Ratings by position.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Ratings by position.

Dude not a single list you can pull up has Ibaka or Drummond ranked higher than either of those two goats....

Based on last year Dirk was one the most efficient NBA players in the league despite being 35 years old.

His per was superior to Ibaka's so I'm not sure what you mean by last year or any year for that matter.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/pf

Going into last year despite coming off injuries:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013-09-26/nba-rankings-power-forward-tim-duncan-blake-griffin-dirk-nowitzki-kevin-love/slide/1

http://www.si.com/2013/09/19/top-100-players-of-2014-nos-20-11/

Based on last year for the following 3 links:

http://fansided.com/2014/08/06/nba-power-rankings-5-best-power-forwards/4/#!bEpfKb

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1895408-ranking-the-top-10-power-forwards-in-the-nba

http://bluemanhoop.com/2013/07/10/nba-player-power-rankings-top-10-power-forwards-in-the-nba/

I challenge you to find 2 links that has Ibaka or Drummond rated ahead of either Goat (Dirk/Duncan) at their position.

You might consider them better because of their youthful age but I don't think very many GM's will agree with you on that notion in terms of right now here today.

Lol ok Bro you got it . I didn't even mention Drummond strictly Dirk vs Ibaka in terms of overall in NBA Live based last season . But you got it

FYI both games have Ibaka rated higher than Dirk ...

[nick_sr]

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Not even going to entertain this guy because he seems to want to talk about career instead of today. The trade bit is the joke of 2014 tho

[EAGLESFAN10]

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Overalls don't matter anyway

Everybody has their OWN opinions

If we are talking about now then of course I'll take Ibaka and Drummond but if we are talking careers then obvisuosly I'm Taking Dirk and Duncan

Why is this even being argued in the first place

Plus let's be real if Dirk didn't have the kind of Offensive game he has would even be having this discussion

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Overalls don't matter anyway

Everybody has their OWN opinions

If we are talking about now then of course I'll take Ibaka and Drummond but if we are talking careers then obvisuosly I'm Taking Dirk and Duncan

Why is this even being argued in the first place

Overalls don't matter . I'm sure Dirk will be an offensive beast in the game lol

[Playmakers]

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Not even going to entertain this guy because he seems to want to talk about career instead of today. The trade bit is the joke of 2014 tho

LOL!

I'm talking about today...

Those links are directly tied into today not for a career.

But again I'm not talking about a video game world i was refering to real life NBA.

Video game ratings are irrelevant because usually developer jack up the ratings to align the overall ratings in the game.

In terms of real life NBA right now today you couldn't find a single poll listing that has Ibaka rated higher than Dirk or Duncan that was my entire point.

I don't care about EA's or 2K's gimmick ratings systems.

[_Fernando]

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This is sounding like one of our conversations here on the team.

Those 3 players are hard to compare since they play so differently.

The order between the 3 will depend on what's weighted more in the overall formula.

[23]

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Not even going to entertain this guy because he seems to want to talk about career instead of today. The trade bit is the joke of 2014 tho

That's funny because play makers was one of the only guys continually giving live the benefit of the doubt that and editing the entire game for years in NBA live to make it play better and he did.....here before many of you guys were even around.

I'm sure he has a little bit of validity to his thoughts.

[nick_sr]

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That's funny because play makers was one of the only guys continually giving live the benefit of the doubt that and editing the entire game for years in NBA live to make it play better and he did.....here before many of you guys were even around.

I'm sure he has a little bit of validity to his thoughts.

obviously i would take duncan and dirk if they were in their prime but theyre not.

you seen how valuable ibaka is to okc

don't blame drummond for putting josh smith and brandon jennings on the same team.

[23]

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I guess it just depends on what you need. I would argue those guys are just as valuable to what their teams need as well.

[vtcrb]

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OVERALL RATING = MOST Overrated thing in Sports Gaming

[_Fernando]

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OVERALL RATING = MOST Overrated thing in Sports Gaming

It is and it isn't.
Players like us would gladly take a lower rated guy if he fits whatever our teams need. We also know that it can't always quantify a real players skill set.

On the other hand,
Overall is pretty much a quick summary, highlighting a player getting better or worse throughout their career if you're playing a franchise mode, a quick listing finding out which players are in respective tiers, or just a great introduction to certain players if we were just casual fans.

We're looking at ways of getting away from that. We've had a discussion kicking around here on the forums. I may start another one up once the game drops.

[vtcrb]

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It is and it isn't.
Players like us would gladly take a lower rated guy if he fits whatever our teams need. We also know that it can't always quantify a real players skill set.

On the other hand,
Overall is pretty much a quick summary, highlighting a player getting better or worse throughout their career if you're playing a franchise mode, a quick listing finding out which players are in respective tiers, or just a great introduction to certain players if we were just casual fans.

We're looking at ways of getting away from that. We've had a discussion kicking around here on the forums. I may start another one up once the game drops.

Overall Rating as you stated is really ONLY good for following a Players Progression.

I would gladly take a 85 Dirk over a 93 Blake Griffin. Those are just 2 examples, I could post alot more. What hurts though is how Overall can drive up Salary Demands in a game.

Edit: Maybe if a way could be developed to actually pay the Player by their ROLE. For Example Franchise Player would demand Big Contracts, then you could have All Star, Starter, 6th Man, Key Contributor, Bench Warmer, etc. Just throwing out ideas to help with Overall Rating being too powerful

[_Fernando]

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Overall Rating as you stated is really ONLY good for following a Players Progression.

I would gladly take a 85 Dirk over a 93 Blake Griffin. Those are just 2 examples, I could post alot more. What hurts though is how Overall can drive up Salary Demands in a game.

Edit: Maybe if a way could be developed to actually pay the Player by their ROLE. For Example Franchise Player would demand Big Contracts, then you could have All Star, Starter, 6th Man, Key Contributor, Bench Warmer, etc. Just throwing out ideas to help with Overall Rating being too powerful

Post away!

I'm sure there are things I have overlooked in the argument.

Those are good ideas with the roles, especially in a dynamic environment when all player ratings start gradually creeping higher.

[ffaacc03]

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... What hurts though is how Overall can drive up Salary Demands in a game.

Edit: Maybe if a way could be developed to actually pay the Player by their ROLE. For Example Franchise Player would demand Big Contracts, then you could have All Star, Starter, 6th Man, Key Contributor, Bench Warmer, etc. Just throwing out ideas to help with Overall Rating being too powerful

Like it, thus just not solely the determined factor for salaries as roles can and do vary from team to team ... I would rather have the salary demands consider and weight yearly production a bit more . then trend-potential, uncommun skill(s), career averages, roles, etc ... then again, even roles make a better choice than just overalls.


Now in respect of Overalls, I do believe that overalls are subjective and therefor subjectivity should be applied to them, making it possible for users to alter the overalls without having to alter attributes (objective and measurable for the most part) to meet a dessired goal ... maybe even have this system of editable overalls tied to servers so everyone that edits them get them registered (using a ponderated formula per roster downloads) so a monthly official roster update averages all registered overalls, as stated of course, independent of attributes and synergy ... then again, after second though, seems more a casuals appealing compromise than a truely answer to our issues.

[_Fernando]

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Like it, thus just not solely the determined factor for salaries as roles can and do vary from team to team ... I would rather have the salary demands consider and weight yearly production a bit more . then trend-potential, uncommun skill(s), career averages, roles, etc ... then again, even roles make a better choice than just overalls.


Now in respect of Overalls, I do believe that overalls are subjective and therefor subjectivity should be applied to them, making it possible for users to alter the overalls without having to alter attributes (objective and measurable for the most part) to meet a dessired goal ... maybe even have this system of editable overalls tied to servers so everyone that edits them get them registered (using a ponderated formula per roster downloads) so a monthly official roster update averages all registered overalls, as stated of course, independent of attributes and synergy ... then again, after second though, seems more a casuals appealing compromise than a truely answer to our issues.

You're right. The overall is kinda subjective, the individual ratings are having subjectivity removed from them but, the way the formula is constructed is completely up to the team here.

Adding the editing option for the formula calculation seems like an idea that should be explored in the future.