If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

I disagree, but in the end, you're happy one way, I'm happy the other. I see a TON of ID type of AI here, you possibly not so much.

I can play the other game all I want, I just can't play my old saves. I won't restart again, nor would I want to at the moment. But regardless, we have two options. I guess I will start my own OS NBA Live 14 Veterans League, and be the only one playing

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm sorry, no disrespect intended, but there is a little copping out going on. I get the point, if you're happy with what you're playing then that's all that matters for you. Don't disagree with that at all. You're happy, cool. But this "I see great AI here, you don't" narrative is just silly. This isn't a subjective matter. Either the AI responds like NBA players should or it doesn't. Either you know what you're looking at and he doesn't or vice versa. This is like someone backing out of arguing against a fact by saying it's their opinion that the fact is wrong.

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Too generic to be anything like ID

But like I said for a game that did sim much better got canned whats the end for this

Galaxy Note 2

[WTF]

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Go back through the past umpteen pages King... I've supported my argument. I'm seeing stuff that SHOULD have been in NBA games but wasn't for the past 10 years. Guys are hitting their spots, just like in the NBA. I'm not getting some crazy *** plays just because the guy is "supposed" to get his stats. They're executing.

I'm tired of arguing it against people who don't see it. I see it, several others who are retrying the game, or picking it up for the first time, are seeing it. Some aren't. I can't explain it. You can't explain it. We all perceive things differently, and apparently that's happening here and with this game.

It wasn't good initially. I'll concede that. It wasn't NBA basketball, and it was very little of basketball period to begin with. But there have been serious improvements that make this game a game that I want to play.

No cop out, no backing out of an argument, but I have a real life, and I don't have time to continue the back and forth. I want to play the game. I want to have time with my wife and kids after work, alongside playing a game without having to explain why I prefer it.

It is a subjective matter. In the right hands, the game plays really well. Like several others have posted in the impressions thread, the game looks better once you learn the controls. I can't sit here and type out each possession of a game to tell you all what I'm seeing.

It'd be a cop out to say, "yeah, I'm not seeing the AI either..." Even though I obviously am. It's perception. Perception is reality. Different strokes for different folks. I guess the old adage is true

[WTF]

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Too generic to be anything like ID

But like I said for a gane that did sim much better got canned whats the end for this

Galaxy Note 2

Okay Dre. Your perception. I shall disagree in private.

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Okay Dre. Your perception. I shall disagree in private.

Im trying hard to stick to the thread op not really argue how I feel about this game. You and I have plenty of bball knowledge enough to go over nuances but what im continually pointing out is not what you do or don't like about this game or what you do or dont see..in this thread anyway.

On its own merit alot of stuff is recycled some could be argued the same better and some worse than inthe past and in that case if this is the best they can do I dont see it lasting long. For technology advances and what we are on now this is a poor showing overall and for the most part the excuses have hit an all time high.

If the subject gets too far off of the subject I'm out of the convo



Galaxy Note 2

[Pared]

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Ok, I have to know: what are you seeing here that has not been done in basketball games in the past 10 years?

I can't help but take away the hyperbole from such a statement. If the game was doing this to such a great degree more people would be seeing it. Not just the randoms that join OS and disappear; You're seeing long time bball video game vets scratching their head at these types of praises.

I helped where I could in bringing out the best of Live back 2005. I hated myself for not buying an Xbox just for ID. This title isn't anywhere close to that level from what I've seen.

I'm still just trying to see what you're seeing, that's all. I'm skeptical but what you're praising I'm pretty sure was in Live '10. Nothing "revolutionary" as far as I can tell.

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

Fluid movement during possessions. AI that branches and feels like an opponent. Possessions that branch when they break down. Graphics. Lol.

[JBulls]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

Fluid movement during possessions.

Fluid movements as in fluid animations or players moving without the ball? or both?

[WTF]

Re: If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

Players moving without the ball. Doing the right things without being instructed to. Teammate AI.

[kennyacid]

live will never be complete because ea keeps knocking down the bricks during construction. Never gonna get anywhere by doing that. I hope next game they just built on what they have now. Most of it is under the hood but it's a start.

[DogWillHunt]

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I play on the Xbox One and there has definitely been improvement with graphics and performance, beginning about 3 or 4 days ago.

When I bought the game, Joakim Noah looked like a pasty ninja from a PS2 game. He now looks passable. I can imagine they did this with quite a few players.

I can also say that performance has improved as the low baseline camera no longer chugs as much as it did in the release.

I can also confidently say that they have been adding animations here and there. The passing / catching is not nearly as terrible as it was on release. There seems to be more block / rebound / jump animations as well. It's still not nearly enough, but it's apparent to me anyhow.

The lighting has also been tweaked a bit. It seems like the 'volume' has been dialed up a bit on the ambient occlusion and the reflected light from the court onto the players' jersey. (Try looking at a replay of a white jersey and watch what happens when the player is on top of a colorful logo or something.)

Now, don't quote me on this, but I also think that the baked wrinkles in the jerseys have been redesigned. It no longer brings back horrors of NBA Elite 11, anyways.

Now, that said, graphically, it is still not passable IMO. Fifa is a passable looking Next Gen title... barely. NBA Live needs to, at the very least, achieve something to that standard.

'Under the hood', this is the best basketball game I have ever played. I'm actually fairly decent at it because I know the game of basketball, not because I know the video game ala 2K.

The problem is that I can't play it for very long because it looks so awful.

The Player Models need to be redone entirely, IMO.

[Boilerbuzz]

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'Under the hood', this is the best basketball game I have ever played. I'm actually fairly decent at it because I know the game of basketball, not because I know the video game ala 2K.

The problem is that I can't play it for very long because it looks so awful.

First sign that the thread is dying: the parrots come out.

[ifitbeginsitends]

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I have been playing the game since release, I must say this is a really good BASKETBALL game! the game is getting better and better! substance-wise its there. it is too much to write but I really really really like this game. it always seems fresh too. I have been playing the rising star season and its strange because I swear its like every team has a scouting report and a plan... the A.I is looking to attack weaknesses and if you run a play really well they try to take it away. and you can't really cheese too much. except in the post. its like the defender gets stuck when the offensive opponent spins.. like pulling the chair should be more responsive. the live team should be commended for being so brave... they took a chance by taking the game off of rails... it doesn't feel scripted at all... I haven't been able to say that about the compitetion

[shutdown10]

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I'm just glad that we have other review websites and other social media to let EA know that this is not going to cut it anymore. Lets just say I'm happy this is not the only place EA will get feedback from, because the game would never improve looking at the comments this past week. We cannot let them off the hook for this effort. My friend bought this game around Launch, and he got tired of it so he tried to trade it in yesterday, and was only offered 13 dollars from Gamestop. That lets you know this game has a very poor demand in the market. I suggest to all you guys who bought the game to hold on to your copies, because you will not even get 15 dollars credit for it if you try to trade it in now. EA needs to lower the price for this game because that is robbery on the trade in price.