NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

[KingTocco]

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I appreciate you coming here and posting the changes and actually listening to our feedback. With that being said, the ratings are still really bad IMO. Some of the changes make no sense and a lot of players are extremely overrated. How is Martell Webster an 81? You're telling me he's as good as Kemba Walker...and that Andre Miller is a 78. He's only 3 points worse than Kemba? That's just an example. Also, how is Otto Porter Jr. even in the 70s? He is literally so bad and has hardly even played. He should be like a 65 at best

[_Fernando]

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Just curious Dirk is really close to having a 50/40/90 season arguably one of the most effecient years of his career but he's getting a decline in ratings while D.Blair is getting a boost up.....

Blair has been basically the same player all year for Dallas in fact IMO he's probably regressed since his hot start back in November and December.

If these changes were specifically geared towards 3-PT, MId range and FT % I'm curious to know why Dirk was reduced downwards and Blair boosted upwards????

Dirk must've been one of those guys right on the border between 85 and 86.
His 3pt dropped by 4 points to an 80 since he was shooting around 37%

I was bummed to see him go down since he's playing great this year. But, an 85 is still good and there are still more ratings to calculate!

Blair's got a small bump in some categories. It's looking he was also a borderline player who could've gone either way.

[_Fernando]

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I appreciate you coming here and posting the changes and actually listening to our feedback. With that being said, the ratings are still really bad IMO. Some of the changes make no sense and a lot of players are extremely overrated. How is Martell Webster an 81? You're telling me he's as good as Kemba Walker...and that Andre Miller is a 78. He's only 3 points worse than Kemba? That's just an example. Also, how is Otto Porter Jr. even in the 70s? He is literally so bad and has hardly even played. He should be like a 65 at best

What do you have against the Wizards?

But seriously, you're right. The overall ratings are not reflective of how those players are performing. But..... I don't change ratings based on how I feel a player is performing. I change it based on data from the NBA and Synergy.

The overall rating is based on the categorical ratings. The last update changed all of the 3pt, mid range, free throw and onball defense ratings. So, I wouldn't focus too much on the overall right now since there are still many things that need to be adjusted but, instead focus on the categories. If Webster and Kemba had the same dribble rating, that'd be a bigger concern for me right now.

So, the first goal is to get all the categorical ratings close to accurate. Once that's done I'm going to look hard at the overall to make sure player performance is accurately represented by the overall.

The Otto Porter situation is interesting since he hasn't played enough to make any big changes but, every time he plays his rating has dropped slowly. He started off at an 80 for some reason.

Andre Miller has been in a similar situation. I'm expecting them to drop in the next update.

I don't know if it's the answer you're looking for but, hopefully you can understand what I'm trying to do.

Good questions! Thanks for the feedback

[Ermolli]

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You bring up a good point. This could almost be it's own discussion, which is "What should an overall rating be communicating to you?"

Obviously, trying to make ratings better here. I'd like to hear some thoughts on what an overall rating should convey when you see it? Should it be weighted by position they play? Be an average of all their ratings? Signify that someone has an elite skill(s)?

Let me know what you think and give some examples.

I don't know if it'd be possible but I'd like maybe an overall based on the team playing style from the team like NFL Head Coach 09 had. It'd add more challenge to the dynasty mode besides it'd be closer to what happens to NBA GMs, for instance a player is having a great year and he has a good rating for that team and another GM takes a gamble and sign him expecting similar results only for him not playing the same because of playing on a different system.

Also, I don't think ratings should change by position, the NBA is changing and positions aren't as "strict" as it was before, more SF are playing as PF and PF as C, there there are more combo guards instead of traditional PG and SG, for example.

As what should happen with overall ratings, I don't know how it should be but it needs to separate players from what they're; elite, superstars, all-stars, good roleplayers, roleplayers and journeymen.

[KingTocco]

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What do you have against the Wizards?

But seriously, you're right. The overall ratings are not reflective of how those players are performing. But..... I don't change ratings based on how I feel a player is performing. I change it based on data from the NBA and Synergy.

The overall rating is based on the categorical ratings. The last update changed all of the 3pt, mid range, free throw and onball defense ratings. So, I wouldn't focus too much on the overall right now since there are still many things that need to be adjusted but, instead focus on the categories. If Webster and Kemba had the same dribble rating, that'd be a bigger concern for me right now.

So, the first goal is to get all the categorical ratings close to accurate. Once that's done I'm going to look hard at the overall to make sure player performance is accurately represented by the overall.

The Otto Porter situation is interesting since he hasn't played enough to make any big changes but, every time he plays his rating has dropped slowly. He started off at an 80 for some reason.

Andre Miller has been in a similar situation. I'm expecting them to drop in the next update.

I don't know if it's the answer you're looking for but, hopefully you can understand what I'm trying to do.

Good questions! Thanks for the feedback

I understand, I appreciate your honest feedback. I wasn't trying to attack the ratings, I was just more puzzled than anything. One of the reasons I think sports games are so hard to make (realistically) is due to the ratings system. I think that sometimes ratings are opinion based and some might rate others higher or lower than some one else but there can usually be a general consensus.

I do think has an advantage against 2K in this regard because it seems you actually ARE updating the players. Some people in 2K have had the same rating since 2K12 (aka Tyson Chandler).

Haha I guess it seemed like I was attacking the Wizards, have nothing against them. I understand not seeing Otto Porter Jr. play so it's hard to judge him, however he must not be playing much for a reason. I think you are definitely on the right track with these ratings and once again I appreciate your hard work and communication.

Thanks Fernando

[_Fernando]

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I don't know if it'd be possible but I'd like maybe an overall based on the team playing style from the team like NFL Head Coach 09 had. It'd add more challenge to the dynasty mode besides it'd be closer to what happens to NBA GMs, for instance a player is having a great year and he has a good rating for that team and another GM takes a gamble and sign him expecting similar results only for him not playing the same because of playing on a different system.

Also, I don't think ratings should change by position, the NBA is changing and positions aren't as "strict" as it was before, more SF are playing as PF and PF as C, there there are more combo guards instead of traditional PG and SG, for example.

As what should happen with overall ratings, I don't know how it should be but it needs to separate players from what they're; elite, superstars, all-stars, good roleplayers, roleplayers and journeymen.

Good ideas on breaking down players based on what systems that would best be suited for them.

I see what you're saying since positions seem to mean less and less each season.

So, you're saying you'd like to see players broken into tiers, like.. "Lebron is elite" "Bryant is now down to a superstar" and "AD has risen to an All-Star level" instead of just seeing numbers?

Either way, something worth thinking about.

Thanks!

[_Fernando]

Re: NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

I understand, I appreciate your honest feedback. I wasn't trying to attack the ratings, I was just more puzzled than anything. One of the reasons I think sports games are so hard to make (realistically) is due to the ratings system. I think that sometimes ratings are opinion based and some might rate others higher or lower than some one else but there can usually be a general consensus.

I do think has an advantage against 2K in this regard because it seems you actually ARE updating the players. Some people in 2K have had the same rating since 2K12 (aka Tyson Chandler).

Haha I guess it seemed like I was attacking the Wizards, have nothing against them. I understand not seeing Otto Porter Jr. play so it's hard to judge him, however he must not be playing much for a reason. I think you are definitely on the right track with these ratings and once again I appreciate your hard work and communication.

Thanks Fernando

It's all good!

You brought up valid questions!

And you're right, ratings are mostly opinion based and we're trying to get away from that. And it can be a little rough when the opinion doesn't match the data (Ray Allen at an 80 3pt anyone?)

And you're right for calling me out on Booker and Kemba. The next update will be overhauling a few more ratings for ALL of the players by using the data we gather from Synergy and the NBA. It'll remove more opinion from the process and make it easier to get large and frequent amounts of updates out. Hopefully, everyone will be closer to falling where they should and I hope to hear from you guys if it doesn't look right.

Sound good?

[Ermolli]

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Good ideas on breaking down players based on what systems that would best be suited for them.

I see what you're saying since positions seem to mean less and less each season.

So, you're saying you'd like to see players broken into tiers, like.. "Lebron is elite" "Bryant is now down to a superstar" and "AD has risen to an All-Star level" instead of just seeing numbers?

Either way, something worth thinking about.

Thanks!

What I was trying to mean isn't to separate players in categories instead of ratings, I was trying to say that when you compare a roleplayer from an all-star you should differentiate them easily by their overall ratings. Just as an example elite players overall could go from 95 to 93, superstars from 92 to 88, all-stars from 87 to 80, good roleplayers from 79 to 71, other roleplayers from 70 to 63, benchwarmers from 62 to 50. It isn't necessarily for you to put in the game the overall ratings tiers but people should now where's who so the "X is under/overrated" comments don't happen that often.

[KingTocco]

Re: NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

It's all good!

You brought up valid questions!

And you're right, ratings are mostly opinion based and we're trying to get away from that. And it can be a little rough when the opinion doesn't match the data (Ray Allen at an 80 3pt anyone?)

And you're right for calling me out on Booker and Kemba. The next update will be overhauling a few more ratings for ALL of the players by using the data we gather from Synergy and the NBA. It'll remove more opinion from the process and make it easier to get large and frequent amounts of updates out. Hopefully, everyone will be closer to falling where they should and I hope to hear from you guys if it doesn't look right.

Sound good?

Sounds great, thanks again. Can't wait for Live 15

[RedRaiderX]

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Hi Fernando, the community really appreciates what you're doing here. It's really a great thing and we appreciate it greatly.

I have one question; and you may be able to answer it and you may not (it may be someone elses department or you guys may be bound because its a feature.)

Will we have the ability to create players and edit rosters for ourselves for NBA Live 15??

It will be a day one purchase for me if so.

I understand if you can't talk about it or if it's someone elses department but I'm sure many of my fellow gamers would like to know that as well.

Thanks again for doing what you're doing. I applaud you and your team members for being open with us.

[_Fernando]

Re: NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

Hi Fernando, the community really appreciates what you're doing here. It's really a great thing and we appreciate it greatly.

I have one question; and you may be able to answer it and you may not (it may be someone elses department or you guys may be bound because its a feature.)

Will we have the ability to create players and edit rosters for ourselves for NBA Live 15??

It will be a day one purchase for me if so.

I understand if you can't talk about it or if it's someone elses department but I'm sure many of my fellow gamers would like to know that as well.

Thanks again for doing what you're doing. I applaud you and your team members for being open with us.

We have not made any decisions on those types of features yet.

Sorry I can't answer your question at this time.

[RedRaiderX]

Re: NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

Thanks Fernando; I figured it might be something you guys hadn't decided on or could talk about right now. It's something I'm hoping you all will consider (its been a standard feature for years) and I know fans like me (who like to create themselves former or current teammates who are in college or the D-League) would really covet the addition. I appreciate you getting back to us and your honesty. Hoping you'll throw the idea in at your next production meeting.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Ray Allen with 80 3 pt would be weird but he's more clutch , hits more contested threes , than most other 80 3 pt shooters lol.

[_Fernando]

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Ray Allen with 80 3 pt would be weird but he's more clutch , hits more contested threes , than most other 80 3 pt shooters lol.

It is weird looking but, numbers don't lie.

There is small clutch factor that's under the hood for some of the players, including him.

[Ermolli]

Re: NBA Live Roster/Ratings Guy here

I've one doubt, do coaches have ratings on Live? I know each have different strategies for their team but I believe they need to have ratings and tendencies (does Synergy track that for them?) which would difference great coaches like Popovich from the rest. Maybe ratings could be offense, defense, ability to make adjustments, plays after timeouts, late game strategy just to name a few and some tendencies like bench rotation, time they give to rest to their starters, offensive sets they use for example.