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  • Boilerbuzz
    D* B**rs!
    • Jul 2002
    • 5154

    #16
    Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

    Originally posted by kingeo19
    Just wondering if anybody can touch on what happens usually in situations like Wangs with EA. I thought companies as big as Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc...owned the technology, ideas, and patents developed by their employees.
    How was Wang able to hold on to his intellectual property (game engine) after leaving EA? This is not a common occurrence.
    He's not. The guy is talking out of his ***. Considering the Live 10 engine was in place LONG before Wang got there, I see no legal basis for that claim. He's not a programmer. He's a designer. The ideas CAN be his. But that's no excuse to not use an engine you've developed years before he got there. And I think people exaggerate the situation because it's a good story.

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    • kingeo19
      Rookie
      • Nov 2005
      • 62

      #17
      Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

      Originally posted by fluent2332
      And one guy does not make a game, a team of people do. TEAM. Multiple people.
      Originally posted by 2kfanatic
      He has ideas, he does not own a game engine. You can't patent basketball so the difference of the engines is the implementation of basketball. Different engines will implement different ideas differently and its limitation will dictate how bad or good the implementation of a certain idea is.
      Seems like one guy had a big impact in assisting a sinking franchise to develop a product that people on these boards are still yearning for.

      How many simulation basketball products have they released since this one guy left EA Sports?

      How many rebuilds, reboots, firings, re-shufflings, personnel changes has EA had with the LIVE/ELITE title after one guys departure?

      What has happened to the TEAM that remained after one guy left (because he didn't like the direction EA Sports was taking)? Are those TEAM members still with EA? Are they working on the current LIVE title?

      Have they made any significant revenue on a simulation basketball title since this one guy left?

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      • Boilerbuzz
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        • Jul 2002
        • 5154

        #18
        Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

        Originally posted by fluent2332
        And one guy does not make a game, a team of people do. TEAM. Multiple people.
        Oh Lord. I AGREE 100% with this. What in the WORLD is going on!?

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        • Boilerbuzz
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          • Jul 2002
          • 5154

          #19
          Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

          Originally posted by mlp111
          it was revealed that live 10 engine was scrapped after mike wang left because he still had rights to the engine as its leading creator, so ea scrapped the entire engine and started over with the elite engine, in which was already there focus or goal to make a RTP engine, i forgot what article i read that stated that, but i know you can hear some of the same info here:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcnyv6SyDjY
          No one would not have any rights to an engine that was put together BEFORE he got to EA. This is all nonsense people! The ENGINEERS would have something to say about that as well.

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          • 2kfanatic
            Rookie
            • Dec 2008
            • 437

            #20
            Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

            Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
            Would you buy 2K TODAY if it was just a roster update and 1 new mode and some cleanup in Association?

            Not criticizing you one way or another, but the expectations between the 2 titles is out of balance.
            OHH I get it.. Yeah but I don't look at live as a competition anymore, its more like a VIDEOGAME and not a simulation to me. I know its not an excuse thought but it is what it is.

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            • mlp111
              MVP
              • Jul 2010
              • 1291

              #21
              Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

              Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
              No one would not have any rights to an engine that was put together BEFORE he got to EA. This is all nonsense people! The ENGINEERS would have something to say about that as well.
              the engine wasnt put together before he got there, so i doubt if its nonsense, makes sense to me, at the end of the day, we will never know, so pretty much pointless debate

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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #22
                I don't know about literally not being able to use the engine Mike help build, but I can see why they wouldn't...

                How many of our a favorite shows/ movies have been ruined b/c some new director couldn't properly capture the original directors vision?

                This is probably 10x true for gaming..

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                • 2kfanatic
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 437

                  #23
                  Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                  Originally posted by kingeo19
                  Seems like one guy had a big impact in assisting a sinking franchise to develop a product that people on these boards are still yearning for.

                  How many simulation basketball products have they released since this one guy left EA Sports?

                  How many rebuilds, reboots, firings, re-shufflings, personnel changes has EA had with the LIVE/ELITE title after one guys departure?

                  What has happened to the TEAM that remained after one guy left (because he didn't like the direction EA Sports was taking)? Are those TEAM members still with EA? Are they working on the current LIVE title?

                  Have they made any significant revenue on a simulation basketball title since this one guy left?
                  Their choice of direction placed them in whatever situation they are in and not because 1 guy left. Your giving too much blame/credit to 1 guy when its really not that simple.

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                  • Boilerbuzz
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5154

                    #24
                    Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                    Originally posted by 2kfanatic
                    OHH I get it.. Yeah but I don't look at live as a competition anymore, its more like a VIDEOGAME and not a simulation to me. I know its not an excuse thought but it is what it is.
                    Fair enough.

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                    • 2kfanatic
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 437

                      #25
                      Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                      Originally posted by mlp111
                      the engine wasnt put together before he got there, so i doubt if its nonsense, makes sense to me, at the end of the day, we will never know, so pretty much pointless debate
                      You can't put together a basketball simulation engine in a year unless you have some kind of foundation you can tweak. So yeah its not all him, his impact is more about the direction / ideas and not his "engine".

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                      • Boilerbuzz
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5154

                        #26
                        Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                        Originally posted by mlp111
                        the engine wasnt put together before he got there, so i doubt if its nonsense, makes sense to me, at the end of the day, we will never know, so pretty much pointless debate
                        ??? Do you know what an "engine" is? What was Live 09 built on?

                        Do you know that no company in the industry (let alone one of the smartest companies in the industry) would NEVER just hand over rights to an engine to ONE individual. You're ready to believe absolute nonsense.

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                        • DonWuan
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1756

                          #27
                          Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                          " I know people" that had me lmao.

                          You people are gullible.

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                          • Boilerbuzz
                            D* B**rs!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5154

                            #28
                            Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                            Originally posted by DonWuan
                            " I know people" that had me lmao.

                            You people are gullible.
                            THANK YOU! The Mike Wang zealots are ready to believe he's discovered the cure for cancer...

                            But, wait! I know people that know Mike Wang and they said he has INDEED discovered the cure for the common cold! EVERYONE REJOICE! The savior has struck again! Look out cancer!



                            If you listen to the dude, he makes Wang sound like a money grubbing, power hungry douchebag. Doesn't jive with my perception of the dude as a man that just loves the game and wants to bring it to life in a video game..

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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24451

                              #29
                              Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                              Originally posted by 2kfanatic
                              Their choice of direction placed them in whatever situation they are in and not because 1 guy left. Your giving too much blame/credit to 1 guy when its really not that simple.
                              You're right and wrong. I don't want to by any means take away from what other guys do on these video games because they're contributions are amazing and they deserve to be recognized, but to try to pass Mike Wang off as just some guy who's replaceable is a crock of ****. Not saying you did that, but fluent (surprise, surprise) is trying to do that and it's not the right way to go. For about the last ten years now every GREAT basketball title that's come around has one thing in common and that's Mike Wang. What Mike has done for video game basketball going back to even Inside Drive is undeniable, that kind of talent IS indeed irreplaceable. You can try to be PC all you want to come off as unbiased about this topic, but facts are facts and if somebody can't see those facts because they're trying to be "fair" and PC about a team effort then they need to stop talking about the subject because they aren't helping it. Like I said, much respect to all the devs out there for what they do because they are all talented guys and they all do help bring the sport we love to consoles but there are some guys in pretty much every walk of life more valuable than the rest and Mike Wang is one of those guys.

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                              • chandlerbang
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 612

                                #30
                                Re: Why doesn't EA just build off NBA LIVE 10? THEY CAN'T.

                                Originally posted by fluent2332
                                And one guy does not make a game, a team of people do. TEAM. Multiple people.
                                ever heard of the word "rights"??? One man can have the rights but a team will make the game. Its been like this for years

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