OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

[TheHypeMachine6]

2K has released a next gen trailer and it was longer than EA's.

EA has only showed us a pre-rendered teaser and then an in game rendered teaser with just Kyrie Irving dribbling. So, neither company has shown us much.

Before making statements please review the material available.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADfjrh12L38

If this is the trailer your talking about it's pre alpha PS4 and IMO it looks current gen to me, pre rendered or not next gen should look better than this right?

[TheHypeMachine6]

Lol!!! ....2K don't need to show nothing, they record speaks for it's self. They are the reason live don't exist anymore and couldn't compete on current gen. You sound crazy
That's why EA bought the license to the NFL, anyone with common sense know that 2k don't have to prove anything, they're not the one on trial

I beg to differ, 2K Sports does have something to prove, it's next gen consoles, clean slate for both EA & 2K so statements like couldn't compete on current gen mean very little. And having the licensing of the NBA, NFL, FIFA, NHL is just plain smart on EA's part giving them access to real tv broadcast presentation, instead of allowing a rap artist to smear his brand all over an NBA game, thats real authentic.

[donp1981]

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Lol!!! ....2K don't need to show nothing, they record speaks for it's self. They are the reason live don't exist anymore and couldn't compete on current gen. You sound crazy
That's why EA bought the license to the NFL, anyone with common sense know that 2k don't have to prove anything, they're not the one on trial

Mike Tyson was proven until he met James "buster" Douglas. Before the fight it was a sure thing that he would walk all over him based on his past record. they stepped in the ring and Tyson got knocked the f*** out. We can't be so sure 2k will hold the title in next gen until we see some more. Live 14 could be buster Douglas!

[dat boi Q]

Man I would not put so much hope into any EA sports title
Live 10 was a decent game and they didn't realize what they had.
They shouldn't just built off that game and by now they would have been neck and neck with 2k.
See the main problem with EA sports is that they don't like to lose then the panick and think they got to do gimmicky stuff to compete. Just watch live 14 will be decent to a lot of players but next EA will screw it up

[poloelite]

Live 10 was decent, yes, but anyone who thinks a sequel of that game would've been able to compete with 2k11 is utterly foolish. Live 10 gets props because it was the best Live in years. Now that they haven't released a game since Lebron wore a Cavs' jersey, people are acting like it was better than 2k10 lol. Getting 5 on 5 Bball correct is a multi year thing and takes a lot of fan feedback. EA is probably 3-5 years away from even getting a good all around experience out there.

[Guard-ian]

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Even though 2k is far ahead in current gen, the new consoles set a level playing field in my view, so what I really hope is that we will get two great basketball videogames, if they deserve it, I will purchase both...

Cheers!

[Sundown]

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Mike Tyson was proven until he met James "buster" Douglas. Before the fight it was a sure thing that he would walk all over him based on his past record. they stepped in the ring and Tyson got knocked the f*** out. We can't be so sure 2k will hold the title in next gen until we see some more. Live 14 could be buster Douglas!

Worst analogy ever. Development studios don't just fold because of some random lucky punch by an upstart.

This is more like the Heat being defeated in the Finals by an NBA expansion team in its first year after winning 3 straight championships and signing another great free agent in the off season.

[2kfanatic]

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I beg to differ, 2K Sports does have something to prove, it's next gen consoles, clean slate for both EA & 2K so statements like couldn't compete on current gen mean very little. And having the licensing of the NBA, NFL, FIFA, NHL is just plain smart on EA's part giving them access to real tv broadcast presentation, instead of allowing a rap artist to smear his brand all over an NBA game, thats real authentic.

While I agree with you that 2k has a lot to prove, Live has MORE to prove because of its consecutive failures. There is no such thing as "clean slates" when it comes to sports games and even if live had 4 years of development time we cannot be sure that they were developing the game the whole time they were absent.

But to answer the question, of course live has a chance right now because we haven't seen anything substantial from both parties so right now it can go either way (based on what we know so far).

[dat boi Q]

Live 10 was decent, yes, but anyone who thinks a sequel of that game would've been able to compete with 2k11 is utterly foolish. Live 10 gets props because it was the best Live in years. Now that they haven't released a game since Lebron wore a Cavs' jersey, people are acting like it was better than 2k10 lol. Getting 5 on 5 Bball correct is a multi year thing and takes a lot of fan feedback. EA is probably 3-5 years away from even getting a good all around experience out there.

Like I said right NOW they would be neck and neck not that next year after live 10.
Building off live 10 would have been best for EA.

[cincy14fan]

I won't even give Live a look this year, and if they come out with it next year still won't give it a look. Call me a 2k fan (I do love their NBA), but Live will do decent but still won't be a game changer. You will have the fans of Live Series come back, and of course people going to try a new game.

One thing I think is funny is how everyone says "Live is coming out on next gen so all their resources are in one bag and how next gen everyone is going to be on the same playing field." Not to say that Live is going to be terrible, but when the 360 and PS3 we had madden and what they shown before the game was released and everyone was going bat crazy over it. Then we got it and it was nothing we expected and was worst. You get the whole "3 year plan" so I guess when Live doesn't do well I can always resort to hearing people say "It's their first year back on a new system and they are still learning" or "It's the first year in the 3 year plan!"

Again it all comes down to play style. 2k is sim (i personally like it) so I stick with that. If you like it more arcade style then Live is your game. Multiple choices for sports is good, but to actually believe that EA can complete with 2k in the first year of next gen is pretty crazy. Only thing EA would have better is online servers cause even I will admit it is frustrating with all the errors with their online association. As for gameplay Live, for me, will never come close to 2k ever since 2k is sim and I tend to go in that direction. Unless some crazy reason Live try's to be sim then maybe I would look into it.

[barimanlhs]

Hell yeah Live stands a chance

the thing that make LMAO is how fans of 2K think that Next-Gen will automatically be better than Live based on past history

lets put it this way Madden and NCAA were good XBOX/PS2 days but when it came to Current-Gen they took steps back

Also 2K has been slacking with NO competition on Current-Gen these last few years but some people don't want to acknowledge it

I know I'm probably one of the few who want ALL of EA's games to be good Next-gen but that's just me

There is no guarantee that Live will be any better in the next generation either. Live was a lot of fun until it came to the PS3 and 360. Now it hasnt been released in 3 years...why should we believe it will be any better come the PS4 and Xbox 1?

At the very least 2k has a solid foundation that they will be building from. It could very well suck next gen but I have more confidence in 2k making a good basketball game than I do with EA making one, based on their history. Im pushing for Live to be good so we, the consumer, can get the best possible product or products.

[xman2k]

I won't even give Live a look this year, and if they come out with it next year still won't give it a look. Call me a 2k fan (I do love their NBA), but Live will do decent but still won't be a game changer. You will have the fans of Live Series come back, and of course people going to try a new game.

One thing I think is funny is how everyone says "Live is coming out on next gen so all their resources are in one bag and how next gen everyone is going to be on the same playing field." Not to say that Live is going to be terrible, but when the 360 and PS3 we had madden and what they shown before the game was released and everyone was going bat crazy over it. Then we got it and it was nothing we expected and was worst. You get the whole "3 year plan" so I guess when Live doesn't do well I can always resort to hearing people say "It's their first year back on a new system and they are still learning" or "It's the first year in the 3 year plan!"

Again it all comes down to play style. 2k is sim (i personally like it) so I stick with that. If you like it more arcade style then Live is your game. Multiple choices for sports is good, but to actually believe that EA can complete with 2k in the first year of next gen is pretty crazy. Only thing EA would have better is online servers cause even I will admit it is frustrating with all the errors with their online association. As for gameplay Live, for me, will never come close to 2k ever since 2k is sim and I tend to go in that direction. Unless some crazy reason Live try's to be sim then maybe I would look into it.

It's like everyone is waiting for the EA "glory days" to come back. A lot of these same people never bought a Dreamcast and witnessed NFL2k day one. Had they, all would have switched. A lot of people stuck on Madden and choked until it finally came on PS2 in 3d. Fast forward and NBA 2k11 forced people to switch, no longer could the hold onto Live, so they hold a resentment to that. You get so much more with other brands but it's the brand people grew up with and hated admitting that it got stomped. I admit, I dislike EA, mainly to the monopoly of the NFL, yet I've enjoyed GrandSlam over Topspin. Lakers vs Celtics was the reason I begged for a Genesis,, so I was an EA fanboy from the beginning, although I preferred Joe Montana over Madden every year.

[Guard-ian]

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Once upon a time there was a soccer game called PES, this game was much better than its competitor, called FIFA... But then, a new gen of consoles appeared... FIFA did a better job with them and it became the best soccer sim of both in that generation... True history.

I mean, yes 2k has the advantadge, but anything can happen, specially when we are changing to machines with much more power... who will adapt better? Too early to know.

Cheers! ;-)

[DatGD12guage]

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I won't even give Live a look this year, and if they come out with it next year still won't give it a look. Call me a 2k fan (I do love their NBA), but Live will do decent but still won't be a game changer. You will have the fans of Live Series come back, and of course people going to try a new game.

One thing I think is funny is how everyone says "Live is coming out on next gen so all their resources are in one bag and how next gen everyone is going to be on the same playing field." Not to say that Live is going to be terrible, but when the 360 and PS3 we had madden and what they shown before the game was released and everyone was going bat crazy over it. Then we got it and it was nothing we expected and was worst. You get the whole "3 year plan" so I guess when Live doesn't do well I can always resort to hearing people say "It's their first year back on a new system and they are still learning" or "It's the first year in the 3 year plan!"

Again it all comes down to play style. 2k is sim (i personally like it) so I stick with that. If you like it more arcade style then Live is your game. Multiple choices for sports is good, but to actually believe that EA can complete with 2k in the first year of next gen is pretty crazy. Only thing EA would have better is online servers cause even I will admit it is frustrating with all the errors with their online association. As for gameplay Live, for me, will never come close to 2k ever since 2k is sim and I tend to go in that direction. Unless some crazy reason Live try's to be sim then maybe I would look into it.

The only reason we say live can compete is b/c it has a head start on 2k what dont you guys understand about a head start? Yeah 2k has a foundation but how long will that last? Its the same one from that dreamcast is it.....? Live has had time to do more testing with their new engine.

I hope you guys also understand that 2k is not really sim the only ppl who say it is sim are mostly the offline ppl who use sliders who most likely only play quick games and offline assosiation which are NOT the most played modes. I say that b/c the AI is terrible period. Plus if you try to play sim it could look that way b/c some of the animations are realistic looking but in terms of realistic smart basketball ppl are being fooled by the flashy stuff. Its a fun game to play but not sim imo. Dont get offended b/c like I said im a fan of 2k but im just keeping it real. To make it look sim with another so called sim player you restrict yourself to make the game look good.

Online and the single player creation modes is where ppl want realism mostly b/c those are the most played modes not saying there wont be cheesers but 2k rewards cheating and unrealistic play.

All we want is a game that rewards you for atleast trying to play in a realistic manner and making the smartest basketball play possible. I think 2k11 was the closest thing we EVER had to that.

Again everything is emotional based when ppl talk about ea b/c of their past. Like I said I dont believe their hype either but I know they have a chance even tho their past is kind of rachet after 2k came into the picture.

Lets not act like 2k is totally prepared to release a ground breaking game with the same engine. Me personally? Im not expecting much of a different game from 2k. I think the best they can do with this engine is 2k11 with new graphics and more flashy animations. I dont really expect much from ea either b/c we havent seen xxxx in terms of gameplay even tho I wish both make the games better than I expect so we can have two great games.

I do think ppl are right when they say that if ea can produce a realistic experience online then their back in it b/c those are the most played modes HANDS DOWN. Plus ppl already know ea already had the best online experiece prior to but the gameplay was just wack or not up to par.

[Skopin]

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I hear your concerns, but I've played 2k14 and even on demo build the defense is vastly improved. I'm not much of an online gamer, because to be honest with you it will ALWAYS be cheese. No matter who makes the game, it will always just be a game and open to exploits. Unfortunately, defense and simulation have NEVER been NBA Live's strong suit, so I don't think your particular grievances will be addressed anytime soon. Personally, the jump to me with 2k12 over 11 was subtle, but the animations and control stick for 2k13 was a huge jump. This year it's defense. 2k isn't anywhere close to perfect, but perfection takes time. Here they are, around 14 years into tweaking the game and it still needs help. It's almost unbelievable to think Live can come out the gate and just get it right, when they haven't been able to do that in almost a decade. True the online may be more stable, but would you rather drive a bucket on a smooth street or a Bentley on a slightly bumpy one??

Personally, I have always found Live's defense and AI to be much better than 2k's. I will say that 2k making the switch to right-stick dribble moves has greatly improved the offensive control.