The State of NBA Live Franchise Mode

[CMH]

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In all seriousness, what needs to be updated to The Streets over the course of the year?


Seems like it's arcade basketball you play with your friends. What else do you need?


I guess I don't understand why that requires so many resources that a franchise mode can barely get any.

[WTF]

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I see why they're marketing it too... It makes perfect sense.

"Live is in the business of making money"... Weeeeeeelllllllll.... lol. Not in recent memory they aren't. That's part of the reason I want them to shift some of the development resources to provide a more complete experience for every type of gamer.

I'm not oblivious to the fact that we're a smaller and aging group. But we exist, and still in numbers. We have expendable income, for the most part too. But we're also wiser with our money (again, for the most part).

They need to continue improving the One mode, while allocating enough in resources to put forth a complete product. I'm hopeful that with the new Brazil studio, they'll have more than enough resources to really churn out a better experience for everyone.

[vtcrb]

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I see why they're marketing it too... It makes perfect sense.

"Live is in the business of making money"... Weeeeeeelllllllll.... lol. Not in recent memory they aren't. That's part of the reason I want them to shift some of the development resources to provide a more complete experience for every type of gamer.

I'm not oblivious to the fact that we're a smaller and aging group. But we exist, and still in numbers. We have expendable income, for the most part too. But we're also wiser with our money (again, for the most part).

They need to continue improving the One mode, while allocating enough in resources to put forth a complete product. I'm hopeful that with the new Brazil studio, they'll have more than enough resources to really churn out a better experience for everyone.

Exactly last year the focus was on "The One" and that didn't turnout to be a financial gain. As has been stated many times the "Old Guy" are the minority. Well in this age of Social Media, the "Young Guys" sure aren't supporting the game. Just go look at the RTs,Likes, Comments for everything NBA LIVE puts out. Doesn't exactly show me the "Majority" are following like so many claim.

[BANNED_OCFM]

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The problem is, among that imaginary 10% are probably more than half that play franchise modes, but could honestly care less about their depth. Heck, most would prefer as little depth as possible so that the emphasis is on playing games.

Not all franchise players are equal. The niche of team and roster management fans is the actual small part of the people who play.

I think trying to blame Live’s sales struggles on a shallow franchise mode is questionable. 2K has earned a monumental mindshare lead. And while it’s franchise mode is lauded by fans of franchise modes, it’s the MyPlayer and MyTeam modes that dominate the interest in in their target demographics. Younger gamers represent a much better demographic to target, because they have significantly more years of faithful annual purchases. The older we get, the more discerning we get, and the more likely that we leave sports gaming, or gaming in general.

The NBA Live series fell apart due to terrible gameplay. That’s what they had to nail down first. And as much as many of us enjoyed 18’s gameplay, it’s also pretty clear it is still a work in progress.

I expect 19 to sell better, becausecword has gotten out that the gameplay is better. And many, like me, find Live to just feel lighter and more responsive than 2K’s game. If EA wants to build the series, they need to reel in the younger demographic, not the aging franchise guys. They need to sell kids on gameplay, and The One and LUT are much better positioned to do that.

I’m not saying anyone needs to like it. But I think it is foolhardy to expect EA to take an approach to focus on the needs of their smallest and oldest demographic.

I also don't think giving them a pass because we aren't their target demographic is the right way to go about it. I've given feedback for 5 years. When I look at feedback that I've given and things that have been implemented (basic things keep in mind), how much would you venture to say has gotten implemented?


EXACTLY!!! This was an so called " PRIORITY " during NBA LIVE 14's marketing disaster!! We should have been had most of this stuff!!! NBA 2K fans remember NBA LIVE DEVELOPERS talking about how much they had planned for the FRANCHISE but yet year after year, nothing has changed!!! THATS WHY SELLS aren't translating.... 2K fans would rather get screwed over by 2K than EA... For some reason I just think everything they're doing including the events, award reveal, oh my god the interaction on Twitter is just CORNY!!! It's not cool.. Lame! They can't even make people share or retweet what they believe is lit!!! Sad...

[BANNED_OCFM]

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Exactly last year the focus was on "The One" and that didn't turnout to be a financial gain. As has been stated many times the "Old Guy" are the minority. Well in this age of Social Media, the "Young Guys" sure aren't supporting the game. Just go look at the RTs,Likes, Comments for everything NBA LIVE puts out. Doesn't exactly show me the "Majority" are following like so many claim.

Took the words right out of my mouth!! ( I didn't catch this post beforehand lol )

EXACTLY!!!

I see you on Twitter hounding them VTCRB.... You've been consistent too and they ignore you!! But look, anybody can go on YouTube and look at the content... It's overwhelmingly " ADULTS " playing, promoting, and sharing insight on NBA LIVE!! You see the new guys talking about switching over but that's it... There is no younger demographic to appeal too with the THE ONE or PRO-AM.. Let's be honest, the WNBA mode should have took off... It's by far the least mentioned and that's why you got some vacation driven EA GAMECHANGERS out here throwing tidbits... The YouTubers assigned to create content are being limited to what they can do so their constantly battling dry spells.. Guys in the community have started to cannibalize each other ( NBA LIVE IS MINE: I feel you but for real you know what time it with me homie so keep doing what your doing ) and that's making things worst!! Where is the one person that's passionate enough about the game and the fans to stand up and say " LOOK NBA LIVE COMMUNITY " This is what it is and that's the problem!! That department is not capable of doing that... That's the 100% truth!! They just can't...

[MDSavageBeast]

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I'll just be happy when July 31st/August 1st rolls around. Seems like every day you guys are spazzing in here lol. I at least hope they give you guys a reason to spazz (in reference to 19 and not any previous titles).

[vtcrb]

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Took the words right out of my mouth!! ( I didn't catch this post beforehand lol )

EXACTLY!!!

I see you on Twitter hounding them VTCRB.... You've been consistent too and they ignore you!! But look, anybody can go on YouTube and look at the content... It's overwhelmingly " ADULTS " playing, promoting, and sharing insight on NBA LIVE!! You see the new guys talking about switching over but that's it... There is no younger demographic to appeal too with the THE ONE or PRO-AM.. Let's be honest, the WNBA mode should have took off... It's by far the least mentioned and that's why you got some vacation driven EA GAMECHANGERS out here throwing tidbits... The YouTubers assigned to create content are being limited to what they can do so their constantly battling dry spells.. Guys in the community have started to cannibalize each other ( NBA LIVE IS MINE: I feel you but for real you know what time it with me homie so keep doing what your doing ) and that's making things worst!! Where is the one person that's passionate enough about the game and the fans to stand up and say " LOOK NBA LIVE COMMUNITY " This is what it is and that's the problem!! That department is not capable of doing that... That's the 100% truth!! They just can't...

They been ignoring me for years. Lol... I gave them clear feedback about Player Specific Ratings (which they asked me for) and it seemed to hurt their egos. I gave them specific data backing up my feedback, which was on over 50 players(including Superstars). They said thanks for the feedback and have ignored me since then. Lol

[noshun]

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Will we talked about this years ago. Sounds like you're almost ready to join me. Seems the rest are still:

[WTF]

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Will we talked about this years ago. Sounds like you're almost ready to join me. Seems the rest are still:

After this year, Beyond ready man.

[Barncore]

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I don't think we're as much in the minority as they think we are. If this is truly what the people want, why is the game still selling 500k copies, most of which were $5 a pop. That's less than a happy meal, yet people still aren't willing to give this game a shot, when The One is getting rave reviews.

People are looking at it, and saying what else is there after I play this mode. And the answer they're coming up with, is nothing. There is nothing there engaging enough to play after The One. They can play it, and have their fun, but at the end of the day, they still want something more to fall back on.

With the established user base of PS4 and Xbox One consoles out there, if you aren't breaking 1 million copies at $5 a piece, you're doing something wrong.

People gave it good scores on the gameplay front last year, which I somewhat agree with. It's a more free/fun pick up and play game. The demo won a lot of people over, but they still aren't buying it because there's nothing that intrigues them.

If this game, Live 19 doesn't pass 1.5 million combined sales, I'd say it's a gret failure and they need to rethink their strategy.

2k has 10 million copies out there. Even if 10% of the base of 2k ONLY care about franchise mode, that's a pool of 1 million people. If Live gave 1 million additional people another opportunity to see a fresh perspective of franchise mode, at a discount, on a game that's fun and easy to play, I'd say you could convert quite a few players. Not only convert them, but be like me and pick up both of them.

I would almost venture to say, that on a limited install base, the Switch version of NBA 2k18 probably outsold Live did on both Xbox One and PS4, and that's pretty sad.

That's your guess. I have to disagree with this guess. I think it's not getting sales because people think the animations are kinda wack, especially compared to 2K.

The reason for low sales isn't because franchise mode isn't there, it's because the core game isn't great. It doesn't look as "wet", and it's not as deep.

People wouldn't even notice the lack of game mode depth until after they buy the game anyway

[TannerYoho]

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That's your guess. I have to disagree with this guess. I think it's not getting sales because people think the animations are kinda wack, especially compared to 2K.

The reason for low sales isn't because franchise mode isn't there, it's because the core game isn't great. It doesn't look as "wet", and it's not as deep.

People wouldn't even notice the lack of game mode depth until after they buy the game anyway

I think people would notice the lack of game modes without buying. When all that has been talked about is streets. It's literally being marketed as a street ball game. They've released mobile news (!) before Franchise and LUT.

I agree with WTF on almost all fronts here.

I played The One for a week. Got about halfway through the season and get bored. Hopped on to franchise and played for an hour before realizing it's just play now games and basically nothing else. I haven't picked up the game since then.

I think people see its just a street ball game. And why buy Live when you can get 2k and get streetball, proam, and franchise? I know Im not buying it if franchise isn't improved.

If Live would build fleshed out modes I think people would be willing to try them especially when it's on sale for 5 bucks. But when there's no modes worth trying Noone is going to buy it.

[TannerYoho]

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I already told WTF this on Twitter, but the lack of response from any dev is alarming to me. Can't even get a "hey franchise got some improvements!" I know they said "mid to late July".

But it's the 27th, and there hasn't been a HINT of anything. Meanwhile we've been shown multiple street courts, clothes and shoes, and even their Mobile game. That tells me pretty much all I need to know. I hope I'm wrong but it feels like we're going to get marginal improvements at best. Probably one or two small things. If they had something big it would've been teased by now. There isn't even a franchise blurb on the game description on gamestop.com


Hoping for the best, Im not giving 2k my money regardless, But expecting the worst.


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[chrislive1994]

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Thats the thing, even if 2K knows that MyGM/MyLeague is the least played of their major modes, they don't see that as an excuse to not make it fully fleshed out, no matter who plays the mode everyday or who plays it once and never touches it again. They will consistently have the same player base for that mode because its a worthwhile mode that you can sink your teeth into for years to come.

Once Live figures that out, then sky's the limit.

[Feros Ferio 7]

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So they still haven't fixed the way the salary cap works for 19?

It's makes franchise way too easy along with the other points put here.


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[WTF]

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They've not mentioned anything for Live 19. This is about the state of the mode heading into 19.