OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

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  • Gosens6
    All Star
    • Oct 2007
    • 6097

    #196
    Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

    Originally posted by Skopin
    You failed to mention what he said immediately after that.

    "It's not exactly where it needs to be yet, but that's the exciting part."

    I don't think any developer should say the game is where they want to be. They should always strive to be better.
    I get that, trust me I really do. But if this is supposed to be THE game to get you back on track, and you've had more than enough time to plan and develop, it should be where you want it to be. It will NOT be good for them to start of this generation of consoles with a game that they're not satisfied with. Not with the competition at the top of their game, and not with them trying to win back some of their fanbase that forgot all about them.

    This game needs to be good, it cannot be step 1 of another 3 year plan, they'll just be letting 2K gain even more ground than they already have, that's all i'm saying.

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    • GisherJohn24
      MVP
      • Aug 2008
      • 4578

      #197
      Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

      Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
      To sell enough to satisfy EA, it will have to sell enough. Good reviews alone won't make it sell that much man. Many good games with great reviews don't sell. Especially when there is another product that directly competes with it.
      I disagree. 2 nba games back in the day that were at least good went head to head and both made money. There is a huge fan base for nba. When Live was good it went head to head with NBA ShootOut and eventually 2k. And both did well for years. . 06 was when Live went to crap on the 360. Took it about 4 years to make a decent comeback with 10. Well, almost 4 years later, we might see a good game again. Good games sell by good reviews and word of mouth. I hope both 2k and Live are great

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #198
        Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

        Dude live 10 made them go th3 hockey route even though it qas a pretty decent rated game and the best in the series. You can't disagree with something that happened

        Galaxy Note 2

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        • Sundown
          MVP
          • Oct 2010
          • 3270

          #199
          Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

          Originally posted by Gosens6
          I get that, trust me I really do. But if this is supposed to be THE game to get you back on track, and you've had more than enough time to plan and develop, it should be where you want it to be. It will NOT be good for them to start of this generation of consoles with a game that they're not satisfied with. Not with the competition at the top of their game, and not with them trying to win back some of their fanbase that forgot all about them.

          This game needs to be good, it cannot be step 1 of another 3 year plan, they'll just be letting 2K gain even more ground than they already have, that's all i'm saying.
          Live 14 is not going to be the game that gets them fully on track in all likelihood. However, if they do one thing REALLY well, like say, dribbling, then they have something noteworthy to build off. If they take that approach with their other gameplay systems every year, they could have a stellar game if they stay hungry in 3-4 years.

          If they nail dribbling but the game sucks, it's still a major accomplishment, as that is probably one of the hardest things to get right in a game. Of course while they're shoring up the other systems and basic basketball, the other product can focus on weaknesses in their dribbling model (which is good for everyone).

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #200
            Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

            Originally posted by Sundown
            Live 14 is not going to be the game that gets them fully on track in all likelihood. However, if they do one thing REALLY well, like say, dribbling, then they have something noteworthy to build off. If they take that approach with their other gameplay systems every year, they could have a stellar game if they stay hungry in 3-4 years.

            If they nail dribbling but the game sucks, it's still a major accomplishment, as that is probably one of the hardest things to get right in a game. Of course while they're shoring up the other systems and basic basketball, the other product can focus on weaknesses in their dribbling model (which is good for everyone).
            I'm sorry but that's a cop-out.

            If they nail dribbling it's a success? Dribbling?

            Man, the game will be a success if it is animating (without major bugs) smoothly and has an above average dynasty mode. Those are the things that will keep people playing.

            Dribbling is just an icing on the cake factor.

            It was NEVER an issue with the Live series. Never.

            Sad day when we give a game credit for dribbling. My man Boozer can rocket dunk from the FT line but he has a sick handle to get there?

            Nah.

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            • GisherJohn24
              MVP
              • Aug 2008
              • 4578

              #201
              Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

              Gameplay vid announced . Will be online tomorrow

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              • Sundown
                MVP
                • Oct 2010
                • 3270

                #202
                Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                I'm sorry but that's a cop-out.

                If they nail dribbling it's a success? Dribbling?

                Man, the game will be a success if it is animating (without major bugs) smoothly and has an above average dynasty mode. Those are the things that will keep people playing.

                Dribbling is just an icing on the cake factor.

                It was NEVER an issue with the Live series. Never.

                Sad day when we give a game credit for dribbling. My man Boozer can rocket dunk from the FT line but he has a sick handle to get there?

                Nah.
                I'm not saying Live 14 will be a success as a GAME if they just nail dribbling. It will be an abject and abysmal failure. Make no mistake about it.

                What I'm saying is that Live's developers will have succeeded for *themselves* by accomplishing something that gives them a fighting chance at making a decent product years down the line, even if they totally fail their customers (and should rightfully be shamed for doing so).

                Problem is, if it's a failure as a game, EA might just cancel it again and they won't be able to build from that foundation.

                Seems moot though because Nash looks terrible dribbling in the latest teaser video.

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                • Skopin
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 307

                  #203
                  Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                  Originally posted by Sundown
                  Seems moot though because Nash looks terrible dribbling in the latest teaser video.
                  What was wrong with the dribbling?

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                  • Sundown
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 3270

                    #204
                    Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                    Originally posted by Skopin
                    What was wrong with the dribbling?
                    Look at when Nash goes into a weird sped up hunchy, jerky animation right when he gets contact and before they cut away to hide it.

                    His body language is also completely lethargic and he does a small, robotic turn in place on one foot on his way to the hole. The latter is somewhat expected in a video game, but this wasn't what I expected with "BounceTek".

                    It looks nothing like the Kyrie videos. Not just because it's Nash or sig styles. It just looks... bad.

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                    • Boilerbuzz
                      D* B**rs!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5154

                      #205
                      Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                      Originally posted by GisherJohn24
                      I disagree. 2 nba games back in the day that were at least good went head to head and both made money.
                      Are you sure about that? For the longest time, 2k struggled financially. And with the rising costs of making games, margins are even smaller now. I don't think Live 10 made a profit. That's why EA flipped out and made the call on Elite. If it did make money, it apparently wasn't enough to satisfy EA.

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                      • jaateloauto
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 743

                        #206
                        Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                        Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                        Are you sure about that? For the longest time, 2k struggled financially. And with the rising costs of making games, margins are even smaller now. I don't think Live 10 made a profit. That's why EA flipped out and made the call on Elite. If it did make money, it apparently wasn't enough to satisfy EA.
                        Live 10 sold around 900k copies while 2K10 sold around 2.2 million. According to VGCharts.

                        2K13 sold over 5 million copies. The production costs on 2K11, 2K12, 2K13 and 2K14 on current gen probably haven't been very big.
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                        • GisherJohn24
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 4578

                          #207
                          Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                          I'm happy I got two games to play this year

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                          • yungflo
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 2798

                            #208
                            Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

                            Originally posted by jaateloauto
                            Live 10 sold around 900k copies while 2K10 sold around 2.2 million. According to VGCharts.

                            2K13 sold over 5 million copies. The production costs on 2K11, 2K12, 2K13 and 2K14 on current gen probably haven't been very big.
                            You're right, cause that's very low, considering how many platforms nba 2k13 is on, PC, PS3, Xbox 360,PSP,Wii, Wii U

                            FIfa does 6mil in a week, less even, worldwide
                            #dairyfree

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