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  • nikolaihunt
    Rookie
    • May 2004
    • 75

    #1

    The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

    Either here or on NLSC, there were remarks from the people who went to the web summit that the developers said they intentionally made prohop overly-effective to get people to use it, like they did the season before with freestyle.

    First, does this seem wrong to you?

    And second, is anyone else a little worried that either freestyle air or the rebounding feature, or something else is going to be a little whack?

    I'd be ok with this philosophy if they included a slider to adjust it, but last seasons they didn't have a slider for prohop. There are ones already there for those new features though, so maybe this can be avoided.

    Just asking this because I was reading the preview at NLSC and they mentioned the philosphy above again.
  • ludacris06
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 1527

    #2
    Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

    NO, and NO!

    If you actually read around, Freestyle Air won't be abusive.

    On top of that, there are rebounding sliders.

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    • ludacris06
      Banned
      • Sep 2003
      • 1527

      #3
      Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

      NO, and NO!

      If you actually read around, Freestyle Air won't be abusive.

      On top of that, there are rebounding sliders.

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      • nikolaihunt
        Rookie
        • May 2004
        • 75

        #4
        Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

        Originally posted by ludacris06
        NO, and NO!

        If you actually read around, Freestyle Air won't be abusive.
        From the Web Developers Summit preview thread at NLSC:

        "The freestyle is great. They balanced it even better than last year, and it's not too easy to dominate with the prohop. They said that when they implement something new like this, they make it easy to abuse. That way, the user gets used to using it and can master it easily. In the next version, they can tweak it till it works like it should inr eal life...that way, when the user uses it, they can use it realistically. That's why the freestyle was so effective the first year and the pro-hop in 2004."

        "It's much more realistic. EA's goal with the freestyle and freestyle air is to rid the player of cumbersome animations that take the player out of control of their on-screen player. That way, you aren't stuck in a scripted animation, and you can change it....it adds a lot of realism to the game and lowers frustration. Freestyle air will probably be too easy this year, but I aleady explained their logic for doing so, and it makes a great deal of sense."

        This is something I read. So...

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        • nikolaihunt
          Rookie
          • May 2004
          • 75

          #5
          Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

          Originally posted by ludacris06
          NO, and NO!

          If you actually read around, Freestyle Air won't be abusive.
          From the Web Developers Summit preview thread at NLSC:

          "The freestyle is great. They balanced it even better than last year, and it's not too easy to dominate with the prohop. They said that when they implement something new like this, they make it easy to abuse. That way, the user gets used to using it and can master it easily. In the next version, they can tweak it till it works like it should inr eal life...that way, when the user uses it, they can use it realistically. That's why the freestyle was so effective the first year and the pro-hop in 2004."

          "It's much more realistic. EA's goal with the freestyle and freestyle air is to rid the player of cumbersome animations that take the player out of control of their on-screen player. That way, you aren't stuck in a scripted animation, and you can change it....it adds a lot of realism to the game and lowers frustration. Freestyle air will probably be too easy this year, but I aleady explained their logic for doing so, and it makes a great deal of sense."

          This is something I read. So...

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          • EWRMETS
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 7491

            #6
            Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

            I think the idea that they made it easy so everybody can use it is stupid. Why make the game purposely unrealistic just to show off a new feature. I think it's just an excuse for EA implementing the feature wrong last year. It seems like it takes a year for EA to implement a feature correctly such as Freestyle (bad in 03, good in 04), pro hop (bad in 04, supposedly good in 05) and 10 man motion cap being better this year. I think Freestyle Air won't be as abusive as Pro Hop, but will be implemented better for next year's game.

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            • EWRMETS
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 7491

              #7
              Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

              I think the idea that they made it easy so everybody can use it is stupid. Why make the game purposely unrealistic just to show off a new feature. I think it's just an excuse for EA implementing the feature wrong last year. It seems like it takes a year for EA to implement a feature correctly such as Freestyle (bad in 03, good in 04), pro hop (bad in 04, supposedly good in 05) and 10 man motion cap being better this year. I think Freestyle Air won't be as abusive as Pro Hop, but will be implemented better for next year's game.

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              • keithpetty
                Rookie
                • Sep 2004
                • 90

                #8
                Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                yeah in nba live 2004 the pro hop was easy to use. but in nba live 2005 the pro hop will be hard to use and that is how the nba is like.

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                • keithpetty
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 90

                  #9
                  Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                  yeah in nba live 2004 the pro hop was easy to use. but in nba live 2005 the pro hop will be hard to use and that is how the nba is like.

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                  • toneloc99
                    Pro
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 824

                    #10
                    Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                    They do this because next year they will have something to fix LOL. Seriously why else would they over do a certain feature? To find out if people like it so if they do next year they can say "new and improved" aka fixed how it should have been from the start.

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                    • toneloc99
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 824

                      #11
                      Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                      They do this because next year they will have something to fix LOL. Seriously why else would they over do a certain feature? To find out if people like it so if they do next year they can say "new and improved" aka fixed how it should have been from the start.

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                      • Ofizzle
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 632

                        #12
                        Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                        Originally posted by toneloc99
                        They do this because next year they will have something to fix LOL. Seriously why else would they over do a certain feature? To find out if people like it so if they do next year they can say "new and improved" aka fixed how it should have been from the start.
                        Really though, because why couldn't they just add a slider for it last year?

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                        • Ofizzle
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 632

                          #13
                          Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                          Originally posted by toneloc99
                          They do this because next year they will have something to fix LOL. Seriously why else would they over do a certain feature? To find out if people like it so if they do next year they can say "new and improved" aka fixed how it should have been from the start.
                          Really though, because why couldn't they just add a slider for it last year?

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                          • olec
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 181

                            #14
                            Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                            Originally posted by EWRMETS
                            I think the idea that they made it easy so everybody can use it is stupid. Why make the game purposely unrealistic just to show off a new feature. I think it's just an excuse for EA implementing the feature wrong last year. It seems like it takes a year for EA to implement a feature correctly such as Freestyle (bad in 03, good in 04), pro hop (bad in 04, supposedly good in 05) and 10 man motion cap being better this year. I think Freestyle Air won't be as abusive as Pro Hop, but will be implemented better for next year's game.

                            amen.

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                            • olec
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 181

                              #15
                              Re: The whole "We made prohop easy to use so people would use it"

                              Originally posted by EWRMETS
                              I think the idea that they made it easy so everybody can use it is stupid. Why make the game purposely unrealistic just to show off a new feature. I think it's just an excuse for EA implementing the feature wrong last year. It seems like it takes a year for EA to implement a feature correctly such as Freestyle (bad in 03, good in 04), pro hop (bad in 04, supposedly good in 05) and 10 man motion cap being better this year. I think Freestyle Air won't be as abusive as Pro Hop, but will be implemented better for next year's game.

                              amen.

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