NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
thanks for actually attempting to address the Original point. i see everyone else was afraid to do so.
now to your point. you are incorrect about the foot planting, balance weight shifting. I explained to you using a coaches website(those words were not mine). on multiple ways to attack the foot.
like i said, i dont do youtube vids. so i didnt go thru with narration. stoppin the video and pulling it back. this is why you probably think what you think after watching it. and thats my fault.
so here's your narration.
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
While I agree that you have to play basketball the right way in Live 14, there's no fun factor in it!! That's why most people don't like the game.
It's one thing to say, oh this game plays like real basketball, but if the execution isn't right, then who cares. In NBA 2K13, you can run plays well, but you can also break plays and create on the fly and surprise the defense, and it does it well. NBA Live has to have great execution with their game play or all the AI stuff won't matter much.
I've played full 12 min quarter games and got realistic results in the stat lines, but the game wasn't fun, and I felt limited within the offense even if there's a lot of control with off ball movement, play calling. The dev team has to clean it up and make the game easier to execute or people will just get bored of itComment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
I think what hurts the most as a basketball fan is that they had such a good foundation with NBA Live 10 (I think?) and decided to scrap all that in favor of what turned out to be an un-releasable atrocity. If they can recapture the core aspects of that game and work on the animations (which were to me, the weak point of that game) then they'll have my attention.
what they did with this game is actually take some of the core stuff from elite, tweek it a lot. elite was attempting to be based on physics and hoop realism. the issue they had with using no animations or very little. was what it would look like when certain things take place. some stuff just didnt look right at all. i mean not even close to right lol. so this is elite 2.0 you're looking at. they did make it easier for you to shoot because that was a huge complaint about elite. 'its to hard to make shots>" but that shot mechanic and the way they mapped the right and left sticks was so realistic it was insane. and you would have had to practice a lot shooting around(at least they had a training area...) to get it down pat. most people are not willing to do that. which is why they had to make shooting easier again in this years version.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
While I agree that you have to play basketball the right way in Live 14, there's no fun factor in it!! That's why most people don't like the game.
It's one thing to say, oh this game plays like real basketball, but if the execution isn't right, then who cares. In NBA 2K13, you can run plays well, but you can also break plays and create on the fly and surprise the defense, and it does it well. NBA Live has to have great execution with their game play or all the AI stuff won't matter much.
I've played full 12 min quarter games and got realistic results in the stat lines, but the game wasn't fun, and I felt limited within the offense even if there's a lot of control with off ball movement, play calling. The dev team has to clean it up and make the game easier to execute or people will just get bored of it
with that said. it is fun. you have to KNOW the controls thru and thru. you have to learn each players dribbling rhythm. on top of all that you have to play real basketball and have a good basketball iq. if you are missing one of those 2 things you will not like this game. and i will say it again. i know for a fact you dont have all the controls down the game has not been out long enough and the control are very indepth.
its to hard to get into a game that you dont know the controls for unless you give it a real chance and force yourself to play it until you learn them. most people wont do that because you have 2k as the easy fall back. we all know those controls. just jump in and play. you can do a lot of free lancing. the problem with doing that not within the context of your teams play calling. well its real hoop. that wont work to well for you and that may not be fun to you. and thats ok. you dont want TRUE realism in this game like you think you do. and thats okay too. different strokes for different folks.
i'm telling you if either of these games or some other game drops where they get hoop down to a science. to its real life counterpart. a lot of users will not like the game at all. because it will take to much effort to learn how to play it. and it will be to hard to win at it without being a good to great bball iq person. most people dont have high regular iq's. so of course most people wont have high bball iq's.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
first off the dev team has tons of work ahead of them for sure. anyone saying this game is worth 60 bucks is a liar. its about a 30 buck deal if you ask me.
with that said. it is fun. you have to KNOW the controls thru and thru. you have to learn each players dribbling rhythm. on top of all that you have to play real basketball and have a good basketball iq. if you are missing one of those 2 things you will not like this game. and i will say it again. i know for a fact you dont have all the controls down the game has not been out long enough and the control are very indepth.
its to hard to get into a game that you dont know the controls for unless you give it a real chance and force yourself to play it until you learn them. most people wont do that because you have 2k as the easy fall back. we all know those controls. just jump in and play. you can do a lot of free lancing. the problem with doing that not within the context of your teams play calling. well its real hoop. that wont work to well for you and that may not be fun to you. and thats ok. you dont want TRUE realism in this game like you think you do. and thats okay too. different strokes for different folks.
i'm telling you if either of these games or some other game drops where they get hoop down to a science. to its real life counterpart. a lot of users will not like the game at all. because it will take to much effort to learn how to play it. and it will be to hard to win at it without being a good to great bball iq person. most people dont have high regular iq's. so of course most people wont have high bball iq's.
In this game, you can't really run a fast paced offense, because you can't inbound the ball fast enough and the speed of the game isn't fast enough, so the majority of the time, you have to run a grind style offense even if you're the Golden State WarriorsComment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
For the record, I think you guys are either delusional and/or are full of it. No offense. Just stating my position. But, forget that. For now, let's say you are right. The game is a true sim and if you are a wannabe AAU "coach", you will love this game. So now what? If you don't want to play true sim ball, your game is going to look like this? Is that the way it's supposed to be? So, if the real Lebron James decides to break a play and just plow his way to the paint, it's going to look like something emphatically different from what we normally consider to be basketball? What kind of simulation is that? The fact of the matter is that there are an INFINITE number of ways you can play basketball. And regardless of which style you choose, it will still look like basketball. Yet, you're saying it is OK for EA to make a game that's geared to play in some incredibly restricted set to look anything like real life?
This is REALLY OK with you? You think this is a good foundation? A game that is geared to force its idea of what basketball should be, instead of allowing the creativity that has been the hallmark of the game of basketball (not just the NBA) since Naismith?. It's clear that you guys feel the game fits your ideal of what basketball is and what it should be. That's fine. But you cross a line when you try to shove YOUR views onto other people. And that's what you're doing. "Hey guys! If you want to enjoy the game, you MUST play the game our way! It's the best! It's realistic! If you don't, you don't know basketball!"
In the end, it comes down to this:
Group A says the game isn't fun to them.
Group B says they love it, but you must play our way.
A says, no thanks, our way is valid as well, why not make a game that satisfies both of us. At least one that doesn't totally blow when playing our way?
B says, no! The game doesn't blow. Your way blows. Our way is best!
A says, whether your way is best or not is not the point. As long as our way is VALID, I should have a satisfying experience if I'm expected to buy it.
B says, NO! You just don't know anything! You hate the game! You're not giving it a chance! You hate the company! And the other game sucks!
And you wonder why people are in your asses when you try to sell to them.Last edited by Boilerbuzz; 11-24-2013, 02:47 AM.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Freelancing offense is sometimes the best offense, especially in a video game. Being able to play team specific offense is a luxury, but it shouldn't be necessary all the time. You should be able to change your team's identity and run the team the way you want, because it's a video game. IF I want to pick the Lakers, and have them play at a slow pace that should be my option.
In this game, you can't really run a fast paced offense, because you can't inbound the ball fast enough and the speed of the game isn't fast enough, so the majority of the time, you have to run a grind style offense even if you're the Golden State Warriors
OR its a bad pass and turn over that the defense turns into a fast break.
most fast breaks or push it type of situations do not happen off of take out situations. yes it CAN happen and it does SOMETImes. but most transition baskets are based on the two things i said above.
i played with the lakers vs gstate. i had old man nash, pushing it, guys hitting their lanes. and me hitting guys in stride iwth bounce passes. layup. dunk. or the go down low while in transition. then kick it back out for the wide open 3. thats mike d'an basketball. true run n gun hoop.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
For the record, I think you guys are either delusional and/or are full of it. No offense. Just stating my position. But, forget that. For now, let's say you are right. The game is a true sim and if you are a wannabe AAU "coach", you will love this game. So now what? If you don't want to play true sim ball, your game is going to look like this? Is that the way it's supposed to be? So, if the real Lebron James decides to break a play and just plow his way to the paint, it's going to look like something emphatically different from what we normally consider to be basketball? What kind of simulation is that? The fact of the matter is that there are an INFINITE number of ways you can play basketball. And regardless of which style you choose, it will still look like basketball. Yet, you're saying it is OK for EA to make a game that's geared to play in some incredibly restricted set to look anything like real life?
This is REALLY OK with you? You think this is a good foundation? A game that is geared to force its idea of what basketball should be, instead of allowing the creativity that has been the hallmark of the game of basketball (not just the NBA) since Naismith?. It's clear that you guys feel the game fits your ideal of what basketball is and what it should be. That's fine. But you cross a line when you try to shove YOUR views onto other people. And that's what you're doing. "Hey guys! If you want to enjoy the game, you MUST play the game our way! It's the best! It's realistic! If you don't, you don't know basketball!"
In the end, it comes down to this:
Group A says the game isn't fun to them.
Group B says they love it, but you must play our way.
A says, no thanks, our way is valid as well, why not make a game that satisfies both of us. At least one that doesn't totally blow when playing our way?
B says, no! The game doesn't blow. Your way blows. Our way is best!
A says, whether your way is best or not is not the point. As long as our way is VALID, I should have a satisfying experience if I'm expected to buy it.
B says, NO! You just don't know anything! You hate the game! You're not giving it a chance! You hate the company! And the other game sucks!
And you wonder why people are in your asses when you try to sell to them.
whats happening is group A is saying i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt look good enough #1. #2 i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt play like what i'm use to(2k). people dont have to say the #2 for you to figure it out. read between the lines.
there is a certain group of people that have been asking for Simulation basketball since forever. there's a group of people that do not want to play a video game in that manner at all. there's a group thats in between the two.
the people that have been complaining fall in non sim group and the group thats in between sim and non sim.
the sim group(small group) are liking the foundation of this game. not the graphics. but the foundation of the game.
i see guys with their feet planting on the ground. this was never the case in any basketball game. not 2k either until this gen. no sliding. that alone will make the game play more realistic.
remember every game has their angle on how they want to depict the sport. 2k has always said they wanted it to make like you were watching a tv broadcast. i remember nba live stating they wanted you to feel like you were playing the sport. do you understand now why these games will always be very different in execution?
do you now understand why 2k has been super animations heavy vs live trying to lean towards a less animations based game? this is because one wants their game to LOOK as realistic as possible. while the other one is changing directions and saying we want ours to play as realistic to the nba as possible.
notice what scott said in his apology and i quote
... You’ve also let us know that you’re disappointed by the graphics and animations, and I can tell you that we are committed to making drastic and immediate improvements. In order to get gameplay up and running this year we had to prioritize. We felt authentic gameplay, control and the connected experience would provide the best foundation for the future. As a result, game visuals and animation polish suffered. Improvements on these fronts are also in development now for NBA LIVE 14. You will notice in the coming weeks and months that the game’s visuals and animation will improve significantly.
and to your lbj analogy. if lbj wants to bulldoze guys like he does in real life for no charge calls. it can happen in nba live 14. assuming the defenders are not prepared to completely lock the paint down (spurs in the playoffs, dallas in the finals when they beat the heat) and dare him to shoot open jumpers. if you try to guard him 1 vs 1 and you're late with the help. nba live will have you watching lbj going hard to the rack knocking your defender to the ground and possibly getting an And 1 in the process. just like real life.
another guy above said he couldnt be creative with live. i have another video for both of you.Comment
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^^watch the video in full screen and watch it closely. read the description first so you wont wonder why it looks like it does.
pay attention to both players feet.
watch how in the beginning i attempted to give the defender a nice cross over. he cut that angle off so i ran directly into his chest.
then i took a couple of semi hard dribbles parallel to the basket from one side of the court towards the other. then spun on the defender and dunked on the big man in the paint.
that wasnt some play i had to run to accomplish this. i just realized how i must attack the defender. because he wasnt going for any of my crossovers before that moment. and i attempted one more for good measure. he still didnt go for it. some its time for plan B. spin off the guy.
basketball is a game of chess.Comment
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NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
What part of 'basketball chess' is a help defender getting into a random defensive stance while a player is driving to the basket, and then awkwardly jumping parallel to the ball handler, in no way contesting the shot?
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#2 i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt play like what i'm use to(2k). people dont have to say the #2 for you to figure it out. read between the lines.
there is a certain group of people that have been asking for Simulation basketball since forever. there's a group of people that do not want to play a video game in that manner at all. there's a group thats in between the two.
the people that have been complaining fall in non sim group and the group thats in between sim and non sim.
the sim group(small group) are liking the foundation of this game. not the graphics. but the foundation of the game.
i see guys with their feet planting on the ground. ... no sliding. that alone will make the game play more realistic.
remember every game has their angle on how they want to depict the sport. 2k has always said they wanted it to make like you were watching a tv broadcast. i remember nba live stating they wanted you to feel like you were playing the sport. do you understand now why these games will always be very different in execution?
do you now understand why 2k has been super animations heavy vs live trying to lean towards a less animations based game? this is because one wants their game to LOOK as realistic as possible. while the other one is changing directions and saying we want ours to play as realistic to the nba as possible.
and again, no one said your way blows. we said your way is your way, but lets be clear your way is not simulated basketball. its video game as usual, basketball. there are a lot of people that ask for sim ball that dont really want it when it comes down to it. thats another issue.
and to your lbj analogy. if lbj wants to bulldoze guys like he does in real life for no charge calls. it can happen in nba live 14.Last edited by Boilerbuzz; 11-24-2013, 11:58 AM.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Sure you can take one picture of something happening like that. I could give a bunch of examples of the same things happening in 2K. Despite that happening every now and then, this is still a great, fundamental basketball game. I can have some really strategic matchups online with someone that knows how to play the game and not see anything like that once.
There we go, that should be good enough. It's all good guys, no need to tear yourselves away from Sim Heaven.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Don't worry guys, I can answer this one for you and save you the trouble.
Sure you can take one picture of something happening like that. I could give a bunch of examples of the same things happening in 2K. Despite that happening every now and then, this is still a great, fundamental basketball game. I can have some really strategic matchups online with someone that knows how to play the game and not see anything like that once.
There we go, that should be good enough. It's all good guys, no need to tear yourselves away from Sim Heaven.#RespectTheCultureComment
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you do realize you can change the settings for each team right? you do realize you can run more right? getting up the court isnt about inbounding the ball most times. its about grabbing a rebound usually off missed jumpshot(usually a long jumper like a 3). it produces a long rebound. that the defender snags, then starts pushing it down your throat. or he hits his pg with a pass and he starts pushing it down your throat.
OR its a bad pass and turn over that the defense turns into a fast break.
most fast breaks or push it type of situations do not happen off of take out situations. yes it CAN happen and it does SOMETImes. but most transition baskets are based on the two things i said above.
i played with the lakers vs gstate. i had old man nash, pushing it, guys hitting their lanes. and me hitting guys in stride iwth bounce passes. layup. dunk. or the go down low while in transition. then kick it back out for the wide open 3. thats mike d'an basketball. true run n gun hoop.
A lot of the stuff you speak of isn't consistent enough in the game because the controls lag. You know how many times I tried to pass out of the post with Hibbert and had to press the button like 4 or 5 times, and by the time I get the pass out, the whole rhythm is gone? I guess I have never played a basketball game in my life lol
You should be able to get across half court in 2 seconds after an inbound pass into your offense quicker, even after a basket, give you more time to set up the offense, and it's sometimes hard to do in this gameComment
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