It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

[HMcCoy]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Hopefully, they will use this "Floor General" thing as the groundwork for an in-depth strategy element in Live '06. This title could really use it.

I watch every Cavs game though, and to be perfectly honest, the Cavs run set plays maybe 20% of the time, and they never shoot off screens. Never. So maybe my perception is skewed...

I hope they implement better playbooks, but at the same time, I don't want the gameplay to be robotic and "over-playbooked" ala ID, and 2K5. I'm so sick of watching a guy catch and shoot when he's off balance and triple-covered...just because that was the play called for. For Rip and Reggie, a ton of screens would be nice, but if I'm plaing the Cavs or 75% of the rest of the league, I only want to see a few plays here and there, but thats it. Most teams just call mini-plays (basket cuts, quick screens) to take advantage of mismatches within the flow of the game. I'd hate to see EA screw up most of the league, just to get the Kings right.

I'm very interested to see how MM is going to turn out, because I'd be shocked if EA didn't port that over to the pro game.

I guess what we want is a realistic look and flow to the offenses...but for me, the fact that I can do J-Macs little runner, and 4-5 of Z's myriad of post moves, and most of LeBrons highlight reel manuevers...I can deal. Live runs a flawless pick and roll sequence, and a vast majority of the players do the appropriate things(IE take the right types of shots) a most of the time, so while I can understand how deeper playbooks are big deal to some, the feel of Live is OK, IMO...

I played the Jazz one time, and changed their playbook to "UTAH". Boozer set high screens for Arroyo about 6-7 times...sometimes Arroyo would penetrate, sometimes Boozer would spot up for the 20 footer, and it was DAMN hard to defend...Perfect? NO. Damn cool, and a fairly accurate representation of a teams overall style? Yes.

BTW, Monk...I know you're a Rocket fan. Have you been watching the games? Whats up with Yao?

[HMcCoy]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Hopefully, they will use this "Floor General" thing as the groundwork for an in-depth strategy element in Live '06. This title could really use it.

I watch every Cavs game though, and to be perfectly honest, the Cavs run set plays maybe 20% of the time, and they never shoot off screens. Never. So maybe my perception is skewed...

I hope they implement better playbooks, but at the same time, I don't want the gameplay to be robotic and "over-playbooked" ala ID, and 2K5. I'm so sick of watching a guy catch and shoot when he's off balance and triple-covered...just because that was the play called for. For Rip and Reggie, a ton of screens would be nice, but if I'm plaing the Cavs or 75% of the rest of the league, I only want to see a few plays here and there, but thats it. Most teams just call mini-plays (basket cuts, quick screens) to take advantage of mismatches within the flow of the game. I'd hate to see EA screw up most of the league, just to get the Kings right.

I'm very interested to see how MM is going to turn out, because I'd be shocked if EA didn't port that over to the pro game.

I guess what we want is a realistic look and flow to the offenses...but for me, the fact that I can do J-Macs little runner, and 4-5 of Z's myriad of post moves, and most of LeBrons highlight reel manuevers...I can deal. Live runs a flawless pick and roll sequence, and a vast majority of the players do the appropriate things(IE take the right types of shots) a most of the time, so while I can understand how deeper playbooks are big deal to some, the feel of Live is OK, IMO...

I played the Jazz one time, and changed their playbook to "UTAH". Boozer set high screens for Arroyo about 6-7 times...sometimes Arroyo would penetrate, sometimes Boozer would spot up for the 20 footer, and it was DAMN hard to defend...Perfect? NO. Damn cool, and a fairly accurate representation of a teams overall style? Yes.

BTW, Monk...I know you're a Rocket fan. Have you been watching the games? Whats up with Yao?

[sirjam]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

[sirjam]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

[HMcCoy]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

Co-sign.

[HMcCoy]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

Co-sign.

[Vince]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

you are 100% correct...

[Vince]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

you are 100% correct...

[Court_vision]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

Which ball club? I know a few Euro teams...actually, it the bigger leagues they run play sets all day (Spain and Croatia)

Yes, some teams do run basic sets...but not all.

Watch Philly and Iverson is coming off screens all game...same with Rip in Detroit...Reggie...

T Wolves run a lot of catch and shoot screens for Spree and Wally...and hey, Allen Houston in New York isn't iso'd all day last time I looked....

Now, Dallas...show me a single play in LIVE that gets Dirk an opne three point shot at the top of the key? There are none.

Yes, like Macca said...we don't want 100% plays like ID04...but man does the game need something.

I played Detroit last night...Sheed brought it up sideways, passed over head (that stupid baseball pass) to Billups...who passed to a sideways walking Rip...who cross overed and shot ...

This happened almost every time a "play" (sic) was "called" (sic) for Rip.

That's nothing like NBA ball...

And there's no point even mentioning teams like Sac, Jersey, Denver and co who run screens and fast breaks...

You guys have a right to defend EA and say "dynamic" is okay...but it's only a partial representation of NBA ball. I guess the question is, do you want a true SIM...or a part one / part arcade etc?

Macca...Yao I don't know...personally, I always rated him as a "rich mans RiK Smits". Ie, better than Smitts...which is a good thing as Smitts was a very good C.

Yao is pretty much the second best C in the league. People seem to expect him to be Wilt / Shaq combined because of the 'hype'. I saw him when he was 18 and the hype hasn't stopped. He won't ever be that player. What he will be is the best C in the NBA who can give you 20 / 10 / 3 and 3.

He'll never be a 40 / 20 guy IMO...but how many are?

[Court_vision]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Most teams use a basic set. Then they break out of that set into a pick and roll or isolation plays. That is 90 percent of the NBA. You have to remember there is only 24 seconds to get a good shot. Now there are some teams that will run curls and such, like Detroit but most just use basics. I know what I am talking about, I used to play professionally in France and a little in Canada.

Which ball club? I know a few Euro teams...actually, it the bigger leagues they run play sets all day (Spain and Croatia)

Yes, some teams do run basic sets...but not all.

Watch Philly and Iverson is coming off screens all game...same with Rip in Detroit...Reggie...

T Wolves run a lot of catch and shoot screens for Spree and Wally...and hey, Allen Houston in New York isn't iso'd all day last time I looked....

Now, Dallas...show me a single play in LIVE that gets Dirk an opne three point shot at the top of the key? There are none.

Yes, like Macca said...we don't want 100% plays like ID04...but man does the game need something.

I played Detroit last night...Sheed brought it up sideways, passed over head (that stupid baseball pass) to Billups...who passed to a sideways walking Rip...who cross overed and shot ...

This happened almost every time a "play" (sic) was "called" (sic) for Rip.

That's nothing like NBA ball...

And there's no point even mentioning teams like Sac, Jersey, Denver and co who run screens and fast breaks...

You guys have a right to defend EA and say "dynamic" is okay...but it's only a partial representation of NBA ball. I guess the question is, do you want a true SIM...or a part one / part arcade etc?

Macca...Yao I don't know...personally, I always rated him as a "rich mans RiK Smits". Ie, better than Smitts...which is a good thing as Smitts was a very good C.

Yao is pretty much the second best C in the league. People seem to expect him to be Wilt / Shaq combined because of the 'hype'. I saw him when he was 18 and the hype hasn't stopped. He won't ever be that player. What he will be is the best C in the NBA who can give you 20 / 10 / 3 and 3.

He'll never be a 40 / 20 guy IMO...but how many are?

[Court_vision]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Hopefully, they will use this "Floor General" thing as the groundwork for an in-depth strategy element in Live '06. This title could really use it.

I watch every Cavs game though, and to be perfectly honest, the Cavs run set plays maybe 20% of the time, and they never shoot off screens. Never. So maybe my perception is skewed...

I hope they implement better playbooks, but at the same time, I don't want the gameplay to be robotic and "over-playbooked" ala ID, and 2K5. I'm so sick of watching a guy catch and shoot when he's off balance and triple-covered...just because that was the play called for. For Rip and Reggie, a ton of screens would be nice, but if I'm plaing the Cavs or 75% of the rest of the league, I only want to see a few plays here and there, but thats it. Most teams just call mini-plays (basket cuts, quick screens) to take advantage of mismatches within the flow of the game. I'd hate to see EA screw up most of the league, just to get the Kings right.

I'm very interested to see how MM is going to turn out, because I'd be shocked if EA didn't port that over to the pro game.

I've heard a 'whisper' they have no intention. I hope that's wrong.

You are right, ESPN overkills the play aspect...ie Lebron catches and shoots just like Peja.

Both teams need to realise the NBA has a huge variety of styles...and capture those accordingly. ie, tonnes of screens for Detroit...tonnes of Iso's for the Cavs.

March Madness, from all accounts, is team specific. Ie, you get that variety...

Which again begs the question, if they can do it for the college game...why not the pros?

Looking forward to getting MM actually. I was kind of going to give it a miss due to the "sliding" and fast breaks...but what the hell...

I seem to get every game every year. My wife can't understand why I need 4 basketball games each year...neither can I

[Court_vision]

Re: It's time for EA to add authentic play sets to this game...

Hopefully, they will use this "Floor General" thing as the groundwork for an in-depth strategy element in Live '06. This title could really use it.

I watch every Cavs game though, and to be perfectly honest, the Cavs run set plays maybe 20% of the time, and they never shoot off screens. Never. So maybe my perception is skewed...

I hope they implement better playbooks, but at the same time, I don't want the gameplay to be robotic and "over-playbooked" ala ID, and 2K5. I'm so sick of watching a guy catch and shoot when he's off balance and triple-covered...just because that was the play called for. For Rip and Reggie, a ton of screens would be nice, but if I'm plaing the Cavs or 75% of the rest of the league, I only want to see a few plays here and there, but thats it. Most teams just call mini-plays (basket cuts, quick screens) to take advantage of mismatches within the flow of the game. I'd hate to see EA screw up most of the league, just to get the Kings right.

I'm very interested to see how MM is going to turn out, because I'd be shocked if EA didn't port that over to the pro game.

I've heard a 'whisper' they have no intention. I hope that's wrong.

You are right, ESPN overkills the play aspect...ie Lebron catches and shoots just like Peja.

Both teams need to realise the NBA has a huge variety of styles...and capture those accordingly. ie, tonnes of screens for Detroit...tonnes of Iso's for the Cavs.

March Madness, from all accounts, is team specific. Ie, you get that variety...

Which again begs the question, if they can do it for the college game...why not the pros?

Looking forward to getting MM actually. I was kind of going to give it a miss due to the "sliding" and fast breaks...but what the hell...

I seem to get every game every year. My wife can't understand why I need 4 basketball games each year...neither can I