The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

[Walt Frazier]

The early previews are looking solid...but this game will fail without SLIDERS.


I have got Madden, FIFA and 2K so far and none of them 'out of the box' were exactly what I wanted. Some slider adjustments though and I am really enjoying all of the games. I was getting too many ORB in 2K, fixed it with a quick adjustment. FIFA's pass completions were way too high...fixed with a quick adjustment.


This game will come out in a few weeks and be greeted warmly day one. By day three people are going to be complaining that player A got 14 blocks and "I just shot 68% with the Jazz". Etc. Etc. Etc. You all know this...


NHL 15 has had extensive post game support with new modes like the Stanley Cup added basically because people were so aggrieved at the things missing.


Adding sliders = will make a world of difference.


Surely common sense will prevail?


*Personal note: I won't be buying the game unless they include sliders.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

They already siad there are no sliders.

[Playmakers]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

I feel you on this....

Without question had they included Sliders and ability to edit or create players this game would have been a 100% buy for me.

Still haven't decided what I'm going to do yet..

I've been dying to create Classic Teams/Players in Live again but it looks like that ain't gonna happen this year without the ability to edit players.

I'm still not sure what led to the decision to go without Sliders...I totally understand they want Synergy to control gameplay but including sliders for those of us who prefer to customize our own gameplay was a big let down by EA IMO.

There is a large portion of their fan base that doesn't play ONLINE and Sliders was a way to make the game more competitive and fun for those who enjoy the single player experience.

[Daddy123]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

If NBA Live was smart, they would take advantage of the game face..

1. It's free
2. You can use other people like celebs
3. profit


They would also bring back the 2005 allstar weekend which was probably the best dunk contest and 3 point contest ever in a video game.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

They said that they don't have the technology to add sliders yet....I would imagine it's not something you can add in...then again they did add a practice gym so who knows...

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

You never know what they can do. They put out so many updates for 14 that they may be able to add them.

[Da-Man]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

Sliders is a must in today's sports video games... let's hope they can patch it in.

[Walt Frazier]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

They already siad there are no sliders.

I realise that...


But if you look at the post release response to NHL 15 they basically said "no, we can't do that this year".............to "okay, okay, we'll have it in an update soon".


They have released MULTIPLE new features post release that were not intended.


How badly do people want sliders? That is the question. If there is a chorus of people demanding them post release the odds are we will get them...

[Walt Frazier]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

They said that they don't have the technology to add sliders yet....I would imagine it's not something you can add in...then again they did add a practice gym so who knows...

Every EA sports title has them. Hell, every sports game since the dreamcast has had sliders.


What they really mean when they tell you that is "we are focussing on other things" = we don't have the manpower. I guess they are swinging for the fence and hoping for good reviews day one.


Any serious player knows sliders are needed after the "feel good" factor wears off around day three or four.


If they want my $60, I want them to get it done. I suggest you all ask for the same thing. Sliders are absolutely essential in a sports game.

[rafaelpaolo84]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

Without question had they included Sliders and ability to edit or create players this game would have been a 100% buy for me.

If they want my $60, I want them to get it done. I suggest you all ask for the same thing. Sliders are absolutely essential in a sports game.

This and this, absolutely. Gameplay sliders and player editing (ratings and accessories).

[Haval93]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

I have never adjusted or used custom sliders on either 2K or Live, but they would be nice to have. If anything I would want to them to have roster editing patched in; as last year it took forever to receive new roster updates.

[clipperfan811]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

They said that they don't have the technology to add sliders yet....I would imagine it's not something you can add in...then again they did add a practice gym so who knows...

I've never worked on something big or commercial but I've programmed a few simple "just for practice" programs that incorporate sliders for adjusting specific parameters. The code is not that difficult to implement. Now again I absolutely know that what they're doing is on a massive scale compared to what I've done at home but these guys are pros. Sliders shouldn't be that hard to put in.

That being said. It seems their mentality is focusing on getting the gameplay to a solid foundation before having to deal with introducing a bunch of other variables. I'd want to have sliders that were tuned to alter gameplay both drastically and precisely, maybe they feel they don't have the time to tune them right so they'd rather save themselves from putting in poorly implemented features.

In one sense that's smart but in another it's a little too safe. You can understand why they rather play it safe, given all the backlash they've gotten the last few years. Maybe if enough constructive feedback is given, it's something they can patch in.

The fact is that sliders are one of the best ways for different types of users to get the experience they want. Without sliders you'll inevitably alienate anyone who doesn't have the same exact vision for how basketball should be played. To me that makes sliders a very important core aspect of gameplay.

[Haval93]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

I've never worked on something big or commercial but I've programmed a few simple "just for practice" programs that incorporate sliders for adjusting specific parameters. The code is not that difficult to implement. Now again I absolutely know that what they're doing is on a massive scale compared to what I've done at home but these guys are pros. Sliders shouldn't be that hard to put in.

That being said. It seems their mentality is focusing on getting the gameplay to a solid foundation before having to deal with introducing a bunch of other variables. I'd want to have sliders that were tuned to alter gameplay both drastically and precisely, maybe they feel they don't have the time to tune them right so they'd rather save themselves from putting in poorly implemented features.

In one sense that's smart but in another it's a little too safe. You can understand why they rather play it safe, given all the backlash they've gotten the last few years. Maybe if enough constructive feedback is given, it's something they can patch in.

The fact is that sliders are one of the best ways for different types of users to get the experience they want. Without sliders you'll inevitably alienate anyone who doesn't have the same exact vision for how basketball should be played. To me that makes sliders a very important core aspect of gameplay.

Sliders wouldn't be that difficult to implement in theory. I honestly think it was something that they didn't have enough time to code and properly test thoroughly. NBA Live and ever other game has different variables to define how the game plays. For example, you have different variables to define the velocity or speed of a player, how high they jump, shot success.

I'm assuming that in NBA Live there are global variables for the overall game's velocity that should be able to change ever characters rating by increasing or decreasing that value as well as local individuals variables for ever characters speed. There should also be global and local variables for all other ratings. I don't see why they can't allow us to change those global variables to our liking. Unless, the game is just based on local values and that is something they don't want anybody to touch other than them and synergy. That would be horribly inefficient coding though and I am hopeful they haven't made a huge mistake like that.

With that said, I don't know what NBA's Live code looks like at all or how do they stuff there, so this would be my explanation about sliders and how to implement them. Again, not the hardest programming task to do and especially when there are talented guys on that team who are doing much more technological advanced work. I believe it could be patched in.

Maybe the ratings producer can chime in on this discussion or a programmer on the team?

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

I realise that...


But if you look at the post release response to NHL 15 they basically said "no, we can't do that this year".............to "okay, okay, we'll have it in an update soon".

They have released MULTIPLE new features post release that were not intended.

How badly do people want sliders? That is the question. If there is a chorus of people demanding them post release the odds are we will get them...

I'm not a programmer so I wouldn't know this, but one would assume it's pretty hard to add a feature that code potentially could do more harm than good.

I think with Live 14's shootaround gym they already had it in there so it was easy to patch in. I could be wrong, so maybe they can add them.

I remember the simpler days of just shipping a game and there was no need for patches or sliders. Take me back to Live 95...

[rudyjuly2]

Re: The simple thing LIVE 15 'must' have...

EA invented sliders! Now the Madden team has weak ones and the NBA Live doesn't even have any. Crazy!

They could at least adopt some simple ones like Shooting Ability so user/cpu FG percentages could be adjusted. Same goes for steal and block percentages. Just an overall percentage up/down on the dice roll behind the scenes wouldn't affect ratings and give users the ability to customize the game a lot better.