatever you wanna call it. But this series has taken a major facelift for the better and I sure wish ppl get the old "arcadish" Live out of thier memory banks and realize that EA must of went to a few bball games last season. 2004 is simply one amazing efford by EA.

                        I give EA the "MOST IMPROVE GAME AWARD"
                        http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                        • Graphik
                          Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 10582

                          #13
                          Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                          Another ESPNer giving Live some props. Its just nice to see but I believe that phrase thats been tossed around so often in the ESPN forum is in order "give the game more time".

                          Ok....

                          1. The Ballhandler dribbling with his back to the basket...why is this automatic, sometimes it good, but most of the time is not, they need to get rid of this so that people can be in control of their player more.

                          I agree it can be a pest but with the right adjusting of sliders you can have your man face the basket in the appropriate situations BUT, if you start to go inside the 3 point line, what do you expect him to do if someone is guarding you so closely? I understand it can be a gripe but if you watch a real game, the ball handler while dribbling has his back to the rim 90% of the time if a guy is gaurding him closely and in Lives case, a guy is guarding you closely 90% of the time.


                          . Collision dectection is great...if someone hits you, you'll definitely know it. The problem is, I get busted in the head for to often without a whistle being blown. EA shouldn't make an animation if it doesn't mean anything.

                          There are foul sliders for charges, if you adjust you can get the call, but I actually enjoy the no-calls, it happens just as much as it does in real life. You even hear the player say "hey ref, what you swallowed your whistle" (or something like that)

                          3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up

                          I actually like those animations. Their just tryna simulate what happens after a person dunks or lays a shot up, his momentum drags him behind the basket and almost out of bounds. And for the most part, after a dunk or layup, he's out of the play for a few seconds. It'll be unrealistic for you to attempt a dunk and grab your own miss afterwards by just jumping again as soon as you land. And I've never seen a player miss a dunk and then celebrate. Maybe it happens but I have'nt seen it.


                          4. Everytime you throw the ball down court your man jumps to get it, consequently slowing him down and allowing the defender to catch up..I hated the bobbling catch in NBA2k3, this jump catch in Live essentially does the same thing.


                          The jumping after a long range pass does'nt bother me but the turning around to catch a pass does. Its like EA forgot to add a catching in stride animation. But the jumping from a long pass really only happens when you have a poor passer passing the ball. ie: your PF or C making an outlet pass after a rebound which is probably when you see that animation the most.


                          5. Passing out of a shot is very unresponsive. 5 out of 10 times that I tried passing out of a shot I'd end up shooting a brick.

                          I have'nt seen that ethier but one thing you did'nt mention is that its hella ugly when they do. You make a pass behind you at rocket speed without looking, flawless to whomever. Very ugly but I dont do it to often, ethier you commit to a shot or you dont.


                          6. There definitely is a framerate problem


                          One that I have'nt noticed. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who did'nt get a copy with slowdown. Lucky me.


                          But thanks for your impressions. I find it remarkable that ppl are actually giving this game a shot despite last years whatever you wanna call it. But this series has taken a major facelift for the better and I sure wish ppl get the old "arcadish" Live out of thier memory banks and realize that EA must of went to a few bball games last season. 2004 is simply one amazing efford by EA.

                          I give EA the "MOST IMPROVE GAME AWARD"
                          http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                          • tenth
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 1109

                            #14
                            Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Graphik said:
                            3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up

                            I actually like those animations. Their just tryna simulate what happens after a person dunks or lays a shot up, his momentum drags him behind the basket and almost out of bounds. And for the most part, after a dunk or layup, he's out of the play for a few seconds. It'll be unrealistic for you to attempt a dunk and grab your own miss afterwards by just jumping again as soon as you land. And I've never seen a player miss a dunk and then celebrate. Maybe it happens but I have'nt seen it.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                            On a full-out fast break is one thing, but when you're just laying it in from in close without a running start there's no reason for the player to be incapable to go in for his own rebound. This "feature" is frustrating as hell and has cost me a couple games down the stretch.

                            Coming from the same situation as Trillionair, I personally agree with him on most accounts, although I have yet to notice slowdown or even the fast break glitch. After 2k3 last year, I guess it wasn't a big deal for me, lol.

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                            • tenth
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 1109

                              #15
                              Re: JUST PLAYED LIVE

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Graphik said:
                              3. CAN'T STAND the stupid pauses and animations players have after they shoot the ball........c'mon, your player goes for a tip-in dunk, misses the rock completely and he's dancing and celebrating like he just made the shot, meanwhile the ball is next to his foot waiting for someone else to pick up

                              I actually like those animations. Their just tryna simulate what happens after a person dunks or lays a shot up, his momentum drags him behind the basket and almost out of bounds. And for the most part, after a dunk or layup, he's out of the play for a few seconds. It'll be unrealistic for you to attempt a dunk and grab your own miss afterwards by just jumping again as soon as you land. And I've never seen a player miss a dunk and then celebrate. Maybe it happens but I have'nt seen it.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                              On a full-out fast break is one thing, but when you're just laying it in from in close without a running start there's no reason for the player to be incapable to go in for his own rebound. This "feature" is frustrating as hell and has cost me a couple games down the stretch.

                              Coming from the same situation as Trillionair, I personally agree with him on most accounts, although I have yet to notice slowdown or even the fast break glitch. After 2k3 last year, I guess it wasn't a big deal for me, lol.

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