This game is like Whoa!

[bigticket32]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

I enjoy both games..for a while ive been playing ESPN more..but I just started a Dynasty with the Celtics on Live, and I am going to turn Gary Payton into what he was 8-10 years ago.

[bigticket32]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

I enjoy both games..for a while ive been playing ESPN more..but I just started a Dynasty with the Celtics on Live, and I am going to turn Gary Payton into what he was 8-10 years ago.

[Court_vision]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

I enjoy both games..for a while ive been playing ESPN more..but I just started a Dynasty with the Celtics on Live, and I am going to turn Gary Payton into what he was 8-10 years ago.

Take GP into the post against smaller guards all day

[Court_vision]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

I enjoy both games..for a while ive been playing ESPN more..but I just started a Dynasty with the Celtics on Live, and I am going to turn Gary Payton into what he was 8-10 years ago.

Take GP into the post against smaller guards all day

[ludacris06]

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Agreed, Shaq doesn't play like Shaq in ESPN...

But Peja, Reggie, Duncan, Webber etc etc etc...are all almost perfect.

Again, I like LIVE. It's improved a lot.

IMO it would be even better with authentic play sets. 10 Man Mo Cap could do that incredibly if they wanted to.

It's not that hard to do team specific play books...Madden has them. ID had them. ESPN has them.

And for the kids...this is known as 'constructive criticism'.

So there's no need to cry with the STFU and BS about Shaq playing SG.

And I don't mean you Luda, I know you know basketball.

ESPN does have team specific plays and it's somthing VC has the advantage over Live with. This year it just depends on what type of gamer you are. EA leaves the playbooks at default once again, but they give you the option to change them. I don't know why they aren't team specific if they have the sets, but they happen to make up for it with the primacy rating.

Like I said, it depends on what type of gamer you are. If you want the hardcore sim type, ESPN has you covered or you can just go the extra mile and adjust the books in Live. If you don't want that, you can just stick with what EA has put in store for you already.

Once again, both games have the advantage in certian areas and even if you do get both games, there's no win-win situation in my opinion.

[ludacris06]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

Agreed, Shaq doesn't play like Shaq in ESPN...

But Peja, Reggie, Duncan, Webber etc etc etc...are all almost perfect.

Again, I like LIVE. It's improved a lot.

IMO it would be even better with authentic play sets. 10 Man Mo Cap could do that incredibly if they wanted to.

It's not that hard to do team specific play books...Madden has them. ID had them. ESPN has them.

And for the kids...this is known as 'constructive criticism'.

So there's no need to cry with the STFU and BS about Shaq playing SG.

And I don't mean you Luda, I know you know basketball.

ESPN does have team specific plays and it's somthing VC has the advantage over Live with. This year it just depends on what type of gamer you are. EA leaves the playbooks at default once again, but they give you the option to change them. I don't know why they aren't team specific if they have the sets, but they happen to make up for it with the primacy rating.

Like I said, it depends on what type of gamer you are. If you want the hardcore sim type, ESPN has you covered or you can just go the extra mile and adjust the books in Live. If you don't want that, you can just stick with what EA has put in store for you already.

Once again, both games have the advantage in certian areas and even if you do get both games, there's no win-win situation in my opinion.

[KBomber]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

Not all the teams play realistic in ESPN. Shaq rarely gets touches from what I've read. When he does get the ball, he's shooting from 10

How do you argue this point without having played the game? You're basing your argument off Hilary Goldstein's review. Get the game, play the game, come back and talk about the game, but don't attempt to do it in reverse order

[KBomber]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

Not all the teams play realistic in ESPN. Shaq rarely gets touches from what I've read. When he does get the ball, he's shooting from 10

How do you argue this point without having played the game? You're basing your argument off Hilary Goldstein's review. Get the game, play the game, come back and talk about the game, but don't attempt to do it in reverse order

[jujuhound]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

You can change play books...

Besides, your arguement is NO years of real play books is better than ONE...

And, honestly, how many people play multi year franchises and actually play every game?

I'd rather a realistic 2004 / 2005 season.

And speaking of the current season...LIVE is the only game to offer season mode, so it gets major points there

I think your reasoning is flawed, Monkey. Both games only got halfway to the goal of playing like the NBA. As Ludacris has said several times, Live does have different playsets that are similar to real NBA plays, but they are not set up beforehand like ESPN. Fortunately, Live developers had the forethought to let the user switch to the other side to make changes as he sees fit (for opposite of forethought, see ESPN's lack of timeouts by CPU). I agree with you that it would be better to have real NBA plays and have them already set up, but at least with a little effort you can do something about it. Live also has a primacy rating that ensures that the top scorers for each team get the ball a lot like they should.

The lack of any sort of primacy (or something similar) in ESPN is the reason why I think the game is only halfway to playing more like the NBA. Real plays are great, but they don't mean jack to me if the CPU doesn't use those plays to get the ball into the hands of its star players. I don't see how a game is "more like the NBA" when the star players don't get the ball half the time, the coach fails to call crucial timeouts to stop momentum or move upcourt late in the game, and when wacky trades go on each week. Okay, so that last one wasn't gameplay-related, but it is important and has a very cumbersome workaround.

On the other hand, Live gets the ball in the hands of star players but lacks the same level of variation and authenticity in playsets as ESPN, so it is also only halfway there as well.

I think you have a very narrow idea that simply running NBA plays make a game more NBA-like, when it really takes more than that. Neither game is there yet, but both are fun in their own right. Many people think it is "more like the NBA" to see Shaq get the ball down low all the time even though the Heat may not be running the exact plays that they do in real life. At least he tries to dominate down low, rather than hanging out by the 3pt line.
Your definition of NBA-like may seem clear and clean-cut to *you*, but other people can see your point and reasonably disagree.

[jujuhound]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

You can change play books...

Besides, your arguement is NO years of real play books is better than ONE...

And, honestly, how many people play multi year franchises and actually play every game?

I'd rather a realistic 2004 / 2005 season.

And speaking of the current season...LIVE is the only game to offer season mode, so it gets major points there

I think your reasoning is flawed, Monkey. Both games only got halfway to the goal of playing like the NBA. As Ludacris has said several times, Live does have different playsets that are similar to real NBA plays, but they are not set up beforehand like ESPN. Fortunately, Live developers had the forethought to let the user switch to the other side to make changes as he sees fit (for opposite of forethought, see ESPN's lack of timeouts by CPU). I agree with you that it would be better to have real NBA plays and have them already set up, but at least with a little effort you can do something about it. Live also has a primacy rating that ensures that the top scorers for each team get the ball a lot like they should.

The lack of any sort of primacy (or something similar) in ESPN is the reason why I think the game is only halfway to playing more like the NBA. Real plays are great, but they don't mean jack to me if the CPU doesn't use those plays to get the ball into the hands of its star players. I don't see how a game is "more like the NBA" when the star players don't get the ball half the time, the coach fails to call crucial timeouts to stop momentum or move upcourt late in the game, and when wacky trades go on each week. Okay, so that last one wasn't gameplay-related, but it is important and has a very cumbersome workaround.

On the other hand, Live gets the ball in the hands of star players but lacks the same level of variation and authenticity in playsets as ESPN, so it is also only halfway there as well.

I think you have a very narrow idea that simply running NBA plays make a game more NBA-like, when it really takes more than that. Neither game is there yet, but both are fun in their own right. Many people think it is "more like the NBA" to see Shaq get the ball down low all the time even though the Heat may not be running the exact plays that they do in real life. At least he tries to dominate down low, rather than hanging out by the 3pt line.
Your definition of NBA-like may seem clear and clean-cut to *you*, but other people can see your point and reasonably disagree.

[DocHolliday]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

How do you argue this point without having played the game? You're basing your argument off Hilary Goldstein's review. Get the game, play the game, come back and talk about the game, but don't attempt to do it in reverse order

I have the game and, even with slider adjust, Shaq is not very scary. He aint Shaq. The good point guards scare you though. hell, even OK point guards are a beast. The lack of Threes kinda sucks too. I dont know man, ESPN just aint that great. Stats are way off so hardcore sim guys not apply. This comin from a dude that loved ID 04. If you liked ID, im not so sure you would like ESPN.

[DocHolliday]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

How do you argue this point without having played the game? You're basing your argument off Hilary Goldstein's review. Get the game, play the game, come back and talk about the game, but don't attempt to do it in reverse order

I have the game and, even with slider adjust, Shaq is not very scary. He aint Shaq. The good point guards scare you though. hell, even OK point guards are a beast. The lack of Threes kinda sucks too. I dont know man, ESPN just aint that great. Stats are way off so hardcore sim guys not apply. This comin from a dude that loved ID 04. If you liked ID, im not so sure you would like ESPN.

[Gilateen]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

i smell attitudes all in this thread........... dont mind me, just let me (blaze)

[Gilateen]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

i smell attitudes all in this thread........... dont mind me, just let me (blaze)

[Court_vision]

Re: This game is like Whoa!

I think your reasoning is flawed, Monkey. Both games only got halfway to the goal of playing like the NBA. As Ludacris has said several times, Live does have different playsets that are similar to real NBA plays, but they are not set up beforehand like ESPN. Fortunately, Live developers had the forethought to let the user switch to the other side to make changes as he sees fit (for opposite of forethought, see ESPN's lack of timeouts by CPU). I agree with you that it would be better to have real NBA plays and have them already set up, but at least with a little effort you can do something about it. Live also has a primacy rating that ensures that the top scorers for each team get the ball a lot like they should.

The lack of any sort of primacy (or something similar) in ESPN is the reason why I think the game is only halfway to playing more like the NBA. Real plays are great, but they don't mean jack to me if the CPU doesn't use those plays to get the ball into the hands of its star players. I don't see how a game is "more like the NBA" when the star players don't get the ball half the time, the coach fails to call crucial timeouts to stop momentum or move upcourt late in the game, and when wacky trades go on each week. Okay, so that last one wasn't gameplay-related, but it is important and has a very cumbersome workaround.

On the other hand, Live gets the ball in the hands of star players but lacks the same level of variation and authenticity in playsets as ESPN, so it is also only halfway there as well.

I think you have a very narrow idea that simply running NBA plays make a game more NBA-like, when it really takes more than that. Neither game is there yet, but both are fun in their own right. Many people think it is "more like the NBA" to see Shaq get the ball down low all the time even though the Heat may not be running the exact plays that they do in real life. At least he tries to dominate down low, rather than hanging out by the 3pt line.
Your definition of NBA-like may seem clear and clean-cut to *you*, but other people can see your point and reasonably disagree.

A lot of excellet points in there

I agree with you that:

1. Stars play more like stars in LIVE. Yes. (However they get it a tonne in ESPN also...but biorythm alows "other" guys to heat up. Look at Kareem Rush in the WC Finals...7 / 8 three pointers)

2. Shaq *is* Shaq in LIVE.

I can see your point re switching. However, what I was saying is that the sets are 'generic'...ie not team specific...

So 'switching' doesn't give them team specific sets. It gives them *something closer* than dynamic.

I agree with you that "both are half way". I think you just summed it up perfectly.

ESPN does the team stuff better...ie Sac running a perfect baseline screen for Peja.

LIVE does the individual stuff better...ie Kobe iso'd, or Shaq down low.

Really, *both* are excellent in their own way.

There's nothing I can say to counter your arguement re LIVE has season mode / doesn't have f---d up trades and some horrible bugs...

There are ways to 'work around' these...but there not ideal and certainly VC slipped BIG time on these issues.

You are absolutely right...

These may be the deciding factors that lead to me playing a full season in LIVE.

Both games are dramatically better than last year, which is good for all of us ultimately...