The State of NBA Live Franchise Mode

[JoshC1977]

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That said, it would be nice to at least have a playable franchise mode. Madden's CFM is far from great, but you can at least get through multiple seasons without too much hassle. I believe that a workable mode is what most of us in this thread are looking for.

This is exactly where I am. Make the mode workable and I will buy it even at full price. I want a FUN basketball game that I can play a season or two of franchise with. Live's gameplay was fun for me last year and I'd expect more of the same this year....I just want a team-oriented mode to play it in offline.

[TannerYoho]

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NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.


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[oldman]

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NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.


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That is the same thing I was thinking. Any data from last year's game would have been very misleading!

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[WTF]

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I've sat in on meetings that they've talked about how they get their target audience/demographics. There's a LOT of factors that can skew it.

I'm simply saying, that if their target demographics don't buy their game this year, after all of their resources have went towards this mode, perhaps it's time they re-calibrate their focus.

[JayhawkerStL]

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NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.


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You don't think they focus group test 2K players? And data can still tell you at what point doing they stop playing a mode. And did they turn the game off, or play something else? How often do they play, and what do they go to first? What modes do they play in other EA sports games?

And focus testing can tell them a lot about what players of Live and 2K like in franchise modes, and what they think is annoying. I do hope franchise is improved, But I think it is foolish to think they are even going to approach what 2K is doing this year.

And let's be clear, this is not about Live not needing franchise. It's about how they invest in building up the game over iterations, and what they focus on first. And 2K still massively owns the mindshare of basketball gamers.

[oldman]

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You don't think they focus group test 2K players? And data can still tell you at what point doing they stop playing a mode. And did they turn the game off, or play something else? How often do they play, and what do they go to first? What modes do they play in other EA sports games?

And focus testing can tell them a lot about what players of Live and 2K like in franchise modes, and what they think is annoying. I do hope franchise is improved, But I think it is foolish to think they are even going to approach what 2K is doing this year.

And let's be clear, this is not about Live not needing franchise. It's about how they invest in building up the game over iterations, and what they focus on first. And 2K still massively owns the mindshare of basketball gamers.

I won't speak for others, but I for one have not said Live's franchise needs to be as good as what 2k offers. I have been asking for a step forward, something to show us to keep the faith.

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[TannerYoho]

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I won't speak for others, but I for one have not said Live's franchise needs to be as good as what 2k offers. I have been asking for a step forward, something to show us to keep the faith.

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Agree. Don't expect that AT ALL. Not even in the slightest. Just basic things like in game injuries, cpu Trades, scouting. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel. But at least go to the junk yard and buy a cheap wheel.


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[oldman]

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Agree. Don't expect that AT ALL. Not even in the slightest. Just basic things like in game injuries, cpu Trades, scouting. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel. But at least go to the junk yard and buy a cheap wheel.


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Exactly. Just make it functional...


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[MDSavageBeast]

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Alright fellas. Day of Reckoning. Unleash your fury on EA. Lol.

#LateJuly

[Gosens6]

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FYI: I'm 50

I'm not anti-old guys. I do tire of old guys that continually privilege their view over everyone else.

EA is not doing anything willy nilly. They run focus groups, track telemetry data, and are always looking for ways to maximize sales and revenue. So when they do something, my first instinct isn't to react about how it affects me, but look at why they made the choices they did.

At some point, once you realize you are no longer the target demographic, it's okay to just walk away, or try to enjoy something differently. You might be surprised how much more fun life is if you try to enjoy things the younger generation are doing rather than fighting it so hard all the time. Because the younger generation wins every time.

Companies have to change and adapt. Look at TV right now. My daughter just turned 21, lives with two roommates, and while they have a TV, they don't have an antenna or cable. they don't watch it. They use it for console gaming. Everything else is Netflix, Hulu and so on, and they use their laptops and phones. You think TV execs want to hear what I think about how to distribute TV and what kinds of shows to watch? Those days are over. It's nothing to be mad or bummed about. It's the way life works.

Further, you know where most of my posts are here? Madden and Live, right now. Both games are preordered, and I am anxious to play them. I don't post about TGC, which I don't like. Before 2014, I never really posted about Madden at all. Hated the series, so I didn't play it. So what did I have to offer?

When I started to bounce off The Show again this year, I didn't start posting about what I didn't like about it, I started playing and thinking about other stuff. I'm not anti-old guys. I'm anti-grumps that can't figure out how to stop obsessing over a game they don't like anymore.

All valid points, but here's what WTF and many others are trying to say I believe.

2K gives us a full fledged my career mode, online, streetball, pro-am game, while STILL catering to the off-line franchise players. They have the deepest franchise mode I have ever seen in any sports game from this generation or the last.

They've spoiled us. They cater to both sides of the fence and they do it quite well. With what they've given us, all we ask is why can't Live, Madden, The Show, or any other game give us that depth?

It's like they start focusing on online modes and lose the capability to do anything for the offline portion of the game. 2K sells copies in the millions and does online and offline pretty damn well.

I hate the "demographic" or "target audience" excuses. 2K has proven year after year that they can deliver a solid product to both audiences. So what the hell is the excuse for the other games?

[sheehy83]

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I think it comes down to budget. 2k has endless budget with being top of the market and McScrooge Duck amount of VC dollars. With that, I imagine they just have way more staff to assign to different modes.

I am not a franchise guy...at all... But I really hope EA are able to meet your needs on here as 18 was an absolute breath of fresh air compared to 2k and would love to see it grow. I think the focus on the street is to bring in money and then I'd hope once they have a high enough player base, they can hire more staff to flesh out the complete package.

As a player of EA UFC, I remember a similar discussion on their lack of Dev resources compared to other EA sports games and it's just that annoying catch 22 of not getting more resources until you sell more but we can't sell more until we get more resources to make the game better.

Sorry for the long post, just as a mainly The One Street league player who dabbles in Street online, it's obvious from this thread that franchise does in fact need some love to attract a wider audience so hope for all Live fans sake, ye get some good news soon!

[oldman]

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Alright fellas. Day of Reckoning. Unleash your fury on EA. Lol.

#LateJuly

This is the same thing that I woke up thinking. For whatever reason the story has been that we will know more in late July. Well, here we are, late July...

[WTF]

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Yeah, and keep in mind, that was just posted on Twitter or in an interview, can't remember which.

I'm hopeful that we get something, anything soon on the state of the mode.

[dasunsrule32]

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Yeah, and keep in mind, that was just posted on Twitter or in an interview, can't remember which.

I'm hopeful that we get something, anything soon on the state of the mode.

Is there anyone you can reach out to and ask for info on Franchise? [emoji16]

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[WTF]

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I'm under NDA.