Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

The shorts shouldn't go THAT far up a dude's legs in a hunch. Mario is hunching in the picture behind LeBron that you posted and his shorts aren't looking like John Stockton. The position Lillard is dribbling shouldn't raise the shorts that much up his legs. He's not bent far enough for that type of positioning.

He was making it out like 14 nailed the shorts and Live 10 didn't by saying something that wasn't even true. So I'm going to hold 14's shorts to that perfect standard.





Live 10's uniforms were on point for that timeframe of the NBA. Can we get away from trying to downplay other games to prop this one up on things that it does well or poorly.

[WTF]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

I could care less about Live 10. I'm commenting on your position on Live 14's shorts being too tiny, with evidence of my own that it's not. I'm supporting my statement.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

The shorts shouldn't go THAT far up a dude's legs in a hunch. Mario is hunching in the picture behind LeBron that you posted and his shorts aren't looking like John Stockton. The position Lillard is dribbling shouldn't raise the shorts that much up his legs. He's not bent far enough for that type of positioning.

He was making it out like 14 nailed the shorts and Live 10 didn't by saying something that wasn't even true. So I'm going to hold 14's shorts to that perfect standard.





Live 10's uniforms were on point for that timeframe of the NBA. Can we get away from trying to downplay other games to prop this one up on things that it does well or poorly.

i was just stating my opinion on how the uniforms looked in live 10 compared to live 14. even in the pics you just posted his shorts are too long (they go all the way to where his knee bends in the live 10 pic but stop above the bend irl). but i will post this example showing that the shorts were way too big.



when have you ever seen dwight wear shorts that big?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Everybody in the league doesn't wear their shorts that small, just like everybody doesn't wear their jerseys tight. In 14 everyone is wearing tight jerseys and shorts. By that definition alone it's off. Not saying it's a terrible job because for the guys like Harden as you showed, it's right. But for a Kobe Bryant, it's wrong. In the picture of LeBron you showed, look at Mario's shorts in the background. Look at how long and baggy his shorts are. When he hunches and bends, his shorts are not moving that high up his legs. Even LeBron in the picture, the shorts are off in 14 from your "evidence" because the shorts in the game are tighter than LeBron is wearing them, therefore it's off.

You don't care about Live 10, cool, the discussion wasn't with you though and that's why it started.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

i was just stating my opinion on how the uniforms looked in live 10 compared to live 14. even in the pics you just posted his shorts are too long (they go all the way to where his knee bends in the live 10 pic but stop above the bend irl). but i will post this example showing that the shorts were way too big.



when have you ever seen dwight wear shorts that big?

When have you ever seen Kobe wear shorts that small?

[El_Poopador]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

When have you ever seen Kobe wear shorts that small?

true they do need different sizes for different players. but more players wear them tighter like lebron than loose like kobe. in any case that pic i posted of live 10 dwight was way bigger than any player wears even kobe.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

true they do need different sizes for different players. but more players wear them tighter like lebron than loose like kobe. in any case that pic i posted of live 10 dwight was way bigger than any player wears even kobe.

And more players wore their shorts big than Dwight tight in Live 10.

Spoiler

Since we're playing the hunched over/angles game. Let's look at those pictures of 10's shorts.
We're in agreement though that 10 needed to have different sizes for the few guys that wore their stuff tighter and 14 needs baggier options cause not everybody is wearing Under Armor tight looking stuff? Definitely different than the picture you were originally painting, no?

[WTF]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

We can stop with the back and forth. Nobody is convincing anyone of anything.

One thing I do like about Live 10, and always have, is the color palette and lighting in the game. Hopefully they can patch some of that into Live 14.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

And more players wore their shorts big than Dwight tight in Live 10.

Spoiler

Since we're playing the hunched over/angles game. Let's look at those pictures of 10's shorts.
We're in agreement though that 10 needed to have different sizes for the few guys that wore their stuff tighter and 14 needs baggier options cause not everybody is wearing Under Armor tight looking stuff? Definitely different than the picture you were originally painting, no?

not sure where youre getting "under armour" tight. live 14s is closer to the majority than live 10s. there are a few outliers obviously and i think different fits is needed in the future but they way their uniforms fit in live 14 looks closer to the real nba than live 10s.

[WTF]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Since we're playing the hunched over/angles game. Let's look at those pictures of 10's shorts.
We're in agreement though that 10 needed to have different sizes for the few guys that wore their stuff tighter and 14 needs baggier options cause not everybody is wearing Under Armor tight looking stuff? Definitely different than the picture you were originally painting, no?

Better hunch fit? It all has to do with the movement prior to the hunch.


I don't know where you're buying your under armor at, but if your under armor fits like the screens above, I think it's probably knock off. Joking of course.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Earlier I was going to post about how BS side by side wasn't a true comparison....but popping Live 10 in, it actually does pop a little more...combined with the fact that players make moves that actually look like basketball moves I can see why someone would say it looks the same/better....

Those two man animations were the worst though...

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Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Earlier I was going to post about how BS side by side wasn't a true comparison....but popping Live 10 in, it actually does pop a little more...combined with the fact that players make moves that actually look like basketball moves I can see why someone would say it looks the same/better....

Those two man animations were the worst though...

Live 10, they changed the lighting in a patch because it was either too light or too dark I can't remember...I think it was too light initially because guys like LeBron and Dwight were lighter than what they were supposed to be.

What was the big deal about Live 10 Models were how they tried to vary body sizes, because before that all of those rail thin player models looked awful

[thatdudetoo]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

In my best Allen Iverson voice, "Shorts, shorts? We're talking about shorts? We not talkin' about the game, we talking about shorts? Seriously, shorts? Not the game, not about the actual game, but we talkin' about shorts?"

lol

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Better hunch fit? It all has to do with the movement prior to the hunch.


I don't know where you're buying your under armor at, but if your under armor fits like the screens above, I think it's probably knock off. Joking of course.

Didn't you say no more back and forth? I'm going to leave it alone cause obviously we aren't convincing each other of anything.

[loadleft]

Re: Graphically, the game doesn't look as bad as people say.

Always knew I was in the minority as far as what I want out of a game. Thank goodness for at least one more year a Dev didn't choose graphics over game play. I liked Live 10 but the one thing I hated more than any other thing was what we referred to as "Suction D"! I don't know much about programming but I'd imagine it was quite an undertaking to replace all the suction or two man animations that both games have depended on for so many years. Again I really don't know if that's accurate but I'm guessing based on the fact that until now everyone relied on it 100% of the time. To me now Live 14 is down to maybe 40%, I guess.


For me I'll take "ugly" in lieu of loss of control at any point. That said Live 14 still has many instances of control loss but it is a huge improvement over Live 10 in that regard. That alone for me is next gen, after that gen, or whatever. I think the under the hood stuff should be the focus, they can put a dress on it once they get rid of all the bacon! Until they get all the game play worked out, fancy graphics/animations would just be a pig with a dress.