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  • ifitbeginsitends
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    • Sep 2009
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    #46
    Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

    Originally posted by kingpnp3
    wait, you said all of that then posted the bolded. lol.


    you've just exposed the issue people have with 2k and its contact animations at times(no were near as bad as it use to be. so props to 2k for that).


    IF two people don't come in contact with one another....WHy should their be a CONTACT animation? there shoudnt.


    in the video I posted. he BLEW by me, because I never put a body on him. I had the angle wrong for the moves the offensive guy chose to put on me. that's my fault. not the fault of the animation. I don't want to have the game start a "go around him" animation. when its obvious he was going by me without me doing anything about it. now that I know how to play defense a lot better(I still need a ton of work). I feel more contact. I at first agreed with a lot of the posters that were upset about the lack of FEELING you have with this game vs what we've known for years with 2k. we can feel the bumping of guys constantly. now granted 2k goes over board with those animations as well. which turns into another issue.


    but once I started to get the hang of defense. I started to feel more of those bumps. because now I know how to cut guys off. and if I guess terribly wrong I feel like I have no help. because I cant feel anything. but this is real life. when guys can put a move on you bad enough to make you go left when they're going right. you wont be able to feel their bodies anymore. you will be left in the dust. this game does that.


    I have noticed that as well! After a couple games, once I started cutting people off and really getting in there way contact happens and guys adjust there shots mid air to depending on the type of contact

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    • Boilerbuzz
      D* B**rs!
      • Jul 2002
      • 5154

      #47
      Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

      Originally posted by kingpnp3
      thanks for actually attempting to address the Original point. i see everyone else was afraid to do so.

      now to your point. you are incorrect about the foot planting, balance weight shifting. I explained to you using a coaches website(those words were not mine). on multiple ways to attack the foot.

      like i said, i dont do youtube vids. so i didnt go thru with narration. stoppin the video and pulling it back. this is why you probably think what you think after watching it. and thats my fault.

      so here's your narration.
      Long long post there man. Since you put in that much effort and thought, I will leave it there. I think you were reading WAY too much into why the AI did certain things, and I think you are incorrect in saying no game has hit on some of the finer points of the one on one match ups. That is all.


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      • ThaLiveKing
        Banned
        • Sep 2009
        • 690

        #48
        Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

        While I agree that you have to play basketball the right way in Live 14, there's no fun factor in it!! That's why most people don't like the game.

        It's one thing to say, oh this game plays like real basketball, but if the execution isn't right, then who cares. In NBA 2K13, you can run plays well, but you can also break plays and create on the fly and surprise the defense, and it does it well. NBA Live has to have great execution with their game play or all the AI stuff won't matter much.

        I've played full 12 min quarter games and got realistic results in the stat lines, but the game wasn't fun, and I felt limited within the offense even if there's a lot of control with off ball movement, play calling. The dev team has to clean it up and make the game easier to execute or people will just get bored of it

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        • kingpnp3
          Banned
          • Aug 2012
          • 227

          #49
          Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

          Originally posted by demencia_total
          I think what hurts the most as a basketball fan is that they had such a good foundation with NBA Live 10 (I think?) and decided to scrap all that in favor of what turned out to be an un-releasable atrocity. If they can recapture the core aspects of that game and work on the animations (which were to me, the weak point of that game) then they'll have my attention.
          see there's a lot of people that were in love with live 10. i wasnt. sure it looked great for that time. and it had the dribbling as well. which was nice. but it talked about doing things to make it like real hoop. that never actually transpired in the game itself. it was more talk then actual production. thats why i was never a fan of live 10 like other live fans.

          what they did with this game is actually take some of the core stuff from elite, tweek it a lot. elite was attempting to be based on physics and hoop realism. the issue they had with using no animations or very little. was what it would look like when certain things take place. some stuff just didnt look right at all. i mean not even close to right lol. so this is elite 2.0 you're looking at. they did make it easier for you to shoot because that was a huge complaint about elite. 'its to hard to make shots>" but that shot mechanic and the way they mapped the right and left sticks was so realistic it was insane. and you would have had to practice a lot shooting around(at least they had a training area...) to get it down pat. most people are not willing to do that. which is why they had to make shooting easier again in this years version.

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          • kingpnp3
            Banned
            • Aug 2012
            • 227

            #50
            Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

            Originally posted by ThaLiveKing
            While I agree that you have to play basketball the right way in Live 14, there's no fun factor in it!! That's why most people don't like the game.

            It's one thing to say, oh this game plays like real basketball, but if the execution isn't right, then who cares. In NBA 2K13, you can run plays well, but you can also break plays and create on the fly and surprise the defense, and it does it well. NBA Live has to have great execution with their game play or all the AI stuff won't matter much.

            I've played full 12 min quarter games and got realistic results in the stat lines, but the game wasn't fun, and I felt limited within the offense even if there's a lot of control with off ball movement, play calling. The dev team has to clean it up and make the game easier to execute or people will just get bored of it
            first off the dev team has tons of work ahead of them for sure. anyone saying this game is worth 60 bucks is a liar. its about a 30 buck deal if you ask me.

            with that said. it is fun. you have to KNOW the controls thru and thru. you have to learn each players dribbling rhythm. on top of all that you have to play real basketball and have a good basketball iq. if you are missing one of those 2 things you will not like this game. and i will say it again. i know for a fact you dont have all the controls down the game has not been out long enough and the control are very indepth.

            its to hard to get into a game that you dont know the controls for unless you give it a real chance and force yourself to play it until you learn them. most people wont do that because you have 2k as the easy fall back. we all know those controls. just jump in and play. you can do a lot of free lancing. the problem with doing that not within the context of your teams play calling. well its real hoop. that wont work to well for you and that may not be fun to you. and thats ok. you dont want TRUE realism in this game like you think you do. and thats okay too. different strokes for different folks.

            i'm telling you if either of these games or some other game drops where they get hoop down to a science. to its real life counterpart. a lot of users will not like the game at all. because it will take to much effort to learn how to play it. and it will be to hard to win at it without being a good to great bball iq person. most people dont have high regular iq's. so of course most people wont have high bball iq's.

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            • ThaLiveKing
              Banned
              • Sep 2009
              • 690

              #51
              Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

              Originally posted by kingpnp3
              first off the dev team has tons of work ahead of them for sure. anyone saying this game is worth 60 bucks is a liar. its about a 30 buck deal if you ask me.

              with that said. it is fun. you have to KNOW the controls thru and thru. you have to learn each players dribbling rhythm. on top of all that you have to play real basketball and have a good basketball iq. if you are missing one of those 2 things you will not like this game. and i will say it again. i know for a fact you dont have all the controls down the game has not been out long enough and the control are very indepth.

              its to hard to get into a game that you dont know the controls for unless you give it a real chance and force yourself to play it until you learn them. most people wont do that because you have 2k as the easy fall back. we all know those controls. just jump in and play. you can do a lot of free lancing. the problem with doing that not within the context of your teams play calling. well its real hoop. that wont work to well for you and that may not be fun to you. and thats ok. you dont want TRUE realism in this game like you think you do. and thats okay too. different strokes for different folks.

              i'm telling you if either of these games or some other game drops where they get hoop down to a science. to its real life counterpart. a lot of users will not like the game at all. because it will take to much effort to learn how to play it. and it will be to hard to win at it without being a good to great bball iq person. most people dont have high regular iq's. so of course most people wont have high bball iq's.
              Freelancing offense is sometimes the best offense, especially in a video game. Being able to play team specific offense is a luxury, but it shouldn't be necessary all the time. You should be able to change your team's identity and run the team the way you want, because it's a video game. IF I want to pick the Lakers, and have them play at a slow pace that should be my option.

              In this game, you can't really run a fast paced offense, because you can't inbound the ball fast enough and the speed of the game isn't fast enough, so the majority of the time, you have to run a grind style offense even if you're the Golden State Warriors

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              • Boilerbuzz
                D* B**rs!
                • Jul 2002
                • 5154

                #52
                Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                For the record, I think you guys are either delusional and/or are full of it. No offense. Just stating my position. But, forget that. For now, let's say you are right. The game is a true sim and if you are a wannabe AAU "coach", you will love this game. So now what? If you don't want to play true sim ball, your game is going to look like this? Is that the way it's supposed to be? So, if the real Lebron James decides to break a play and just plow his way to the paint, it's going to look like something emphatically different from what we normally consider to be basketball? What kind of simulation is that? The fact of the matter is that there are an INFINITE number of ways you can play basketball. And regardless of which style you choose, it will still look like basketball. Yet, you're saying it is OK for EA to make a game that's geared to play in some incredibly restricted set to look anything like real life?

                This is REALLY OK with you? You think this is a good foundation? A game that is geared to force its idea of what basketball should be, instead of allowing the creativity that has been the hallmark of the game of basketball (not just the NBA) since Naismith?. It's clear that you guys feel the game fits your ideal of what basketball is and what it should be. That's fine. But you cross a line when you try to shove YOUR views onto other people. And that's what you're doing. "Hey guys! If you want to enjoy the game, you MUST play the game our way! It's the best! It's realistic! If you don't, you don't know basketball!"

                In the end, it comes down to this:

                Group A says the game isn't fun to them.
                Group B says they love it, but you must play our way.
                A says, no thanks, our way is valid as well, why not make a game that satisfies both of us. At least one that doesn't totally blow when playing our way?
                B says, no! The game doesn't blow. Your way blows. Our way is best!
                A says, whether your way is best or not is not the point. As long as our way is VALID, I should have a satisfying experience if I'm expected to buy it.
                B says, NO! You just don't know anything! You hate the game! You're not giving it a chance! You hate the company! And the other game sucks!

                And you wonder why people are in your asses when you try to sell to them.
                Last edited by Boilerbuzz; 11-24-2013, 02:47 AM.

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                • kingpnp3
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 227

                  #53
                  Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                  Originally posted by ThaLiveKing
                  Freelancing offense is sometimes the best offense, especially in a video game. Being able to play team specific offense is a luxury, but it shouldn't be necessary all the time. You should be able to change your team's identity and run the team the way you want, because it's a video game. IF I want to pick the Lakers, and have them play at a slow pace that should be my option.

                  In this game, you can't really run a fast paced offense, because you can't inbound the ball fast enough and the speed of the game isn't fast enough, so the majority of the time, you have to run a grind style offense even if you're the Golden State Warriors
                  you do realize you can change the settings for each team right? you do realize you can run more right? getting up the court isnt about inbounding the ball most times. its about grabbing a rebound usually off missed jumpshot(usually a long jumper like a 3). it produces a long rebound. that the defender snags, then starts pushing it down your throat. or he hits his pg with a pass and he starts pushing it down your throat.

                  OR its a bad pass and turn over that the defense turns into a fast break.

                  most fast breaks or push it type of situations do not happen off of take out situations. yes it CAN happen and it does SOMETImes. but most transition baskets are based on the two things i said above.

                  i played with the lakers vs gstate. i had old man nash, pushing it, guys hitting their lanes. and me hitting guys in stride iwth bounce passes. layup. dunk. or the go down low while in transition. then kick it back out for the wide open 3. thats mike d'an basketball. true run n gun hoop.

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                  • kingpnp3
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 227

                    #54
                    Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                    Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                    For the record, I think you guys are either delusional and/or are full of it. No offense. Just stating my position. But, forget that. For now, let's say you are right. The game is a true sim and if you are a wannabe AAU "coach", you will love this game. So now what? If you don't want to play true sim ball, your game is going to look like this? Is that the way it's supposed to be? So, if the real Lebron James decides to break a play and just plow his way to the paint, it's going to look like something emphatically different from what we normally consider to be basketball? What kind of simulation is that? The fact of the matter is that there are an INFINITE number of ways you can play basketball. And regardless of which style you choose, it will still look like basketball. Yet, you're saying it is OK for EA to make a game that's geared to play in some incredibly restricted set to look anything like real life?

                    This is REALLY OK with you? You think this is a good foundation? A game that is geared to force its idea of what basketball should be, instead of allowing the creativity that has been the hallmark of the game of basketball (not just the NBA) since Naismith?. It's clear that you guys feel the game fits your ideal of what basketball is and what it should be. That's fine. But you cross a line when you try to shove YOUR views onto other people. And that's what you're doing. "Hey guys! If you want to enjoy the game, you MUST play the game our way! It's the best! It's realistic! If you don't, you don't know basketball!"

                    In the end, it comes down to this:

                    Group A says the game isn't fun to them.
                    Group B says they love it, but you must play our way.
                    A says, no thanks, our way is valid as well, why not make a game that satisfies both of us. At least one that doesn't totally blow when playing our way?
                    B says, no! The game doesn't blow. Your way blows. Our way is best!
                    A says, whether your way is best or not is not the point. As long as our way is VALID, I should have a satisfying experience if I'm expected to buy it.
                    B says, NO! You just don't know anything! You hate the game! You're not giving it a chance! You hate the company! And the other game sucks!

                    And you wonder why people are in your asses when you try to sell to them.
                    nope. thats not whats going on here.

                    whats happening is group A is saying i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt look good enough #1. #2 i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt play like what i'm use to(2k). people dont have to say the #2 for you to figure it out. read between the lines.

                    there is a certain group of people that have been asking for Simulation basketball since forever. there's a group of people that do not want to play a video game in that manner at all. there's a group thats in between the two.

                    the people that have been complaining fall in non sim group and the group thats in between sim and non sim.

                    the sim group(small group) are liking the foundation of this game. not the graphics. but the foundation of the game.

                    i see guys with their feet planting on the ground. this was never the case in any basketball game. not 2k either until this gen. no sliding. that alone will make the game play more realistic.

                    remember every game has their angle on how they want to depict the sport. 2k has always said they wanted it to make like you were watching a tv broadcast. i remember nba live stating they wanted you to feel like you were playing the sport. do you understand now why these games will always be very different in execution?

                    do you now understand why 2k has been super animations heavy vs live trying to lean towards a less animations based game? this is because one wants their game to LOOK as realistic as possible. while the other one is changing directions and saying we want ours to play as realistic to the nba as possible.

                    notice what scott said in his apology and i quote

                    ... You’ve also let us know that you’re disappointed by the graphics and animations, and I can tell you that we are committed to making drastic and immediate improvements. In order to get gameplay up and running this year we had to prioritize. We felt authentic gameplay, control and the connected experience would provide the best foundation for the future. As a result, game visuals and animation polish suffered. Improvements on these fronts are also in development now for NBA LIVE 14. You will notice in the coming weeks and months that the game’s visuals and animation will improve significantly.
                    and again, no one said your way blows. we said your way is your way, but lets be clear your way is not simulated basketball. its video game as usual, basketball. there are a lot of people that ask for sim ball that dont really want it when it comes down to it. thats another issue.

                    and to your lbj analogy. if lbj wants to bulldoze guys like he does in real life for no charge calls. it can happen in nba live 14. assuming the defenders are not prepared to completely lock the paint down (spurs in the playoffs, dallas in the finals when they beat the heat) and dare him to shoot open jumpers. if you try to guard him 1 vs 1 and you're late with the help. nba live will have you watching lbj going hard to the rack knocking your defender to the ground and possibly getting an And 1 in the process. just like real life.

                    another guy above said he couldnt be creative with live. i have another video for both of you.

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                    • kingpnp3
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 227

                      #55
                      Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)



                      ^^watch the video in full screen and watch it closely. read the description first so you wont wonder why it looks like it does.

                      pay attention to both players feet.

                      watch how in the beginning i attempted to give the defender a nice cross over. he cut that angle off so i ran directly into his chest.

                      then i took a couple of semi hard dribbles parallel to the basket from one side of the court towards the other. then spun on the defender and dunked on the big man in the paint.

                      that wasnt some play i had to run to accomplish this. i just realized how i must attack the defender. because he wasnt going for any of my crossovers before that moment. and i attempted one more for good measure. he still didnt go for it. some its time for plan B. spin off the guy.

                      basketball is a game of chess.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #56
                        NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                        What part of 'basketball chess' is a help defender getting into a random defensive stance while a player is driving to the basket, and then awkwardly jumping parallel to the ball handler, in no way contesting the shot?



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                        • Boilerbuzz
                          D* B**rs!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5154

                          #57
                          Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                          Originally posted by kingpnp3
                          nope. thats not whats going on here.

                          whats happening is group A is saying i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt look good enough #1.
                          I give you one element. That there is a small, immature group that refuse to give the game a chance. That's true. But you are wrong in the reasons why. The MAIN reason why those people take that stance is because they feel that they have been burned enough by this franchise! The fact that it doesn't look good to them, is only to support that mistrust.

                          #2 i refuse to give the game a chance because it doesnt play like what i'm use to(2k). people dont have to say the #2 for you to figure it out. read between the lines.
                          You do a LOT of reading between the lines don't you? You know what they say about assuming. But, let's say there is something to this. If someone likes to play a certain style, and one game still holds up when playing that style, then of course they won't like another game that falls apart when they play to their style. Live doesn't have to play like 2k. It just has to hold up. And it doesn't. And that is on the game. Not the user.

                          there is a certain group of people that have been asking for Simulation basketball since forever. there's a group of people that do not want to play a video game in that manner at all. there's a group thats in between the two.

                          the people that have been complaining fall in non sim group and the group thats in between sim and non sim.
                          Bull****. Plain and simple bull****. You can't sit there and claim the Simnation banner just because you want to. This is straight up ignorance and arrogance talking. "I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're stupid". Like I said, a sport like basketball has a infinite number of valid SIMULATION play styles. The guys you're arguing with know basketball. They have always wanted more sim. Few regular posters on OS fail to fall into this category. So to say this is insulting and arrogant.

                          the sim group(small group) are liking the foundation of this game. not the graphics. but the foundation of the game.
                          So, basically, all anyone has to say is "I like the foundation" and they are granted Simnation knighthood? You're the king, right? Or should I say der Fuehrer? And there we go again with that nebulous term: "foundation".

                          i see guys with their feet planting on the ground. ... no sliding. that alone will make the game play more realistic.
                          So you choose to ignore the really bad sliding that is in the game? Btw, foot planting doesn't make up for unrealistic physical warping.

                          remember every game has their angle on how they want to depict the sport. 2k has always said they wanted it to make like you were watching a tv broadcast. i remember nba live stating they wanted you to feel like you were playing the sport. do you understand now why these games will always be very different in execution?

                          do you now understand why 2k has been super animations heavy vs live trying to lean towards a less animations based game? this is because one wants their game to LOOK as realistic as possible. while the other one is changing directions and saying we want ours to play as realistic to the nba as possible.
                          You guys really should leave comparison to 2k out of your arguments. It's an auto fail. The game looks better. Plays better. Has shipped. Any measure you want to compare, you will likely lose. Not to mention you are take piecemeal quotes to your convenience. The only time you're heard 2k take about giving you that broadcast experience is in context of the visuals and presentation. The gameplay team has ALWAYS trumpeted and strived for sim. So, get rid of that argument right there. And even if that was the case, what you see on TV IS real basketball. So, what's the point of even trying to make that distinction?


                          and again, no one said your way blows. we said your way is your way, but lets be clear your way is not simulated basketball. its video game as usual, basketball. there are a lot of people that ask for sim ball that dont really want it when it comes down to it. thats another issue.
                          OK. Doesn't blow. It is just not sim... Really? The things people are asking for and complain about aren't sim aspects? Really?! Realistic physics models. Realistic player movement. Realistic outcomes to colliding players. Realistic decisions by help defenders. Yeah. Got it. That stuff only happens in video games.

                          and to your lbj analogy. if lbj wants to bulldoze guys like he does in real life for no charge calls. it can happen in nba live 14.
                          The problem is that in Live, you're likely to get unrealistic outcomes. The plays do not unfold or resolve as they should and there are many videos that show this.
                          Last edited by Boilerbuzz; 11-24-2013, 11:58 AM.

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                          • King_B_Mack
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 24450

                            #58
                            Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                            What part of 'basketball chess' is a help defender getting into a random defensive stance while a player is driving to the basket, and then awkwardly jumping parallel to the ball handler, in no way contesting the shot?



                            Don't worry guys, I can answer this one for you and save you the trouble.

                            Sure you can take one picture of something happening like that. I could give a bunch of examples of the same things happening in 2K. Despite that happening every now and then, this is still a great, fundamental basketball game. I can have some really strategic matchups online with someone that knows how to play the game and not see anything like that once.

                            There we go, that should be good enough. It's all good guys, no need to tear yourselves away from Sim Heaven.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #59
                              Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                              Don't worry guys, I can answer this one for you and save you the trouble.

                              Sure you can take one picture of something happening like that. I could give a bunch of examples of the same things happening in 2K. Despite that happening every now and then, this is still a great, fundamental basketball game. I can have some really strategic matchups online with someone that knows how to play the game and not see anything like that once.

                              There we go, that should be good enough. It's all good guys, no need to tear yourselves away from Sim Heaven.
                              Don't forget about the High BBIQ that you need to play this game, King.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • ThaLiveKing
                                Banned
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 690

                                #60
                                Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

                                Originally posted by kingpnp3
                                you do realize you can change the settings for each team right? you do realize you can run more right? getting up the court isnt about inbounding the ball most times. its about grabbing a rebound usually off missed jumpshot(usually a long jumper like a 3). it produces a long rebound. that the defender snags, then starts pushing it down your throat. or he hits his pg with a pass and he starts pushing it down your throat.

                                OR its a bad pass and turn over that the defense turns into a fast break.

                                most fast breaks or push it type of situations do not happen off of take out situations. yes it CAN happen and it does SOMETImes. but most transition baskets are based on the two things i said above.

                                i played with the lakers vs gstate. i had old man nash, pushing it, guys hitting their lanes. and me hitting guys in stride iwth bounce passes. layup. dunk. or the go down low while in transition. then kick it back out for the wide open 3. thats mike d'an basketball. true run n gun hoop.
                                This guy is a smart ***!!! It's hard to talk logical with people when they feel their always right!!! I played enough games to know what I'm talking about!!

                                A lot of the stuff you speak of isn't consistent enough in the game because the controls lag. You know how many times I tried to pass out of the post with Hibbert and had to press the button like 4 or 5 times, and by the time I get the pass out, the whole rhythm is gone? I guess I have never played a basketball game in my life lol

                                You should be able to get across half court in 2 seconds after an inbound pass into your offense quicker, even after a basket, give you more time to set up the offense, and it's sometimes hard to do in this game

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