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  • slowdifference
    Pro
    • May 2012
    • 518

    #241
    Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

    Originally posted by ClipsFanSince98
    Not mutually exclusive. Reviewers are overly kind to both, for different reasons. Live is getting more benefit of doubt because it's being compared to what it was, not judged as what exactly it is so much. 2K is far more offensive to me. They basically roster patch the game and send it out every year. Like clockwork critics praise it as "The best basketbal game ever!" Only to have metacritic fans rip it alive and give it a 5.5 user rating. They have the SAME issues for 3+ years (glitches, servers and more) and refuse to address them.

    I'd rather support the game that collapsed, and is inferior by a bit, but is making leaps year by year and gaining ground. If they can patch a couple settings, add injuries and improve franchise mode, 2K will lose a lot of business next year.
    I definitely don't believe 2k is just a roster update. Every year they add meaningful changes to mode and a little gameplay changes. I would never use Metacritic to judge a game.

    Live to me is still about 8 years behind 2k. I'll give you 2k has issues but Live has more than them. I just wish people would evaluate the game on what it is not what they wish it would be.

    I'll give EA props on the one. It fun to be had there. Everything else is just bad.
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    • CujoMatty
      Member of Rush Nation
      • Oct 2007
      • 5445

      #242
      Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

      Originally posted by pdawg17
      Big stat for me as a Live 18 gamer is the points in the paint. Last year that number would've been in the 65-75 range. I think the NBA average range is around 40-50 so that looks great!
      A good general rule is points in the paint is around half your points. It’s something I really look for in a basketball game. I’m on game 17 of my franchise and every game has been right around the half my points are PIP. You get the odd game where it’s a bit higher or a bit lower but nothing like the crazy numbers in 18 that you mentioned.

      Honestly all the stats I’ve been getting are right in line with real stats except turnovers are generally a little low for cpu and shooting percentages are a bit high. Not sure how to fix cpu turnovers.

      As far as shooting percentages I use the shot meter and am fairly decent at it so I have the sliders mid range and 3 point shots at 30. Inside shots and layup ability also at 30. I get around the 47% league average most games.

      For cpu I’m still experimenting but inside shots and layup ability at 25 with mid range and 3 point shots at 45 have been giving me close numbers. I also have game at 60 game speed and play on all star.
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      • CujoMatty
        Member of Rush Nation
        • Oct 2007
        • 5445

        #243
        Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

        Originally posted by slowdifference
        I definitely don't believe 2k is just a roster update. Every year they add meaningful changes to mode and a little gameplay changes. I would never use Metacritic to judge a game.

        Live to me is still about 8 years behind 2k. I'll give you 2k has issues but Live has more than them. I just wish people would evaluate the game on what it is not what they wish it would be.

        I'll give EA props on the one. It fun to be had there. Everything else is just bad.
        I just can’t care. Review scores are nothing more than an opinion. Every one of us has read numerous reviews on things and thought the reviewer must be smoking crack. Just an opinion.
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        2018 NLL Champion Saskatchewan Rush
        2019 CEBL Champion Saskatchewan Rattlers

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        • ClipsFanSince98
          Rookie
          • Sep 2015
          • 67

          #244
          Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

          Originally posted by slowdifference
          I definitely don't believe 2k is just a roster update. Every year they add meaningful changes to mode and a little gameplay changes. I would never use Metacritic to judge a game.

          Live to me is still about 8 years behind 2k. I'll give you 2k has issues but Live has more than them. I just wish people would evaluate the game on what it is not what they wish it would be.

          I'll give EA props on the one. It fun to be had there. Everything else is just bad.

          Wrong. 2K adds meaningful things, then it inexplicably is gone the next year. Comes back a year or two later and it's "We added things". For example this year the rave is "Defense is back!". Well it should of never went away, because in previous 2K's it was really fun playing defense. They have done the exact same with post up game. They alternate years between when a post game is rewarded or not. That isn't improvement, that's an illusion of improvement.

          2K STILL hasn't addressed any of the core problems for YEARS, which can only be viewed as an intentional middle finger at this point. They distract you with small, meaningless in the long term things for now.

          If you think Live is 8 years behind 2K, you quite frankly have a poor understanding of development time. Live is a few changes from being an equal. That said, if your goal is just to play a fun game of basketball right now, Live has already surpassed 2K in just two years IMO.

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          • Earl1963
            MVP
            • Aug 2003
            • 1985

            #245
            Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

            What happened to the Live 19 impressions? Too many 2k people in here making comparisons to their favorite game. This ain’t 2k.


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            • ClipsFanSince98
              Rookie
              • Sep 2015
              • 67

              #246
              Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

              Originally posted by CujoMatty
              I just can’t care. Review scores are nothing more than an opinion. Every one of us has read numerous reviews on things and thought the reviewer must be smoking crack. Just an opinion.
              I wouldn't say that necessarily. Reviews exist, because there is value to them. They are wrong occasionally, but usually right. At least audience/fan reviews with large sampling. The reason 2K gets **** on annually by fans is a refusal from 2K to address years long issues like servers, glitches and now microtransactions pissed a lot of people off.

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              • Schwall
                NBA Live Gameplay Designer
                • Jul 2014
                • 98

                #247
                Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                Originally posted by Fist Of Kings
                I watched gamespot's review on live 19 and it has microtransactions in it too unfortunately. That was my main draw towards live 18, but the bad commentary and lack of deep franchise mode improvements made me wait for a massive price drop if I do decide to get this.
                Any micro transaction is in ultimate team, but there are so many events to play that you can get a good team without paying.

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                • FerdBrown
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 1200

                  #248
                  Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                  Originally posted by ILLSmak
                  Yo live is fire. I am not really lavish w praise as we know. I made a second guy, a slasher pg of Iversons size. Just playing cpu and having fun. Got to get off this garbage day difficulty but once I pump it up I'm actually enjoying playing vs the cpu. Love the movement and the speed of my guy in the open floor. 93 speed is insane.



                  Edit:live 18 dudes, this is night and day. I think waiting is prudent but if you got 18, 40is a good deal.



                  -Smak


                  Yup. Bought mine via LIVE 18 discounted pre order. 4 hours before the show!

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                  • ClipsFanSince98
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 67

                    #249
                    Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                    Originally posted by Schwall
                    Any micro transaction is in ultimate team, but there are so many events to play that you can get a good team without paying.
                    Also due to very good balance of taking time but not too much, it's way less grindy than 2K. You can compete just find without paying. With 2K the grind is so extreme that without microtransaction purchases you'll get burned out, or far behind competion, way before maxing out or significantly improving a character.

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                    • FerdBrown
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 1200

                      #250
                      Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                      Originally posted by ILLSmak
                      I hope it's different when I get in the league now that I'm drafted. I didn't dominate but I got fifth pick. It was already on superstar so the one difficulty is much different than play now, to me, I got bamba (sp?) like 13-13, surprised he didn't go first after that but I guess it's predetermined to go like real life.



                      -Smak


                      I’d rather go UN DRAFTED as it messes up with real life round pick selections. I’ll under perform in combine and hope a grade zero make teams uninterested.

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                      • FerdBrown
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 1200

                        #251
                        Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                        Originally posted by ClipsFanSince98
                        Not mutually exclusive. Reviewers are overly kind to both, for different reasons. Live is getting more benefit of doubt because it's being compared to what it was, not judged as what exactly it is so much. 2K is far more offensive to me. They basically roster patch the game and send it out every year. Like clockwork critics praise it as "The best basketbal game ever!" Only to have metacritic fans rip it alive and give it a 5.5 user rating. They have the SAME issues for 3+ years (glitches, servers and more) and refuse to address them.



                        I'd rather support the game that collapsed, and is inferior by a bit, but is making leaps year by year and gaining ground. If they can patch a couple settings, add injuries and improve franchise mode, 2K will lose a lot of business next year.


                        For 2K I don’t care much about it except MyLeague. That’s why I did not buy it and waiting after the February trade deadline and see if I can get discount or used copies.

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                        • Fist Of Kings
                          Pro
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 793

                          #252
                          Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                          Originally posted by slowdifference
                          I definitely don't believe 2k is just a roster update. Every year they add meaningful changes to mode and a little gameplay changes. I would never use Metacritic to judge a game.

                          Live to me is still about 8 years behind 2k. I'll give you 2k has issues but Live has more than them. I just wish people would evaluate the game on what it is not what they wish it would be.

                          I'll give EA props on the one. It fun to be had there. Everything else is just bad.



                          I definitely don't discredit reviews, and usually the people that do this don't like, or want to admit a game's flaws. But playing live 18 for hundreds of hours, and following what little info was given for this year's game(besides the streetball stuff), I couldn't preorder it, even though I was looking for reasons to go ahead and get the game now. It seemed like the devs hid, or didn't want to mention any info on roster editing or franchise mode: since one isn't in the game, and the other received minor updates, but is still poor overall.

                          But the 2 reviews I've seen of it summed up my time with last year's game, average scores for an average game, only now with microtransactions, one thing live 18 was praised for not having a year ago. And that's what I expected of live 19 this year: that being a fun at times, yet average game overall, with mostly a streetball experience, that still suffers from live's usual wonkiness/odd gameplay quirks, with no roster editing, still a bad franchise mode, and bad commentary.


                          It will be interesting to see what the reaction to live 19 is a couple of months from now when the new game feeling wears off.

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                          • ILLSmak
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 2397

                            #253
                            Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                            Originally posted by FerdBrown
                            I’d rather go UN DRAFTED as it messes up with real life round pick selections. I’ll under perform in combine and hope a grade zero make teams uninterested.

                            Makes sense, I just want to ball out and see how high I can get my score, but the combine is on a joke difficulty. I played Live into the wee hours and I got a few more comments 'of interest' about the game.


                            First on The League, as you talked about messing with real life, I was drafted 5th by Dallas, screenshot it to show my 2k friends (cuz I wanted to show them I made a little Iverson guy, when most short guys in 2k are extra trash), then I load it up and I'm on Atlanta. haha. Superstar the one league is pretty hard. I've won, your teammates play well, but like on my Ivo guy I'd try to do a lot by myself and if you start trying to do too much, you get beat by 40. It's funny, we won our first game and coach bumped my minutes up to 30 instantly. I was like man I'm gonna be starting soon. Every game after, it's decreased. I'm gonna be in the G League. haha. It's kind of fun to know there's that pressure (to lose minutes), and I'm not changing the difficulty even though it is exceptionally hard at times. Like old 2k hard. Old 2k vs hard, cuz usually in Career even on the hardest difficulty you can do a hard cut and score every time. Not in this, that I've found at least.


                            Second is online. Disappointingly, the 5 on 5 pro am was not popping last night. I didn't get on it until like 1 or so my time, and I think I played 3 or 4 games. Lost every one. Most full I got was 3 v 3 for the whole game, other times it started as 3 v 3 but everyone quit so I had to play 3 v 1. Some people doing some wild stuff online. A lot of people are really bad. I saw a guy get 40 put on him from open 3s and step back 3s. He kept trying to go back at the guy, and it's like... man dribbling the ball around and going 6-20 isn't going to make it look any better.



                            I saw one guy who I couldn't make pick up the ball. He was a playmaker and a kept crossing over hard. He was spamming it, but he did have skill. Unfortunately, with 4 computers vs 3 decent players, you are dead. Just gotta play for the exp and get some assists to cpus.



                            I'll have more thoughts on 5 v 5 once I can get a full 5 on 5 with decent players on both sides. At least 3: you need someone to guard their scorer and someone to protect the rim to stop elite groups. I haven't tried 3s yet (11 eh), vs, or court battle. People who spam cross overs are helped by Lives kind of protective reach in rules, but I made all 3 of my guys (Hakeem post anchor of pf size, ivo size slasher, and a Pip who I made short and jacked, kinda like a 6'4 SG/SF stopper.) I find it much easier to steal from the cpu on superstar without fouling on my Pip, even tho Iverson's sig skill is stealing so, I'm gonna say online probably "it's balanced", so far, but did take a bunch of tough losses to people with simple game plans. Unfort, the computer ain't ready to defend dribble spam or rotate to the rim.





                            Still having fun. haha. Have had more fun trying to beat superstar cpu than playing half full 5 on 5s, for sure.



                            -Smak

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                            • Calvenn
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 698

                              #254
                              Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                              Originally posted by ClipsFanSince98
                              I wouldn't say that necessarily. Reviews exist, because there is value to them. They are wrong occasionally, but usually right. At least audience/fan reviews with large sampling. The reason 2K gets **** on annually by fans is a refusal from 2K to address years long issues like servers, glitches and now microtransactions pissed a lot of people off.
                              I agree with this for the most part. Allow me to say the following however. Honestly, how does Gamespot assign to Live 19 a score of 7 which happens to be the exact same score they applied to Live 18? You mean to tell me they did not notice any or enough improvements between both games?

                              We all know the game has room for growth and should be rightfully docked for lack of substantial improvements to Franchise, etc. Having said that, Gamespot is clearly not accounting for (in their scoring) all the areas and modes where key progression is very evident (gameplay, ONE, etc). Please don't say the minimal microtransactions warrant this final tally.

                              As you can imagine, I find their score to be questionable. It would make more sense to rate the game from a 7.5 to 8.0, for example. Anyhow, just my opinion.
                              Last edited by Calvenn; 09-07-2018, 04:23 PM. Reason: nm

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                              • slowdifference
                                Pro
                                • May 2012
                                • 518

                                #255
                                Re: Official NBA Live 19 Impressions thread

                                Originally posted by ClipsFanSince98
                                Wrong. 2K adds meaningful things, then it inexplicably is gone the next year. Comes back a year or two later and it's "We added things". For example this year the rave is "Defense is back!". Well it should of never went away, because in previous 2K's it was really fun playing defense. They have done the exact same with post up game. They alternate years between when a post game is rewarded or not. That isn't improvement, that's an illusion of improvement.

                                2K STILL hasn't addressed any of the core problems for YEARS, which can only be viewed as an intentional middle finger at this point. They distract you with small, meaningless in the long term things for now.

                                If you think Live is 8 years behind 2K, you quite frankly have a poor understanding of development time. Live is a few changes from being an equal. That said, if your goal is just to play a fun game of basketball right now, Live has already surpassed 2K in just two years IMO.

                                I'm simply going to lol at the bolded part. I have a great command of development cycles. This Live plays like a game that would have come out in 2010.
                                Am I trolling? Am I serious? Did Dennis Green and the Cardinals really "let them off the hook"? What about the children? Find out next week

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