NBA Live 13 a $20 Digital Release This October?

[23]

You're being a little ridiculous now, 23. C'mon.

They've offered a product. If it sucks, it sucks and you don't buy it. It's no different than when Sony offered something and you guys wouldn't support it.

But you're saying you want a product to support and then you contradict yourself saying they didn't do enough to win your support.

So they fold up shop next year and then you will complain there is no competition.

In what way does this logic work?

I understand guys being pissed; But they didn't offer the title in its state at $60 because they KNOW it's not worth $60. Some don't think it is worth $20. Ok, but again... I point back to my first argument and that is you can't expect competition to stick around and "compete" if you don't help invest.

And I'm not saying you should spend money on terrible games. I'm simply pointing out that it can't get better if you're not willing to try it. It's the same problem that we had when Live '10 had the worst sales of any Live game in the past 3/4 releases despite being the best title they had put out.

No I'm not ridiculous here. This series took about 5 steps backwards and freaking ignored everything everybody ever asked for including you even though you told them face to face now they want to charge and claim its for the exact same input

Not only are they continually lying but they've managed to screw up their series and making you pay for it

Live 10 only sold bad because the series sucked for too many years and lost alot of fans. It probably reviewed the best they've had this gen.... they're too freaking unstable to be competition, changing teams and changing companies and changing strategies far too often to do anything productive

I haven't decided on this game yet though and havent said anything because I don't know if it looks like that video but I won't be an early adoptor because if that's what it looks like its not worth 20 bucks to me.......they could've upgraded live 10 and sold that instead of putting out a game more inferior to something made in 2009

Yes I want competition but that doesn't mean I'm shelling out a decade worth of money because somebody can't get their crap together
I'm a customer and indonstill like quality stuff...its not my fault don't look my way



Prove me wrong ...please do, im askijg for it and I'll buy but don't try to lie and then throw flaming doo doo on me and expect me to say thanks

Smh

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[Boilerbuzz]

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But you're saying you want a product to support and then you contradict yourself saying they didn't do enough to win your support.

So they fold up shop next year and then you will complain there is no competition.

In what way does this logic work?

I understand guys being pissed; But they didn't offer the title in its state at $60 because they KNOW it's not worth $60. Some don't think it is worth $20. Ok, but again... I point back to my first argument and that is you can't expect competition to stick around and "compete" if you don't help invest.

DING!!! Exactly right. This was my point with NHL 2K. The consumer let that title down. It went through EXACTLY what Live is going through now. But they at least shipped a competent title in those years and people abandoned it as it tried to reinvent itself. Of COURSE EA's title was better. It's codebase was stable and the team was stable. Realizing that the hockey market is TINY, it's understandable what happened; but the attitude around it wasn't as forgiving as it could have been. Sad. I feel the NHL gameplay has stagnated big time since NHL 2K went away. But this is the wrong forum to go further than that. I was just noting the parallel.

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: NBA Live 13 a $20 Digital Release This October?

Going forward I don't know that EA will be able to compete with 2K. EA will need to put together a phenomenal game and be outright with what the game entails. What Live had going for it was namesake, but how much water does that Live name hold anymore? Unless 2k has a huge debacle they're in position to dominate the genre for a very long time. Not sure EA will continue throwing money at a wall.

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The market just MAY be big enough to support an EA title as long as you have enough folks there wanting a "change of pace" or are just the dreaded "fanboy". Again, we'll see.

[23]

DING!!! Exactly right. This was my point with NHL 2K. The consumer let that title down. It went through EXACTLY what Live is going through now. But they at least shipped a competent title in those years and people abandoned it as it tried to reinvent itself. Of COURSE EA's title was better. It's codebase was stable and the team was stable. Realizing that the hockey market is TINY, it's understandable what happened; but the attitude around it wasn't as forgiving as it could have been. Sad. I feel the NHL gameplay has stagnated big time since NHL 2K went away. But this is the wrong forum to go further than that. I was just noting the parallel.

Totally different situation man



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[King_B_Mack]

Re: NBA Live 13 a $20 Digital Release This October?

You're being a little ridiculous now, 23. C'mon.

They've offered a product. If it sucks, it sucks and you don't buy it. It's no different than when Sony offered something and you guys wouldn't support it.

But you're saying you want a product to support and then you contradict yourself saying they didn't do enough to win your support.

So they fold up shop next year and then you will complain there is no competition.

In what way does this logic work?

I understand guys being pissed; But they didn't offer the title in its state at $60 because they KNOW it's not worth $60. Some don't think it is worth $20. Ok, but again... I point back to my first argument and that is you can't expect competition to stick around and "compete" if you don't help invest.

And I'm not saying you should spend money on terrible games. I'm simply pointing out that it can't get better if you're not willing to try it. It's the same problem that we had when Live '10 had the worst sales of any Live game in the past 3/4 releases despite being the best title they had put out.

What are you talking about Pared? How is anybody contradicting themselves about wanting competition? That line right there suggests that you're telling people to buy crap games because it keeps the competition going. **** that. Everybody in here is still willing to try this game, since it's been brought to my attention that there is a trial on Arcade games before you buy it, I'll play it, but I'm not giving EA money just to support the basketball games market for them to continue shoveling **** in my lap. We're basically going on eight years running of building for next year and we still haven't gotten that great title from these guys. Switching up your expectations for a quality title to fit they're garbage is the problem right now. Three years on the sideline and this is where we are with the same damn building a game right now for two years from now line they've been feeding us the whole generation and instead of holding their feet to the fire about it we're right back to the 'well it's better than nothing' posts. Come on Pared you know this ain't right.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Live 13 a $20 Digital Release This October?

No I'm not ridiculous here. This series took about 5 steps backwards and freaking ignored everything everybody ever asked for including you even though you told them face to face now they want to charge and claim its for the exact same input

Not only are they continually lying but they've managed to screw up their series and making you pay for it

Live 10 only sold bad because the series sucked for too many years and lost alot of fans. It probably reviewed the best they've had this gen.... they're too freaking unstable to be competition, changing teams and changing companies and changing strategies far too often to do anything productive

I haven't decided on this game yet though and havent said anything because I don't know if it looks like that video but I won't be an early adoptor because if that's what it looks like its not worth 20 bucks to me.......they could've upgraded live 10 and sold that instead of putting out a game more inferior to something made in 2009

Yes I want competition but that doesn't mean I'm shelling out a decade worth of money because somebody can't get their crap together
I'm a customer and indonstill like quality stuff...its not my fault don't look my way

Prove me wrong ...please do, im askijg for it and I'll buy but don't try to lie and then throw flaming doo doo on me and expect me to say thanks

Smh

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What are you talking about Pared? How is anybody contradicting themselves about wanting competition? That line right there suggests that you're telling people to buy crap games because it keeps the competition going. **** that. Everybody in here is still willing to try this game, since it's been brought to my attention that there is a trial on Arcade games before you buy it, I'll play it, but I'm not giving EA money just to support the basketball games market for them to continue shoveling **** in my lap. We're basically going on eight years running of building for next year and we still haven't gotten that great title from these guys. Switching up your expectations for a quality title to fit they're garbage is the problem right now. Three years on the sideline and this is where we are with the same damn building a game right now for two years from now line they've been feeding us the whole generation and instead of holding their feet to the fire about it we're right back to the 'well it's better than nothing' posts. Come on Pared you know this ain't right.

You're reading what you want to read from my statements, not what I'm saying.

We're not on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm simply saying stop begging EA to put out something then complain and run and when this is their something.

It's the same thing I've said on Madden for years - stop spending your time and effort on a title until they're ready to listen to the fans... but don't cry when the title is no longer profitable because people aren't buying it.

They keep making missteps... but when they're gone because you want to spend your time and energy clowning them.... don't reminisce about the good old days of competition.

[fluent2332]

Re: NBA Live 13 A $20 Digital Release this October?

Let's be honest here - do you think that the original plan was to ship a game with only $20 worth of content in it? I'm betting they got to a point and had to scrap many features to ship in time. That's unfinished. Now, if you can convince anybody that this is the future of the franchise (as a $20 download franchise), then we can call it finished.

Who knows what their plan was? Until they come out and announce something it's all just speculation. But who knows, maybe it was their plan all along to release a $20 game, just like 2K did back in 2004 with their titles. Maybe they think that is the best approach to take to try and get back into the market. Who knows. You're saying they may have had to scrap features, but we just don't know. Why assume the worst?

So, after 15 years of Live you weren't tired of it. After 3 years of 2K you're tired of it. Let's not even mention the game has continued to grow and made changes where warranted. It's not that you don't defend it SOMETIMES. It's that all you can do is defend Live and any POSSIBLE issues in it are completely ignored. It just seems that come hell or high water, you're going to be "happy" with Live - sight unseen. You don't see a problem with that? Anyway. There's no point in continuing the discussion with you. You're set on your position and it really doesn't matter. It's your opinion and your dollar.

15 years of Live? I played Live from Live 95 to Live 2002, and then 2K from 2K3 to 2K9, then Live 10 and NBA 2K11/2K12. After playing 2K11 and 12, I am definitely tired of it already. I played the hell out of those games. I'm ready for something new. 2K's engine to me leaves a lot of control to be desired. Yes they are good games, and yes 2K13 will be great, but at the same time Live can provide something that 2K does not to me, and THAT'S what I'm excited about.

Of course I'm going to defend Live when the attacks against it are ignorant IMO. The issues I so-called "ignored", were issues that didn't really matter to me much to begin with. I don't care if the players slide a little bit on the court. Who gives a crap as long as the controls are tight and responsive? It just doesn't matter to me. The other issues I so-called "ignored" I addressed in the other thread, and that discussion is done and over with. I said the pre-alpha footage was rough around the edges, but it wasn't terrible to me. Quite the opposite. Yet you seem to see me doing something different because you're projecting some sort of image on to me.

And yes, I am sure I will be happy with Live no matter what, barring some crazy turn of events where EA decides to use stick figures as players and replace the basketball with a ping pong ball. I know it's just crazy to you that someone believes a company like EA will deliver a solid product without even seeing the product first. There's nothing wrong with knowing that or having faith in a company that they are going to deliver. I am confident EA is going to deliver. Hell, even if the pre-alpha footage was what the game was going to be, I'm 100% positive I could still play that build and have a lot of fun with the game. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. They won me over when they announced there would be a Live 13.

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[23]

You're reading what you want to read from my statements, not what I'm saying.

We're not on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm simply saying stop begging EA to put out something then complain and run and when this is their something.

It's the same thing I've said on Madden for years - stop spending your time and effort on a title until they're ready to listen to the fans... but don't cry when the title is no longer profitable because people aren't buying it.

They keep making missteps... but when they're gone because you want to spend your time and energy clowning them.... don't reminisce about the good old days of competition.

Come on man..my stance hasn't changed I want better

I said lets talk if you want but again shoveling junk at me is not the answer

I'm not begging them to put out a game as much as show your hand and stop lying which they have been

To this day we haven't gotten a single official thing from them except PR statements about pre alphas and rumors

My stance has not changed

It doesn't even need to be better than 2k...I never beat that drum ever but just like any other ea basketball game, if I'm going to let
It collect dust after a week its not worth the price

You guys can go ahead and do this in the name of competition....I'll let you spend your dough and see if its worth it since ea wont

[Alfro0925]

I think they dropped the ball and just watched as it rolled down the hill like little kids who aren't allowed to leave the yard. The fact that this will be a 20 dollar download to get feedback for a future title makes me sick.

They took all this time to disappoint the fans yet again. I feel like they could've started this process by releasing elite and took the criticism and got feedback from that instead of canceling, holding out, bringing in a new team to play with it for two years and now re-releasing it with nothing different besides the 100's of hours spent on player faces. That was arguably the dumbest thing you could mention in an interview for a game that gets so much heat as it is.

You have got to be kidding me EA, come on man. The only difference from the leaked footage and the NBA elite gameplay was I didn't see Bynum in the middle of the court. There's no point in purchasing a game that they don't feel is worthy of $60 especially when it's a money hungry company like EA biting their tongue.

I'll be sure to watch the YouTube videos though before I decide if I'm gonna buy. This better have that be a pro mode and whatever else elite was gonna have since it's basically the same game just re-rebranded. Im expecting some form of team up like Adidas live run too before I even consider buying the Microsoft points card, cause I'll be damned if I buy the game that got cancelled some years ago and now gets released after being stripped down to bare bones quickplay matches

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Responses in bold.

What attacks against Live are ignorant or is that just hyperbole on your part?

[fluent2332]

Re: NBA Live 13 A $20 Digital Release this October?

What attacks against Live are ignorant or is that just hyperbole on your part?

It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I do think there is some level of ignorance involved when you view a confirmed PRE-ALPHA footage (or early build, or NOT. FINISHED. GAME., whatever) and say something like "OMG THIS SUX NO WAY IS EA GETTING MY MONEY LOLZ LOOZERS". You're basing your entire opinion on footage that wasn't even meant to be shown. It's old and does not represent the final build of the game in any way, shape or form. Yet you're not going to buy a video game based on THAT? That's just crazy to me. Stupid really. At least wait until you see a recent build of the game before basing your entire purchase on it. But whatever. I'm not going to call people out and this and that. I'm basically defending Live because I felt like it. Nothing more and nothing less.

Now I'm sure Boilerbuzz is going to come back at me and say I'm being ignorant because I supposedly ignored all issues of the pre-alpha footage and shrugged them off, even though I didn't.

[noshun]

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It's old and does not represent the final build of the game in any way, shape or form

While that might be true, much of the animations arent going to change. Look at my post here:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2044047704

You'll see what I mean.

[JohnDoe8865]

Re: NBA Live 13 A $20 Digital Release this October?

I wouldn't be shocked if NBA Live 13 is released at $20 as a 'Games On Demand' game on Xbox 360 to avoid having to release a demo through XBLA.

[riggs6taters]

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[Culture Rot]

Re: NBA Live 13 a $20 Digital Release This October?

ESPN NFL 2k5 - 19.99$
NBA Live 13 - 19.99$

Something isn't right here.