If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

[Boilerbuzz]

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there is nothing stopping any other company from making a basketball game so that doesnt really make any sense.

Uh... Yes there is. It's called business sense. It's FAR to expensive to make a game of this scope this day and age. And with the market dominated as it is, good luck making any of that money back. It's easy to sit there and say it's easy to do something if your money and livelihood isn't on the line, huh.


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[blackceasar]

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I don't understand why they released a demo without Synergy AND Automotion? Seems like self-sabotage. It's one thing to release a demo that has a few bugs, it's another thing to release it w/o major gameplay features.

It's called Board Members and Share Holders and Bonuses and Stock Options.

The people at the top don't really understand the business of video games. They understand the business of making money. They wanted the demo out to get people pumped about the game that came out at launch. Yes I know you have a point with saying the demo got no one pumped but what I'm saying is the people who are pushing these dates are NOT the people developing the game, which is what happens when a publisher gets TOO BIG and gets really top heavy with people with MBA's and have never even probably had a genuine interest in the video game market at all. To them EA and EA Sports is just a company they are a part of. They could work there, or work for Apply, or Sony, or Dyson Vacum Cleaners, or Whirlpool, you get the trend. Its not about the product for them, its about the business and their MBA's give blinds them to the fact that your product affects your business.

[blackceasar]

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Live is really in a miraculous place if you think about it. This series should be stone dead. But the other game has somehow managed to keep gamers looking for an alternative. All EA has do is put out a solid game and they could actually force their way back into the conversation. The opportunity for them to reclaim their place is as open as its ever been.

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This SOUNDS GOOD in PRINCIPLE. But the reality is that if they put out a good game and take advantage of the opening 2k left (this year) it wouldnt be because of how EA treats their Live franchise.. it would be in spite of how EA treats their live franchise.

Truth is, the reason why the Live franchise has been OUT of the conversation are the same reasons why they wont get back IN the conversation. It doesnt take 2k to put out a buggy broken basketball game (this year) for Live to actually do well. All Live needs to do is do Live Well and Live will DO WELL. Make sense? What I'm getting at is it's probably not the devs and the soldiers working on the game that have to change first.. the first change has to start at the top, well above the pay grade of the people working 80 hours a week there.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "miraculous" place... EA has a TON of money.. enough to buy an NFL License.. its not like bad sales of live (or that Elite 11) travesty would stop them from making a game. They have money and resources to publish Live every year regardless of what happens with the "other game".

You are romanticising something that just doesnt need it.

[El_Poopador]

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Uh... Yes there is. It's called business sense. It's FAR to expensive to make a game of this scope this day and age. And with the market dominated as it is, good luck making any of that money back. It's easy to sit there and say it's easy to do something if your money and livelihood isn't on the line, huh.


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i was speaking in context of the post i quoted.

The only agenda I have on this forum is to make sure EA is not let off the hook anymore with poor efforts like this one. If they cannot make a sound basketball game, then allow another company to take their place in the basketball market to compete with the other company.

let me rephrase my reply to that:

there is nothing that ea is doing that would prevent any other company from making a basketball game.

[jyoung]

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Live is strictly a single player game for me, so the hop step cheese doesn't ruin the game for me.

Even if you have the self-discipline not to use the hop step, the computer players will still use it all the time to clip through your defense and get cheesy layups.

So yes, it ruins the single player modes, too.

[shutdown10]

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i was speaking in context of the post i quoted.



let me rephrase my reply to that:

there is nothing that ea is doing that would prevent any other company from making a basketball game.

No other company has made an NBA sim basketball game in the past 4 years instead of 2k and EA sports. Both those companies have taken a large share of that market, so a third company is not going to come in a over-saturated market that has two games taking all the licenses, market share, and sales from consumers. Sony's last basketball game was in 09, but they axed the title because of low sales and the inability to expand on their game with resources basically taken by the other two companies. Even though EA did not come out with a basketball title for 3 years, they still had their paws on that EA license and still had a contract with the NBA to produce Nba games every year. Do you understand that the contract with the NBA and Espn could have been put to good use elsewhere? EA not putting a game out for three years shortened the market to one NBA basketball game because they still held on to the NBA contract and licenses which are expensive. No other company was going to come in and try to make a basketball game under those circumstances with EA and 2k hogging most of the resources.

[El_Poopador]

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No other company has made a NBA sim basketball game in the past 4 years instead of 2k and EA sports. Both those companies have taken a large share of that market, so a third company is not going to come in a over-saturated market that is has two games taking all the licenses, market share, and sales from consumers. Sony's last basketball game was in 09, but they axed the title because they were not able to expand on their game with resources basically taken by the other two companies. Even though EA did not come with a basketball title for 3 years, they still had their paws on that EA license and had and still had a contract with the NBA to produce Nba games every year. Do you understand that the contract with the NBA and Espn could have been put to good use elsewhere? EA not putting a game out for three years shortened the market to one NBA basketball game because they still held on to the NBA contract and licenses which are expensive. No other company was going to come in and try to make a basketball game under those circumstances with EA and 2k hogging most of the resources.

that makes no sense. the only possible argument you provided was the espn license. but there are plenty of other stations that can be utilized (tnt fox etc.). or they could go with a generic package like 2k has done.

again my argument is that ea is doing nothing to prevent any company from making a game if they wanted. just because they might have a contract with the nba doesnt mean that another company couldnt do the same if they chose to. if they dont want to get into the market then thats their own decision but dont make it sound like they are blocked because of something ea is doing. if i wanted to put the time and resources into making an nba game i could do it.

[JoeDog10]

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Even if you have the self-discipline not to use the hop step, the computer players will still use it all the time to clip through your defense and get cheesy layups.

So yes, it ruins the single player modes, too.

It ruins it for you. I clearly said that it didn't ruin it "for me" while acknowledging the CPU does use the hop step and it gets annoying at times.

I'm done posting in this particular thread. I'm well aware that I shouldn't be enjoying this game. But I'll stick to the impressions thread where there are a handful of other people that are enjoying it.

[shutdown10]

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that makes no sense. the only possible argument you provided was the espn license. but there are plenty of other stations that can be utilized (tnt fox etc.). or they could go with a generic package like 2k has done.

again my argument is that ea is doing nothing to prevent any company from making a game if they wanted. just because they might have a contract with the nba doesnt mean that another company couldnt do the same if they chose to. if they dont want to get into the market then thats their own decision but dont make it sound like they are blocked because of something ea is doing. if i wanted to put the time and resources into making an nba game i could do it.

I don't think you read my whole post carefully. I said EA and 2K basically have the available licenses locked up at the moment, not only EA. 2k has commentators who are contracted with TNT, so the they have that license. Fox is not in NBA basketball, so that would be false license marketing. Give me one license that is available at the moment for a new company to come in and use? Please don't use networks that are not invested in NBA basketball.

[WTF]

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Fox Sports Network

I know Fox Sports Indiana carries the Pacers games, FSOhio carries Cavs games, etc etc etc.

Fox Sports is in the NBA. It goes under FSN.

[El_Poopador]

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I don't think you read my whole post carefully. I said EA and 2K basically have the available licenses locked up at the moment, not only EA. 2k has commentators who are contracted with TNT, so the they have that license. Fox is not in NBA basketball, so that would be false license marketing. Give me one license that is available at the moment for a new company to come in and use? Please don't use networks that are not invested in NBA basketball.

i was referring to fox sports. one of the greatest parts about the pc version of nba 2k is the modding community. plenty of different scorebugs (like tnt and fox sports) to replace the generic one that 2k uses. and again they dont even need an official license as 2k has done just fine without one. as far as commentary there are plenty of options out there. ea and 2k have a combined five commentators in their game. are you trying to tell me there are only five people who broadcast nba games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Basketball_Association_broadcasters#ESPN.2FABC

theres a list of all the possible real life broadcasters.

[Slater James]

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And I'm not sure what you mean by "miraculous" place... EA has a TON of money.. enough to buy an NFL License.. its not like bad sales of live (or that Elite 11) travesty would stop them from making a game. They have money and resources to publish Live every year regardless of what happens with the "other game".

You are romanticising something that just doesnt need it.

What I mean is this, this game should be dead and its not (in terms of gamers giving a damn about its existence). And for reasons that are mostly born of the competition's varied incompetence. I'll hedge my next few statements and keep them as general as possible to avoid confusion.

In the end, if EA puts out a product (and by that I'm talking the game itself to go along with support) that is deemed "good" they will have a lot less trouble than they should getting back in people's consoles. Considering where this franchise has been and where it could have potentially wound up I think thats amazing.


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[Slater James]

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And this "reclaim their place" talk baffles me. It screams of the EA arrogance that is so pervasive in their marketing. As if being the top brand is their entitlement. And some fans buy right into it. I think that's why they don't do **** with their games. They didn't deserve the status and they need to learn how to really earn it in ALL of their titles.


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You're conflating what I've said with this preconceived notion you state. You've misunderstood me.



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[shutdown10]

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i was referring to fox sports. one of the greatest parts about the pc version of nba 2k is the modding community. plenty of different scorebugs (like tnt and fox sports) to replace the generic one that 2k uses. and again they dont even need an official license as 2k has done just fine without one. as far as commentary there are plenty of options out there. ea and 2k have a combined five commentators in their game. are you trying to tell me there are only five people who broadcast nba games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Basketball_Association_broadcasters#ESPN.2FABC

theres a list of all the possible real life broadcasters.

I'm telling you that another company is not going to get into basketball with these two established companies already taking up most of the resources. Look what happen to Madden when NFL 2k bolstered their overall resources in that game. That lead to EA making that deal with the NFL to purchase their license to be the only football game on the market. If a company comes in and makes a generic NBA basketball game, then it will end up like Back breaker, which was a one and done because of very poor sales and no profit. Next a game company will not be able to use those ESPN commentators because they work for Espn. We are in a time where only two sports games from different companies can be allowed in a video game market. NBA live was gone for three years, but they were still under contract with all their licenses. I guarantee you if they would have called it quits three years ago, then another company would have emerged by now to compete with 2k with the void for another basketball game.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'll stand behind my "hyperbole" statement.

I respect it, bro. Stand by your beliefs.

Just know that it's not accurate at all unless you want to point out the things that are in this game that has not been in any Bball game in the last 10 years, which you probably won't but it's cool.

Like I said, I respect it. #dapsup