If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

[Pared]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

I guess you're going to have to post videos from the full game then. I only have the demo to go off of and this game needs much more than what you mention 2k needs to be a "complete" basketball game both on and off the court. Again, this wasn't about 2k... But compare this to even a game like Madden and this game isn't even close to being worthwhile for a "next-gen" title IMHO.

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

I'm posting a ton of videos in the video thread and several in the impressions thread. Those who are liking it are definitely in the minority no doubt. The game has had a ton of negativity surrounding it.

I'm going to be just as vocal with my impressions and the positives that I am seeing with the game play. Hopefully the other respected members who have picked up the game will see the same. I don't want 2 of the same game. This is a totally different animal and I'm glad.

I don't think I have ever had so much fun finding the open man and boxing out. The best thing about it is, when you box out, and time your jump, you're going to get a rebound and not have it mysteriously warp to another player. I've had a few times where I've blocked out to the point that the ball hits the floor because I was focused on keeping my guy off of the glass.

[TheHypeMachine6]

I'm posting a ton of videos in the video thread and several in the impressions thread. Those who are liking it are definitely in the minority no doubt. The game has had a ton of negativity surrounding it.

I'm going to be just as vocal with my impressions and the positives that I am seeing with the game play. Hopefully the other respected members who have picked up the game will see the same. I don't want 2 of the same game. This is a totally different animal and I'm glad.

I don't think I have ever had so much fun finding the open man and boxing out. The best thing about it is, when you box out, and time your jump, you're going to get a rebound and not have it mysteriously warp to another player. I've had a few times where I've blocked out to the point that the ball hits the floor because I was focused on keeping my guy off of the glass.

Are you sure your not an EA Sports Rep? Your defending this game like theres no tomorrow, and after the sub par effort Live turned out to be there might not be! Coming to the defense of this game is as bad as the EA Producers feeding us all the B.S that the game would be "Great" or "Competitive", I'm hearing give this game a chance, well I gave this game the best of 7-8hrs, and if you feel this game is a true replication of an NBA game your kidding yourself, the trust is gone, and IMHO Live has reached its ceiling, if that is their best shot at Next Gen then id scrap it and walk away now. I'm all for competition and yes NBA 2K14 has some noticeable flaws that EA Sports could have jumped on but didn't, geez they saw what they were up against months in advance but remained dormant, IMO i think they knew it would fail, but relied on fans such as WTF & others to promote their game before and after. Sorry b'ball game fans but i think we will be back to 1 game again in 2014-15

[Pared]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

It's really hard to have a discussion or make a case when we have posts littering the forum such as this last one.

Anyway WTF, I don't see what you're seeing. I'm done looking for "potential" in a title. But when you say things like, "I've never had as much fun boxing out or finding the open man..." it makes me scratch my head. These are the same things Live did pretty decently in Live 10. Here we are, a more powerful system and 3 (4?) years later and it's the same old hat.

I'll give the videos a look. Backscreens may be nice, but then I see plenty of standing around and feel the AI is very much "on rails" in its execution.

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Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

The ability to enjoy this game does not excuse the fact that #1 it has sold poorly and #2 it doesn't stack up to any nex gen game at all, even with the advantages of time that has been given over the years.

I for one would never tell EA all this game needs is tweaks when its back in danger of being cancelled again, and that's just where we are.

[TheHypeMachine6]

It's really hard to have a discussion or make a case when we have posts littering the forum such as this last one.

Anyway WTF, I don't see what you're seeing. I'm done looking for "potential" in a title. But when you say things like, "I've never had as much fun boxing out or finding the open man..." it makes me scratch my head. These are the same things Live did pretty decently in Live 10. Here we are, a more powerful system and 3 (4?) years later and it's the same old hat.

I'll give the videos a look. Backscreens may be nice, but then I see plenty of standing around and feel the AI is very much "on rails" in its execution.

I'm not entitled to my opinion?

[DonWuan]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

At the end of the day there is probably no point in posting anything good about Live. Game looks like ****, animations look like **** and they have admitted to the game being subpar. But the graphics whore I am(mainly Pc player) why am I having fun with this game. Game that decided my purchase was from the Demo. Warriors(me) vs OKC, greatest virtual basketball game Ive played since Ben Wallace was on the cover. Those moments when OKC was playing true to themselves, double overtime victory for myself. Never felt cheated, still a little high from that game.


I dont think either game represent basketball simulation. As Live might look uglier doing it, I have about the same amounts of WTF was that type moments in both games.

I do agree with everyone. Everything about this game should/could have been done 100x better. EA has the resources if they were serious about competition. Keep the core, fire the art people and need to see a massive increase in every area of the game.

Side note, I purchased it from Amazon Warehouse for 30ish dollars.

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

Are you sure your not an EA Sports Rep? Your defending this game like theres no tomorrow, and after the sub par effort Live turned out to be there might not be! Coming to the defense of this game is as bad as the EA Producers feeding us all the B.S that the game would be "Great" or "Competitive", I'm hearing give this game a chance, well I gave this game the best of 7-8hrs, and if you feel this game is a true replication of an NBA game your kidding yourself, the trust is gone, and IMHO Live has reached its ceiling, if that is their best shot at Next Gen then id scrap it and walk away now. I'm all for competition and yes NBA 2K14 has some noticeable flaws that EA Sports could have jumped on but didn't, geez they saw what they were up against months in advance but remained dormant, IMO i think they knew it would fail, but relied on fans such as WTF & others to promote their game before and after. Sorry b'ball game fans but i think we will be back to 1 game again in 2014-15

I was pulling for the game before release? During the demo's first release? You should probably be a little more educated before saying they were relying on me prior to release. I hated, HATED the demo with a passion. I played it for about 2-3 hours max, and then deleted it entirely.

The game played poorly. Slow, sluggish, feet dragging in mud. It was not a replication of anything. The ball was leaving the offensive players hands at an incorrect trajectory. It was just a poor excuse of a game. There, I shared your opinion.

HOWEVER, since the "other" title broke for me, I had no place to turn. I redownloaded the demo. And over 2-3 days, I started noticing a difference, day to day. I started looking at the game a little different than the other game. I started trying to learn the game. And wow, I enjoyed it. Is it for everyone? Apparently not. Am I trying to sell you on the game? No I'm not. I could care less if you like it.

Did I know that I'd most likely be ridiculed by the site for enjoying it? Yep. So why did I come and post my opinion? Because I was enjoying the game, after thinking it was complete and utter trash initially. And you know what? Look at some of the new impressions coming forward. They shared the same sentiment. They dismissed the title initially, the other game broke, they had to have somewhere to turn. Picked up the demo again, listened to what I and others were saying, started learning the ropes.

Guess what? Some of their opinions echo mine. If you don't like it, then that's fine. But to try to undermine my opinion as trying to sell the game for EA? I'm a grown man with wife & 2 kids, mortgage payment, good job, I don't need to waste my time trying to convince people that I don't know, that a game is or isn't a turd.

But I've been on the site providing impressions for the past 12+ years, and I know that SOME posters have the same likes/dislikes that I have. So if you don't like my positive impressions, that's fine. They apparently aren't for you.

Feel free to find a thread that you're interested in.

It's really hard to have a discussion or make a case when we have posts littering the forum such as this last one.

Anyway WTF, I don't see what you're seeing. I'm done looking for "potential" in a title. But when you say things like, "I've never had as much fun boxing out or finding the open man..." it makes me scratch my head. These are the same things Live did pretty decently in Live 10. Here we are, a more powerful system and 3 (4?) years later and it's the same old hat.

I'll give the videos a look. Backscreens may be nice, but then I see plenty of standing around and feel the AI is very much "on rails" in its execution.

I'm done looking for potential in a title too. That's why I'm not going back to 2k this year. For everything that it did good (graphics/animations) there were too many things that it did wrong in my eyes (gameplay/AI). Again, that's in my eyes.

The game is as far from on rails as you can get. I try to read a play, or what they should do videogame wise, and I end up getting burnt.

The ability to enjoy this game does not excuse the fact that #1 it has sold poorly and #2 it doesn't stack up to any nex gen game at all, even with the advantages of time that has been given over the years.

I for one would never tell EA all this game needs is tweaks when its back in danger of being cancelled again, and that's just where we are.

Wrong. Graphically speaking it doesn't stand up to any next gen game. That's where it doesn't stack up.

If the game released today, with how the game is playing today, then it wouldn't get the 4.3 from IGN that it received. If it did, I would question it wholeheartedly. That being said, the original demo that was played prior to Synergy kicking in, yes, that game deserved a 4.3. The tendencies, etc did not feel like they were "in" the game, no baseline so to speak.

Every game that I play, is a different experience. You're not looking for the "cheese" that you see in a rubberband AI. You're constantly trying to find a mismatch, pick your spots, put together a string of stops and scores. What I'm not doing, is shaking my head in disbelief that a ball morphed THROUGH 3 of my defenders to allow the CPU to score because the game was determined that it was scoring regardless. If I get a rebound, I know I was in position. If I don't get a rebound, I know that the CPU earned the rebound. It wasn't "given" to them because they were "supposed" to get the rebound.

I'm telling EA that I "get" what they were doing. I wish they would have given learning options to teach you the game. No doubt. It would have helped with a lot of the issues that you saw. I also wish they would have included tendencies from the get-go, because in my eyes it's night and day after the updates.

Again, you all play whatever game you want. I'm just disagreeing with the premise that it has to look radically different than the game I'm playing "now". Not when it first released, but NOW.

[junot18]

is this real? the major gaff the live team made was not including a practice area to learn the controls. but to say the game doesnt resemble basketball is absurd. you get out of the game what you put in. if you try to play it like real basketball then it will play similar to real basketball.

yea it needs a lot of work but this article makes it sound like it does nothing right. i dont want two 2k basketball games. the ball being separate from the players is a huge positive differentiation from 2k as is the ai (a lot of the time. there are definitely some issues that need fixing). what it needs is consistency in direction. they are on the right track with live 14. they need to stay the course and keep moving forward.

You're joking right? This game is trash and you know it, the rest of us know it and EA even admitted it. No truly objective person would defend a sub-par product like this. You must be on the development team! Lol

[shutdown10]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

I was pulling for the game before release? During the demo's first release? You should probably be a little more educated before saying they were relying on me prior to release. I hated, HATED the demo with a passion. I played it for about 2-3 hours max, and then deleted it entirely.

The game played poorly. Slow, sluggish, feet dragging in mud. It was not a replication of anything. The ball was leaving the offensive players hands at an incorrect trajectory. It was just a poor excuse of a game. There, I shared your opinion.

HOWEVER, since the "other" title broke for me, I had no place to turn. I redownloaded the demo. And over 2-3 days, I started noticing a difference, day to day. I started looking at the game a little different than the other game. I started trying to learn the game. And wow, I enjoyed it. Is it for everyone? Apparently not. Am I trying to sell you on the game? No I'm not. I could care less if you like it.

Did I know that I'd most likely be ridiculed by the site for enjoying it? Yep. So why did I come and post my opinion? Because I was enjoying the game, after thinking it was complete and utter trash initially. And you know what? Look at some of the new impressions coming forward. They shared the same sentiment. They dismissed the title initially, the other game broke, they had to have somewhere to turn. Picked up the demo again, listened to what I and others were saying, started learning the ropes.

Guess what? Some of their opinions echo mine. If you don't like it, then that's fine. But to try to undermine my opinion as trying to sell the game for EA? I'm a grown man with wife & 2 kids, mortgage payment, good job, I don't need to waste my time trying to convince people that I don't know, that a game is or isn't a turd.

But I've been on the site providing impressions for the past 12+ years, and I know that SOME posters have the same likes/dislikes that I have. So if you don't like my positive impressions, that's fine. They apparently aren't for you.

Feel free to find a thread that you're interested in.

I'm done looking for potential in a title too. That's why I'm not going back to 2k this year. For everything that it did good (graphics/animations) there were too many things that it did wrong in my eyes (gameplay/AI). Again, that's in my eyes.

The game is as far from on rails as you can get. I try to read a play, or what they should do videogame wise, and I end up getting burnt.



Wrong. Graphically speaking it doesn't stand up to any next gen game. That's where it doesn't stack up.

If the game released today, with how the game is playing today, then it wouldn't get the 4.3 from IGN that it received. If it did, I would question it wholeheartedly. That being said, the original demo that was played prior to Synergy kicking in, yes, that game deserved a 4.3. The tendencies, etc did not feel like they were "in" the game, no baseline so to speak.

Every game that I play, is a different experience. You're not looking for the "cheese" that you see in a rubberband AI. You're constantly trying to find a mismatch, pick your spots, put together a string of stops and scores. What I'm not doing, is shaking my head in disbelief that a ball morphed THROUGH 3 of my defenders to allow the CPU to score because the game was determined that it was scoring regardless. If I get a rebound, I know I was in position. If I don't get a rebound, I know that the CPU earned the rebound. It wasn't "given" to them because they were "supposed" to get the rebound.

I'm telling EA that I "get" what they were doing. I wish they would have given learning options to teach you the game. No doubt. It would have helped with a lot of the issues that you saw. I also wish they would have included tendencies from the get-go, because in my eyes it's night and day after the updates.

Again, you all play whatever game you want. I'm just disagreeing with the premise that it has to look radically different than the game I'm playing "now". Not when it first released, but NOW.

If you are seeing so much promise in this franchise, then you should provide alot of helpful feedback to that Live development team so they can make Live 15 a true next gen experience. Defending your experiences with the game is not going to change the sales numbers for this game. I advise you to get on twitter with Scott O Gallagher and Sean O Brien to provide great feedback to them if they are allowed to make Live 15

[junot18]

I was pulling for the game before release? During the demo's first release? You should probably be a little more educated before saying they were relying on me prior to release. I hated, HATED the demo with a passion. I played it for about 2-3 hours max, and then deleted it entirely.

The game played poorly. Slow, sluggish, feet dragging in mud. It was not a replication of anything. The ball was leaving the offensive players hands at an incorrect trajectory. It was just a poor excuse of a game. There, I shared your opinion.

HOWEVER, since the "other" title broke for me, I had no place to turn. I redownloaded the demo. And over 2-3 days, I started noticing a difference, day to day. I started looking at the game a little different than the other game. I started trying to learn the game. And wow, I enjoyed it. Is it for everyone? Apparently not. Am I trying to sell you on the game? No I'm not. I could care less if you like it.

Did I know that I'd most likely be ridiculed by the site for enjoying it? Yep. So why did I come and post my opinion? Because I was enjoying the game, after thinking it was complete and utter trash initially. And you know what? Look at some of the new impressions coming forward. They shared the same sentiment. They dismissed the title initially, the other game broke, they had to have somewhere to turn. Picked up the demo again, listened to what I and others were saying, started learning the ropes.

Guess what? Some of their opinions echo mine. If you don't like it, then that's fine. But to try to undermine my opinion as trying to sell the game for EA? I'm a grown man with wife & 2 kids, mortgage payment, good job, I don't need to waste my time trying to convince people that I don't know, that a game is or isn't a turd.

But I've been on the site providing impressions for the past 12+ years, and I know that SOME posters have the same likes/dislikes that I have. So if you don't like my positive impressions, that's fine. They apparently aren't for you.

Feel free to find a thread that you're interested in.

I'm done looking for potential in a title too. That's why I'm not going back to 2k this year. For everything that it did good (graphics/animations) there were too many things that it did wrong in my eyes (gameplay/AI). Again, that's in my eyes.

The game is as far from on rails as you can get. I try to read a play, or what they should do videogame wise, and I end up getting burnt.



Wrong. Graphically speaking it doesn't stand up to any next gen game. That's where it doesn't stack up.

If the game released today, with how the game is playing today, then it wouldn't get the 4.3 from IGN that it received. If it did, I would question it wholeheartedly. That being said, the original demo that was played prior to Synergy kicking in, yes, that game deserved a 4.3. The tendencies, etc did not feel like they were "in" the game, no baseline so to speak.

Every game that I play, is a different experience. You're not looking for the "cheese" that you see in a rubberband AI. You're constantly trying to find a mismatch, pick your spots, put together a string of stops and scores. What I'm not doing, is shaking my head in disbelief that a ball morphed THROUGH 3 of my defenders to allow the CPU to score because the game was determined that it was scoring regardless. If I get a rebound, I know I was in position. If I don't get a rebound, I know that the CPU earned the rebound. It wasn't "given" to them because they were "supposed" to get the rebound.

I'm telling EA that I "get" what they were doing. I wish they would have given learning options to teach you the game. No doubt. It would have helped with a lot of the issues that you saw. I also wish they would have included tendencies from the get-go, because in my eyes it's night and day after the updates.

Again, you all play whatever game you want. I'm just disagreeing with the premise that it has to look radically different than the game I'm playing "now". Not when it first released, but NOW.

I guess you're waaaayyyyy more "cerebral" than the rest of us....

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

If you are seeing so much promise in this franchise, then you should provide alot of helpful feedback to that Live development team so they can make Live 15 a true next gen experience. Defending your experiences with the game is not going to change the sales numbers for this game. I advise you to get on twitter with Scott O Gallagher and Sean O Brien to provide great feedback to them if they are allowed to make Live 15

I'm providing my feedback through a public forum here.

It's much more helpful than saying "This game sucks..." "RIP Live".... "2k all the way".

What do those type of comments do? Nothing. If you all want to play the game, and post some thoughts on how to expand and make the game better, then by all means, do so.

What I see, is what I'm posting on. That's it. EASports_AJ is here on OS, and taking things to the dev team. I'm posting constructive criticisms both here and in private through several different channels.

I don't want what 2k is offering right now. Do I wish Live had their graphics? For the most part, yes. Do I wish they had their animations? For the most part, yes, UNLESS it was at the sacrifice of gameplay.

Feel free to disagree. But don't bash other members for seeing something differently than you do. And don't tell me to "help" the EA Sports team by not sharing my feelings on the game. If I'm sharing my thoughts, and it's what appeals to "me", then I'm content. I'm not in the majority, and I'll take that. I want a dynamic basketball game. I don't want a game that I know the outcome before I finish the game.

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

Hilarious how almost every thread that you chime in on if impressions aren't in line with yours we are the issue/clueless. Lol

You do know that our opinions have about the same weight as yours on forums right??

It's cool Boilerbuzz if you don't like the game.

Sorry. Did I offend you with a fair question? I didn't say anyone was clueless. I just asked how did he draw his conclusion. That's it. Beyond that, 20k units sold makes quite a statement: people don't seem to like the game. You don't know what my opinion really is. I don't come in here to trash the game. I come to see how others are enjoying it so that I can maximize my investment. Regardless if you or I have the same opinion of the game, it shouldn't affect anyone's ability to answer my question, if they so choose.


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Wrong. Graphically speaking it doesn't stand up to any next gen game. That's where it doesn't stack up.

Graphically the game is a fail, and that doesn't even need to be said point blank because everyone knows it, and thats not the point.

This game looks like something that should've been released 3 or 4 years ago not matter what kind of pink elephant is in the room about it. Either EA knew something was wrong with it because they hid is just like they did Elite and with Live 2007, or they thought this game was good enough to make sales to sustain the budget and that's even scarier.

If the game released today, with how the game is playing today, then it wouldn't get the 4.3 from IGN that it received. If it did, I would question it wholeheartedly. That being said, the original demo that was played prior to Synergy kicking in, yes, that game deserved a 4.3. The tendencies, etc did not feel like they were "in" the game, no baseline so to speak.

Look man, I know about Synergy. Its not new, its been in 2 other previous iterations of this series, and that still didn't stop it from being cancelled. NBA Inside Drive which did this thing much better over a decade ago died and left the scene. Many of us loved that series and that started the whole tendency revolution, but even that game didn't last.

Secondly synergy is not the be all end all, which is why I had to edit Live 10 until my fingers turned blue. Its much more than a tendency data driven game in the background.... and frankly with as much time as they had, if this is the best they can crank out I wouldn't be surprised to see more articles like this and any less than stellar reviews in the future. It wasn't just IGN, it wasn't just OS, and it wasn't just Gamespot, it was just about everybody out there... and if you think this game will continue to survive on that get ready to be let down again.

Every game that I play, is a different experience. You're not looking for the "cheese" that you see in a rubberband AI. You're constantly trying to find a mismatch, pick your spots, put together a string of stops and scores. What I'm not doing, is shaking my head in disbelief that a ball morphed THROUGH 3 of my defenders to allow the CPU to score because the game was determined that it was scoring regardless. If I get a rebound, I know I was in position. If I don't get a rebound, I know that the CPU earned the rebound. It wasn't "given" to them because they were "supposed" to get the rebound.

I'm telling EA that I "get" what they were doing. I wish they would have given learning options to teach you the game. No doubt. It would have helped with a lot of the issues that you saw. I also wish they would have included tendencies from the get-go, because in my eyes it's night and day after the updates.

Again, you all play whatever game you want. I'm just disagreeing with the premise that it has to look radically different than the game I'm playing "now". Not when it first released, but NOW.[/QUOTE]

Now or later I think your enjoyment of this game is hampering you from seeing that it probably won't last in its current state. I know you disagree, im telling you with a sales number that low a large company wont continue to dump resources into a game costing them so much money.

[Boilerbuzz]

If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

I'm providing my feedback through a public forum here.

It's much more helpful than saying "This game sucks..." "RIP Live".... "2k all the way".

What do those type of comments do? Nothing. If you all want to play the game, and post some thoughts on how to expand and make the game better, then by all means, do so.

What I see, is what I'm posting on. That's it. EASports_AJ is here on OS, and taking things to the dev team. I'm posting constructive criticisms both here and in private through several different channels.

I don't want what 2k is offering right now. Do I wish Live had their graphics? For the most part, yes. Do I wish they had their animations? For the most part, yes, UNLESS it was at the sacrifice of gameplay.

Feel free to disagree. But don't bash other members for seeing something differently than you do. And don't tell me to "help" the EA Sports team by not sharing my feelings on the game. If I'm sharing my thoughts, and it's what appeals to "me", then I'm content. I'm not in the majority, and I'll take that. I want a dynamic basketball game. I don't want a game that I know the outcome before I finish the game.

You used quite a few words to say you're more willing to forgive Live for its issues, than you are willing to forgive 2k for its issues. I'm sure you have your reasons. It just seems like a personal crusade. You keep talking about how they "broke your game". But that is neither here nor there.

A person can take ANY game and get the experience they desire out of it. Some of you really seem to turn a blind eye to the bad basketball that is played in the game. Much of which have been documented. Yet, you shrug your shoulders and move forward and rejoice in the good. And, I say that is exactly how you should play your games. It just seems you're going overboard when it comes to this game.

No one is saying that you have to help out the Live developers with feedback. But if you truly enjoy the game that much, why not?


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