Possible Late game AI bug

**Pared** · 11-20-2003, 11:47 PM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

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djagilhoid said:
Any games that doesn't have a mid-range game for the cpu should not even be rated an 80! The mid-range game is such a HUGE part of the game and it is non-existent in Live.

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**Court_vision** · 11-21-2003, 03:08 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

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Pared said:
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djagilhoid said:
Any games that doesn't have a mid-range game for the cpu should not even be rated an 80! The mid-range game is such a HUGE part of the game and it is non-existent in Live.

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Pared, I think he's got a fair point.

Using your sliders...and...team plays etc...

I am seeing mid range J's...but nowhere close to reality.

I think it's too do with the actual plays themselves.

Ie, Ricjard Hamilton and Reggie should be going around screens and coming off picks to take mid range J's...but the animations / plays are basically those guys back peddling to the 3 point line.

So...if they get the ball just as they arrive at the 3 pt line, they take the long 2.

If they get the ball after they arrive...they take the 3.

It's the plays they need updating...real screens etc are what leads to mid range shots in the NBA.

It is sweeeeeeeeet when it occurs in LIVE 04 and looks great...be even sweeter if it was more often

**Court_vision** · 11-21-2003, 03:08 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

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Pared said:
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djagilhoid said:
Any games that doesn't have a mid-range game for the cpu should not even be rated an 80! The mid-range game is such a HUGE part of the game and it is non-existent in Live.

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Pared, I think he's got a fair point.

Using your sliders...and...team plays etc...

I am seeing mid range J's...but nowhere close to reality.

I think it's too do with the actual plays themselves.

Ie, Ricjard Hamilton and Reggie should be going around screens and coming off picks to take mid range J's...but the animations / plays are basically those guys back peddling to the 3 point line.

So...if they get the ball just as they arrive at the 3 pt line, they take the long 2.

If they get the ball after they arrive...they take the 3.

It's the plays they need updating...real screens etc are what leads to mid range shots in the NBA.

It is sweeeeeeeeet when it occurs in LIVE 04 and looks great...be even sweeter if it was more often

**Court_vision** · 11-21-2003, 03:08 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

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Pared said:
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djagilhoid said:
Any games that doesn't have a mid-range game for the cpu should not even be rated an 80! The mid-range game is such a HUGE part of the game and it is non-existent in Live.

<hr /></blockquote>

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Pared, I think he's got a fair point.

Using your sliders...and...team plays etc...

I am seeing mid range J's...but nowhere close to reality.

I think it's too do with the actual plays themselves.

Ie, Ricjard Hamilton and Reggie should be going around screens and coming off picks to take mid range J's...but the animations / plays are basically those guys back peddling to the 3 point line.

So...if they get the ball just as they arrive at the 3 pt line, they take the long 2.

If they get the ball after they arrive...they take the 3.

It's the plays they need updating...real screens etc are what leads to mid range shots in the NBA.

It is sweeeeeeeeet when it occurs in LIVE 04 and looks great...be even sweeter if it was more often

**Admiral50** · 11-21-2003, 03:34 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

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aholbert32 said:
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Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

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Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

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Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

**Admiral50** · 11-21-2003, 03:34 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

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aholbert32 said:
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Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

<hr /></blockquote>

Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

<hr /></blockquote>

Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

**Admiral50** · 11-21-2003, 03:34 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

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aholbert32 said:
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Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

<hr /></blockquote>

Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

<hr /></blockquote>

Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

**aholbert32** · 11-21-2003, 07:43 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Admiral50 said:
Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
aholbert32 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

<hr /></blockquote>

Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

<hr /></blockquote>

Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

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Why are you taking this personal. I never said that you couldnt disagree. I just stated that I wish that we didnt have to give scores because people like you focus on them. Instead of saying "The review should have mentioned this bug" you said "There is no way a game with this many bugs should get a 93". This shows you focused on the score. I enjoy the comments and invite anyone to comment on this or any of my reviews whether they agree or not.

Also I stand by my score. At the time I didnt know about the late game bug or some of the other bugs but with that I still only see my score going down 1 or 2 points maybe. I still greatly enjoy the game

**aholbert32** · 11-21-2003, 07:43 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

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Admiral50 said:
Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
aholbert32 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

<hr /></blockquote>

Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

<hr /></blockquote>

Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

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Why are you taking this personal. I never said that you couldnt disagree. I just stated that I wish that we didnt have to give scores because people like you focus on them. Instead of saying "The review should have mentioned this bug" you said "There is no way a game with this many bugs should get a 93". This shows you focused on the score. I enjoy the comments and invite anyone to comment on this or any of my reviews whether they agree or not.

Also I stand by my score. At the time I didnt know about the late game bug or some of the other bugs but with that I still only see my score going down 1 or 2 points maybe. I still greatly enjoy the game

**aholbert32** · 11-21-2003, 07:43 AM

Re: Possible Late game AI bug

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Admiral50 said:
Tonight in yet another close game (my 5th or so in a row... seems the game wants close games whether I am leading or trailing)
Anyway it was the against the Rockets and they were down 2 with about 15 seconds to play. Francis took the ball up the half court and passed to Piatkowski who just sat in the triple threat position until the clock ran out.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
aholbert32 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Admiral50 said:
Shoot from the backcourt?
I played this afternoon (my first close game, hehe!) and I was up 2 with 30 seconds left. Denver inbounded and Miller dribbled up to the three point line and shot a normal, quick three. Is this the problem? Did you want him to go for a quick two and then foul?
Or is it only when the seconds are 3 or so left?

I guess I haven't played it enough yet. But there are bugs yeah. Shaq lost 200 pounds during half time today

I agree, there's no way this game (or any similar buggy game) ever deserves a '90' or 'A' rating.

<hr /></blockquote>

Its not a problem if the CPU ghets the ball with more than 7 seconds left. Its a problem when there is 3 seconds left, the CPU will shoot the ball immediately after inbounding the ball. The funny thing is I had a similar situation last night against the CPU and it dribbled the ball with Kidd and took a two pointer with 1 second left, so it seems the bug is kind of sporadic.

On another point, People seem to focus WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much on the score of the review. Sometimes I wish we didnt have to give out scores at the end of reviews but we have to in order to have are review on Gamerankings.com.

<hr /></blockquote>

Then why was it given a score WAYYYYYYYYYY to high? A '90' or 'A' quality game shouldnt have important bugs and even slowdown.
Also, if you didn't expect there to be some readers who disagree and say so, then maybe you shouldn't be posting a public reviews. You're having your personal say with the review and we are having ours with comments in reply to the review. Is there any need to constantly go back and forth like a tennis match?

<hr /></blockquote>

Why are you taking this personal. I never said that you couldnt disagree. I just stated that I wish that we didnt have to give scores because people like you focus on them. Instead of saying "The review should have mentioned this bug" you said "There is no way a game with this many bugs should get a 93". This shows you focused on the score. I enjoy the comments and invite anyone to comment on this or any of my reviews whether they agree or not.

Also I stand by my score. At the time I didnt know about the late game bug or some of the other bugs but with that I still only see my score going down 1 or 2 points maybe. I still greatly enjoy the game

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