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  • Virix
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1007

    #46
    Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

    Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.

    I plan on doing some editing of things that are obviously wrong (Like Ben's OREB rating, Rip's FG rating) and playing some to see how it works out.

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    • Virix
      MVP
      • Aug 2002
      • 1007

      #47
      Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

      Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.

      I plan on doing some editing of things that are obviously wrong (Like Ben's OREB rating, Rip's FG rating) and playing some to see how it works out.

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      • SonicMage
        NBA Ratings Wizard
        • Oct 2002
        • 3544

        #48
        Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

        Originally posted by Virix
        Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.
        Youre looking at the wrong stats. OFFREB is based off offensive rebounds per minute. Haywood had 6.0 offensive rebounds per 48 minutes, 3rd in the league, last year while Ben had 5.1 offensive rebounds per 48 minutes. The ratings are correct according to NBA Live's system.
        NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

        Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
        Link to Ratings 1996-2017
        Link to Ratings 1973-1996
        Link to Ratings All-time

        Discussion found here

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        • SonicMage
          NBA Ratings Wizard
          • Oct 2002
          • 3544

          #49
          Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

          Originally posted by Virix
          Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.
          Youre looking at the wrong stats. OFFREB is based off offensive rebounds per minute. Haywood had 6.0 offensive rebounds per 48 minutes, 3rd in the league, last year while Ben had 5.1 offensive rebounds per 48 minutes. The ratings are correct according to NBA Live's system.
          NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

          Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
          Link to Ratings 1996-2017
          Link to Ratings 1973-1996
          Link to Ratings All-time

          Discussion found here

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          • Ofizzle
            Pro
            • Nov 2003
            • 632

            #50
            Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

            Originally posted by Virix
            Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.

            I plan on doing some editing of things that are obviously wrong (Like Ben's OREB rating, Rip's FG rating) and playing some to see how it works out.
            Actually, that might not be wrong [the offreb]. I don't think you're looking at minutes, yea if it's some guy who played 5 MPG and played 10 games total, then you can't use per minute, but Haywood played 70+ games, and 20 MPG.

            Also Haywood's off reb% is 11.8%, and Ben Wallace's is 10.8%, so that rating is actually not bad. Their are many bad ratings, but that's not one of them.

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            • Ofizzle
              Pro
              • Nov 2003
              • 632

              #51
              Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

              Originally posted by Virix
              Well I know that Brenden Haywood has a better OREB rating than Ben Wallace... not only is that a lack of common basketball knowledge, but the end of the year stats say Wallace should have a higher rating also.

              I plan on doing some editing of things that are obviously wrong (Like Ben's OREB rating, Rip's FG rating) and playing some to see how it works out.
              Actually, that might not be wrong [the offreb]. I don't think you're looking at minutes, yea if it's some guy who played 5 MPG and played 10 games total, then you can't use per minute, but Haywood played 70+ games, and 20 MPG.

              Also Haywood's off reb% is 11.8%, and Ben Wallace's is 10.8%, so that rating is actually not bad. Their are many bad ratings, but that's not one of them.

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              • Virix
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 1007

                #52
                Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                I guess I dont understand why they would use a per min stat for rebounds. It doesnt seem like they are using per min stats for anything else. If thats the case, shouldnt Kyle Korver be the best 3 point shooter in the game?

                Ben Wallace was #2 in OREB per game, and Haywood was 27th.

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                • Virix
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 1007

                  #53
                  Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                  I guess I dont understand why they would use a per min stat for rebounds. It doesnt seem like they are using per min stats for anything else. If thats the case, shouldnt Kyle Korver be the best 3 point shooter in the game?

                  Ben Wallace was #2 in OREB per game, and Haywood was 27th.

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                  • Ofizzle
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 632

                    #54
                    Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                    Originally posted by Virix
                    I guess I dont understand why they would use a per min stat for rebounds. It doesnt seem like they are using per min stats for anything else. If thats the case, shouldnt Kyle Korver be the best 3 point shooter in the game?

                    Ben Wallace was #2 in OREB per game, and Haywood was 27th.
                    .....but Haywood only played 20 minutes a game, so if in the game he played 20 minutes, and Ben plays 40 minutes, Ben will still be 2nd, and and Haywood 27th, it's a simple fact really lol.


                    Also why would Korver be the best, their's no rating called 3 points percentage per 48 minutes? Their's 3PT made, but Baron isn't the best 3 point shooter in the league, and neither is Antoine Walker. Korver's percentage was 39.1%, and he was getting open three's, so no he shouldn't be.....

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                    • Ofizzle
                      Pro
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 632

                      #55
                      Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                      Originally posted by Virix
                      I guess I dont understand why they would use a per min stat for rebounds. It doesnt seem like they are using per min stats for anything else. If thats the case, shouldnt Kyle Korver be the best 3 point shooter in the game?

                      Ben Wallace was #2 in OREB per game, and Haywood was 27th.
                      .....but Haywood only played 20 minutes a game, so if in the game he played 20 minutes, and Ben plays 40 minutes, Ben will still be 2nd, and and Haywood 27th, it's a simple fact really lol.


                      Also why would Korver be the best, their's no rating called 3 points percentage per 48 minutes? Their's 3PT made, but Baron isn't the best 3 point shooter in the league, and neither is Antoine Walker. Korver's percentage was 39.1%, and he was getting open three's, so no he shouldn't be.....

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                      • POWERFORWARD
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 419

                        #56
                        Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                        0--100 scale is stupid, keep it simple!

                        or maybe I dont understand, so if kobe is like a 91 in scoring its actually a 101?

                        Cause if lower means 10 points higher, than a high rating means even higher?
                        Im confused.

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                        • POWERFORWARD
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 419

                          #57
                          Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                          0--100 scale is stupid, keep it simple!

                          or maybe I dont understand, so if kobe is like a 91 in scoring its actually a 101?

                          Cause if lower means 10 points higher, than a high rating means even higher?
                          Im confused.

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                          • Alliball
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 2368

                            #58
                            Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                            Originally posted by POWERFORWARD
                            0--100 scale is stupid, keep it simple!

                            or maybe I dont understand, so if kobe is like a 91 in scoring its actually a 101?

                            Cause if lower means 10 points higher, than a high rating means even higher?
                            Im confused.
                            You're confused? Now I'm confused after reading that. Like somebody said, using a 0-100 scale gives you greater overall variations in player ability.

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                            • Alliball
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 2368

                              #59
                              Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                              Originally posted by POWERFORWARD
                              0--100 scale is stupid, keep it simple!

                              or maybe I dont understand, so if kobe is like a 91 in scoring its actually a 101?

                              Cause if lower means 10 points higher, than a high rating means even higher?
                              Im confused.
                              You're confused? Now I'm confused after reading that. Like somebody said, using a 0-100 scale gives you greater overall variations in player ability.

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                              • durvasa
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 94

                                #60
                                Re: For those who are going to change ratings immediately...

                                Originally posted by POWERFORWARD
                                0--100 scale is stupid, keep it simple!

                                or maybe I dont understand, so if kobe is like a 91 in scoring its actually a 101?

                                Cause if lower means 10 points higher, than a high rating means even higher?
                                Im confused.
                                No, you wouldn't just add 10. If on a 0-100 scale the rating is X, then on a 50-100 scale it would translate to X/2 + 50. That is, half it and add 50. So a 91 would be a 95.5 in the old rating system.

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