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  • bugkill1sf
    Rookie
    • Mar 2012
    • 73

    #1

    Why is EA allowing such laziness?

    I applaud the improvement in NBA Live 15 over 14, but I also think it may have poisoned those involved in the creation of the game. They fixed the look and play, but they screwed up the presentation to the point that the game just feels flat out empty and dynasty mode has no features that make you feel like a GM.

    It looks as if they were content with just putting out something better than 14 instead making a basketball game with some depth. No excuse in 2014 to not have edit rosters or create player. No excuse for using celebrations from NCAA 10 and not having new celebrations for buzzer beaters and winning titles. We all, as customers, expect better for a product that costs $59.99 and the we should make it a point to call out EA on this and not buy Live 16 unless they upgrade 15 from its half done state.
    Last edited by bugkill1sf; 11-01-2014, 04:38 PM.
  • Philstat
    Pro
    • Oct 2002
    • 864

    #2
    Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

    Originally posted by bugkill1sf
    I applaud the improvement in NBA Live 15 over 14, but I also think it may have poisoned those involved in the creation of the game. They fixed the look and play, but they screwed up the presentation to the point that the game just feels flat out empty and dynasty mode has no features that make you feel like a GM.

    It looks as if they were content with just putting out something better than 14 instead making a basketball game with some depth. No excuse in 2014 to not have edit rosters or create player. No excuse for using celebrations from NCAA 10 and not having new celebrations for buzzer beaters and winning titles. We all, as customers, expect better for a product that costs $59.99 and the we should make it a point to call out EA on this and not buy Live 16 unless they upgrade 15 from its half done state.
    I couldn't agree with you more, it's a decent game, though it comes up TREMENDOUSLY short on a lot of fronts, a lot - it's extremely similar to what EA did with Hockey this year, good looking and fun to play game with next to zero options beyond anything basic. It's truly hard to believe how limiting this game is as far as features go, really is. Its counterpart is worlds apart when it comes to features and indepth abilities to custom and play the game the way you want. Hate how on Live you can't do anything with the players from Ultimate Team, can't add any legends or play with them at all within the context of the actual game, complete waste. I received about 15 gold packs and literally they are worth next to nothing to me - haven't touched this mode once. Would prefer to have classic teams to play against and more importantly, the ability to create, edit and maneuver players on rosters.

    Honestly, we have not heard a single word on how they plan to patch or continue to support this game. I've noticed some good feedback in the art section, though nothing from the aspects of patching the game. Can't believe the entire half time show and auto replays are missing and they haven't said a single word about it.
    Last edited by Philstat; 11-01-2014, 06:41 PM.

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    • bugkill1sf
      Rookie
      • Mar 2012
      • 73

      #3
      Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

      Originally posted by Philstat
      I couldn't agree with you more, it's a decent game, though it comes up TREMENDOUSLY short on a lot of fronts, a lot - it's extremely similar to what EA did with Hockey this year, good looking and fun to play game with next to zero options beyond anything basic. It's truly hard to believe how limiting this game is as far as features go, really is. Its counterpart is worlds apart when it comes to features and indepth abilities to custom and play the game the way you want. Hate how on Live you can't do anything with the players from Ultimate Team, can't add any legends or play with them at all within the context of the actual game, complete waste. I received about 15 gold packs and literally they are worth next to nothing to me - haven't touched this mode once. Would prefer to have classic teams to play against and more importantly, the ability to create, edit and maneuver players on rosters.
      Made up my mind on this. Since I purchased this empty game, I will not buy 16 unless I get it for dirt cheap or even free. It is the only way that I can send a message to EA and I implore others to do the same. Improving on garbage (Live 14), is not a success or acceptable.

      This damn game was released well after 2k and the things missing in this game is profound. Hell, we don't even have a halftime report or replays working right now and there is no official word when it will get fixed.

      Totally unacceptable. I should demand a refund given that the game does not have the features that are supposed to be there.

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      • CoachDavid
        Rookie
        • Jul 2003
        • 123

        #4
        Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

        I don't think you have really thought how hard it is to do what debs do.

        Write a script with instructions for each player on how to play the game. For a 1 year old. Then rewrite for a dog. Then for a small robot with a camera. If you can do this you are still not doing what they do. They have to create the world. Gravity, ball, skin. Not easy. That's why the games don't change much from year to year.

        As long as EA does not strangle the game and they have good devs. The game will get better.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #5
          Why is EA allowing such laziness?

          I will never condone calling dev's lazy...we don't know what they deal with on the day to day...

          I'm frustrated with some some of the aspects of the game just like you but Ty Stover has plainly said they are working on the half time/post game show. Other than that we need to just continue to give feedback...I said this last year, but I can't see Live 16 not having editing. Hopefully I'm right this time...

          I see too many guys worried about how much more they're enjoying Live more than "the other game" than focusing on what the issues are...that's going to hurt the game more than anything....they need the feedback
          Last edited by The 24th Letter; 11-04-2014, 10:42 AM.

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          • GisherJohn24
            MVP
            • Aug 2008
            • 4596

            #6
            Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

            Lack of resources not lack of devotion. They will have a bigger crew next year

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            • P-Dub
              Pro
              • Jun 2007
              • 596

              #7
              Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

              I've heard a saying from software engineers that goes something like this-

              "You can't throw 9 programmers at a 9 month task and get it done in 1 month."

              But I agree with the sentiment of this thread. NBA Live being forever "in progress" is not a good thing. If we are going to pay full price then we need a complete game, every year.

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              • Jay Jay
                Rookie
                • Jun 2011
                • 287

                #8
                Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                Originally posted by P-Dub
                I've heard a saying from software engineers that goes something like this-

                "You can't throw 9 programmers at a 9 month task and get it done in 1 month."

                But I agree with the sentiment of this thread. NBA Live being forever "in progress" is not a good thing. If we are going to pay full price then we need a complete game, every year.
                Sports games will never be a complete game every year.

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                • heelphreak
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 1022

                  #9
                  Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                  I played the game for a little over 2 hours and think it's somewhere between poor and mediocre, but i would never call the devs lazy. I have no knowledge of their working conditions. Perhaps they're understaffed or not overly talented. The point is i don't know. But it's reasonable to assume that they work hard. There are many things in play that make this game what it is, or isn't, but i doubt laziness is the culprit.
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                  • ScoobySnax
                    #faceuary2014
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 7624

                    #10
                    Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                    This thread needs to be locked.

                    The devs aren't lazy. I'm sure they worked extremely hard to give us a better product than last year (and they did). Sure, there are pain points, but all games have pain points. Our job is to be constructive in our criticisms and help the team build a better game.
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                    • Flightwhite24
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 12094

                      #11
                      Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                      Originally posted by ScoobySnax
                      This thread needs to be locked.

                      The devs aren't lazy. I'm sure they worked extremely hard to give us a better product than last year (and they did). Sure, there are pain points, but all games have pain points. Our job is to be constructive in our criticisms and help the team build a better game.
                      Well said. Sure I'm disappointed in where we are at with this game but to call these guys or any developer lazy is downright disrespectful and hopefully going forward it won't be allowed on OS
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                      • COMMISSIONERHBK9
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 4564

                        #12
                        Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                        People need to stop. This game is good. It's fun. Is it 2k no it take another year but if you want a second playable b ball game then this is it. Last year you couldn't even play a full game because it was so bad.
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                        • RICH72601
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 326

                          #13
                          Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                          Originally posted by CoachDavid
                          I don't think you have really thought how hard it is to do what debs do.

                          Write a script with instructions for each player on how to play the game. For a 1 year old. Then rewrite for a dog. Then for a small robot with a camera. If you can do this you are still not doing what they do. They have to create the world. Gravity, ball, skin. Not easy. That's why the games don't change much from year to year.

                          As long as EA does not strangle the game and they have good devs. The game will get better.
                          I just smile when I see comments like this. I'm sure not everybody gets it, but I'm sure that it is VERY difficult to make any video game, but we are not dealing with rookies or talent-less people. This is "EA SPORTS". The problem is at the top and it trickles down. I admire a lot of the work they do, but this is 2014, almost 15, and for those who are still paying $59.99 plus tax for this severely behind, half-featured, no options game...more power to you. My smart money will never support this product until I see a HUGE change. Minor improvements just don't do it for me anymore. No excuses. I don't care what company puts out a b-ball sim (which Live is not for me). I just want a well-represented, customizable, fully-featured basketball game. Why is that so hard?

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                          • Playmakers
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 15417

                            #14
                            Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                            I think lazy is the wrong word.....

                            But lets not forget there are some issues that still exist in this game depite it being Next Gen that range all the way back to Live 07

                            So yes lazy is the wrong word......but it could be called something else "IF" you continue to have some of the same flaws that existed from 5-6 years ago right?
                            Last edited by Playmakers; 11-04-2014, 01:48 PM.
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                            • Jano
                              You Dead Wrong
                              • May 2004
                              • 3161

                              #15
                              Re: Why is EA allowing such laziness?

                              Threads like this bring me back to an old debate that was happening back when PS3 and 360 first debuted NBA and sports games. 2K took the route of porting over their PS2 game to the PS3. While EA tried to create something fundamentally "Different" than their last gen console games. EA basically failed at it for Live 06 and 07. 2K on the other hand steadily improved from 2K6 to 2K7.

                              And now the seeds planted in those first few years are really coming to life in my eyes. The biggest difference between 2K and Live now is that one company stuck with their team and let them build a game for years. EA on the other hand played a reactionary role and constantly played the "let's rebuild a new and more flashy base" instead of sticking to their guns. Now it's all starting to add up all the false starts are coming back to haunt them.

                              Issues like late game AI or even animation quality are all suffering because unlike 2K this game has been at ground zero at least 3 times. So a lot of the issues are coming from not having the years to build and improve their systems. 2K was right on to just continue from their PS2 days. I'm not saying 2K hasn't rewritten things in their system.. but they have steadily improved their systems since day one on the PS3. This one fact cannot be underestimated in my opinion.

                              This doesn't excuse EA for the poor quality but sometimes I wonder what would have happened if EA has continued to build on the progress of Live 10.. where could they be now. They essentially lost 4 years of development time and now they are attempting to make up for that. Man is that tough when your competitor used all of that same dev time AND they are still creating more and more advanced game systems. Imagine where 2K will be when Live gets to the stage 2K is at with 2K15?

                              All EA can do at this point is provide a different experience for users. I think they are doing that now with Live 15 so that's there one saving grace let's just hope it can eventually be a different experience that is also an excellent game in its own right.

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