Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

[keithpetty]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

the attributes for players does exactly what a ratings for a player has.

[keithpetty]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

the attributes for players does exactly what a ratings for a player has.

[Ofizzle]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

I found that out from GrnDynasty by the way. I tried it out in Live 2004 and looked at the range after and it is true.

I was actually the one that told Grn on the EA Sports site, I gave him the list.

[Ofizzle]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

I found that out from GrnDynasty by the way. I tried it out in Live 2004 and looked at the range after and it is true.

I was actually the one that told Grn on the EA Sports site, I gave him the list.

[SonicMage]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

Not concerned where they came from, but how they actually influence the game. I.E. The way Miles explained how the 3PT attribute functioned.

I reverse engineered to find out the ratings that I did. Therefore, the ratings have the exact effect as the values that I extrapolated from. Upping the steal rating ups the player's amount of steals per minute, for example.

Some ratings affect more than one stat though. For example, jumping has a HUGE effect on shot blocking when actually playing as well as what dunks the player can perform (combined with the dunk rating, of course). In simulation, block rating is the only rating looked at in determining the statistics for the blocking category, along with their amount of minutes determined from the fatigue rating. Jump rating is pretty much ignored in simulation.

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention where the fatigue rating comes from. It is based almost entirely on the player's minutes per game from the previous season. Of course, this isnt very realistic as it would give guys deep on the bench like Darko ratings in the range of 5-10, he definitely has more stamina than that in real life.

[SonicMage]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

Not concerned where they came from, but how they actually influence the game. I.E. The way Miles explained how the 3PT attribute functioned.

I reverse engineered to find out the ratings that I did. Therefore, the ratings have the exact effect as the values that I extrapolated from. Upping the steal rating ups the player's amount of steals per minute, for example.

Some ratings affect more than one stat though. For example, jumping has a HUGE effect on shot blocking when actually playing as well as what dunks the player can perform (combined with the dunk rating, of course). In simulation, block rating is the only rating looked at in determining the statistics for the blocking category, along with their amount of minutes determined from the fatigue rating. Jump rating is pretty much ignored in simulation.

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention where the fatigue rating comes from. It is based almost entirely on the player's minutes per game from the previous season. Of course, this isnt very realistic as it would give guys deep on the bench like Darko ratings in the range of 5-10, he definitely has more stamina than that in real life.

[Ofizzle]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

3PT affects the FG rating

Jump affects rebounding and blocks while playing and while simulating

Defensive awareness slightly affects steals and blocks

Strength also has an effect on rebounds while simulating

Quickness and Speed slightly affect Stealing in simulating

Dribbling affects assists

That's all I know of....the one thing I've been trying to find out is what affects FT attempts in simualtion, I've been unable to do that.

[Ofizzle]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

3PT affects the FG rating

Jump affects rebounding and blocks while playing and while simulating

Defensive awareness slightly affects steals and blocks

Strength also has an effect on rebounds while simulating

Quickness and Speed slightly affect Stealing in simulating

Dribbling affects assists

That's all I know of....the one thing I've been trying to find out is what affects FT attempts in simualtion, I've been unable to do that.

[nikolaihunt]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

I reverse engineered to find out the ratings that I did. Therefore, the ratings have the exact effect as the values that I extrapolated from. Upping the steal rating ups the player's amount of steals per minute, for example.

Some ratings affect more than one stat though. For example, jumping has a HUGE effect on shot blocking when actually playing as well as what dunks the player can perform (combined with the dunk rating, of course). In simulation, block rating is the only rating looked at in determining the statistics for the blocking category, along with their amount of minutes determined from the fatigue rating. Jump rating is pretty much ignored in simulation.

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention where the fatigue rating comes from. It is based almost entirely on the player's minutes per game from the previous season. Of course, this isnt very realistic as it would give guys deep on the bench like Darko ratings in the range of 5-10, he definitely has more stamina than that in real life.

Ahh, I see, so you simulated season games and checked the simulated stats versus the player ratings right? I was thinking of doing something similar, and perhaps entering the values in Excel and finding the governing equation just to see how much the different values interact. Good stuff.

And yeah, stamina was mostly a ghetto-fied way of determining a players minutes it seemed. They need to make a seperate or different way of determining how many minutes a player plays -- it's kind of silly when one of your starters gets injured, and your subs get tired in a couple minutes of play.

[nikolaihunt]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

I reverse engineered to find out the ratings that I did. Therefore, the ratings have the exact effect as the values that I extrapolated from. Upping the steal rating ups the player's amount of steals per minute, for example.

Some ratings affect more than one stat though. For example, jumping has a HUGE effect on shot blocking when actually playing as well as what dunks the player can perform (combined with the dunk rating, of course). In simulation, block rating is the only rating looked at in determining the statistics for the blocking category, along with their amount of minutes determined from the fatigue rating. Jump rating is pretty much ignored in simulation.

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention where the fatigue rating comes from. It is based almost entirely on the player's minutes per game from the previous season. Of course, this isnt very realistic as it would give guys deep on the bench like Darko ratings in the range of 5-10, he definitely has more stamina than that in real life.

Ahh, I see, so you simulated season games and checked the simulated stats versus the player ratings right? I was thinking of doing something similar, and perhaps entering the values in Excel and finding the governing equation just to see how much the different values interact. Good stuff.

And yeah, stamina was mostly a ghetto-fied way of determining a players minutes it seemed. They need to make a seperate or different way of determining how many minutes a player plays -- it's kind of silly when one of your starters gets injured, and your subs get tired in a couple minutes of play.

[bamalam]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

Ahh, I see, so you simulated season games and checked the simulated stats versus the player ratings right? I was thinking of doing something similar, and perhaps entering the values in Excel and finding the governing equation just to see how much the different values interact. Good stuff.

And yeah, stamina was mostly a ghetto-fied way of determining a players minutes it seemed. They need to make a seperate or different way of determining how many minutes a player plays -- it's kind of silly when one of your starters gets injured, and your subs get tired in a couple minutes of play.

ive seen old text based games where they adjusted stamina based on who was available to play. that wouldnt be hard to put in.

[bamalam]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

Ahh, I see, so you simulated season games and checked the simulated stats versus the player ratings right? I was thinking of doing something similar, and perhaps entering the values in Excel and finding the governing equation just to see how much the different values interact. Good stuff.

And yeah, stamina was mostly a ghetto-fied way of determining a players minutes it seemed. They need to make a seperate or different way of determining how many minutes a player plays -- it's kind of silly when one of your starters gets injured, and your subs get tired in a couple minutes of play.

ive seen old text based games where they adjusted stamina based on who was available to play. that wouldnt be hard to put in.

[Miles_Yuhas]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

3PT affects the FG rating

Jump affects rebounding and blocks while playing and while simulating

Defensive awareness slightly affects steals and blocks

Strength also has an effect on rebounds while simulating

Quickness and Speed slightly affect Stealing in simulating

Dribbling affects assists

That's all I know of....the one thing I've been trying to find out is what affects FT attempts in simualtion, I've been unable to do that.

Why would Dribbling affect assists?

[Miles_Yuhas]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

3PT affects the FG rating

Jump affects rebounding and blocks while playing and while simulating

Defensive awareness slightly affects steals and blocks

Strength also has an effect on rebounds while simulating

Quickness and Speed slightly affect Stealing in simulating

Dribbling affects assists

That's all I know of....the one thing I've been trying to find out is what affects FT attempts in simualtion, I've been unable to do that.

Why would Dribbling affect assists?

[SonicMage]

Re: Looking for explanations of exactly what the player attributres do..

Ahh, I see, so you simulated season games and checked the simulated stats versus the player ratings right? I was thinking of doing something similar, and perhaps entering the values in Excel and finding the governing equation just to see how much the different values interact. Good stuff.

Actually, I didnt have to do anything within the game itself at all at first. I just used Excel on the default roster database and compared the default ratings to
the season stats from 2002-2003 season that they had already entered. I then hypothesized exactly how I would generate each rating from stats and checked it out. Steals, blocks, assists, rebounds, free throws, and fatigue were easy to figure out because they are derived from very simple stats. Thats seven categories right there. Primacy was a little tougher. I first figured it might come from field goal attempts per minute. But then I remembered that some shots are on a foul that become free throws so I changed it to shots per minute, (FGA + .44*FTA)/MIN, and, lo and behold, although not exactly like EA Sports numbers, they looked quite accurate.

I now have spreadsheets with ratings tables that'll generate these eight ratings on the fly. All you have to do is enter a couple of stats and theyre automatically calculated. I changed these eight ratings for all the players in Live 2004 and the results looked quite good. Live's roster auto-reordering started actually creating the team's actual lineups without me having to make many manual changes. For fun, I created a couple historical teams too.

And yeah, stamina was mostly a ghetto-fied way of determining a players minutes it seemed. They need to make a seperate or different way of determining how many minutes a player plays -- it's kind of silly when one of your starters gets injured, and your subs get tired in a couple minutes of play.

Stamina would be a bit tricky without making a fudge factor. A players actual minutes all depend on the coach, who the team is playing against, and maybe the player's health. Until they have coaches in the game with actual tendencies, the fatigue rating will have to do. It sucks, I know.