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  • Wiffyjustus
    Rookie
    • Oct 2008
    • 378

    #31
    Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

    Originally posted by ILLSmak
    The reason why I am starting to hate 2k fans (even though I am an active member of the 2k forum) is that they refuse to accept that their game is just as flawed as Live.

    I prefer Live this year, but Live has its huge problems, too...

    This is just a bad year for video game basketball... if you ask me. It makes me sad.

    -Smak
    I know what you mean.

    Back in '95 it was enough just to be able to run in 8 directions and have a turbo and shoot button.

    These days players want everything. Realistic play, realistic stats. I don't envy the guys working on the games. Especially with the constant yearly turn around, which the companies bring upon themselves.

    Bball is a team game that allows for A LOT of individual creativity. So you've gotta create AI, animations etc for running each play. Then you've gotta allow for any bits of improvisation within each play. The defense has got to react naturally to any break in play.
    I believe Bball is the hardest game to accurately replicate.

    2K have covered the 'look' of the game better than anyone else. But I don't feel very 'in control' of what is happening on court.

    Live doesn't have the last library of animations but I feel more in control of my player and what is happening on court. (I think having the 'skinny' player model help make it easier to see plays developing, openings in the defense etc.)

    Yes, we should always be givng the devs constructive criticism to help them reach the perfect game. It is something we and they should always strive for.

    The perfect bball video game may never come. Until that day I just ask that the game that I play...

    ...be fun,

    ...fulfills my basketball needs. I care not for accurate stats, just a fun game that feels like basketball. If I want 100% accurate then I will watch an actual game.

    ...allows me to think in 'basketball' terms
    "feed the post"
    "run an iso play"
    "set a pick"

    i don't want to always be thinking of complex controls
    "okay, I'm in the post, now what buttons do I press, which trigger do I pull?"

    Anyway I've rambled on for too long again, so I'll cut it there.

    But yes I am a casual player as opposed to hard core. Most players seem to be *hardcore and that's great. More power to ya.

    I'm just saying enjoy the journey (towards the perfect game) because we might never get to the destination.



    J

    *(either hardcore sim or hardcore cheese)

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    • Walker8
      Banned
      • Nov 2003
      • 980

      #32
      Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

      It has nothing to do with being casual vs hardcore. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. 2k9 may capture the nba, but Live plays a solid game of basketball imo. Whats weird is nba 2k9 is more about if it's in the game, it's in the game at this point. Live is more about it might not be in our game, but what we do we do pretty well. 2k9 is more authentic and allows you to do more and is moer realistic in that sense. But Live is more realistic when it comes to fun and actual basketball and capturing that. If you are a sim head and want to be able to do and see all the things that players in the nba do, then NBA 2k9 is for you. If you want a realistic fun game of basketball, then Live is the game. Both games really have their pluses and minuses this year and you can't really say one is more sim than the other. They are both realistic, AND CHEESY in their own way.
      Last edited by Walker8; 11-10-2008, 07:21 PM.

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      • TreyFury97
        Rookie
        • Sep 2002
        • 424

        #33
        Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

        Originally posted by stephensonmc
        You remember that?

        It wasn't so much a code, but you'd go into create player and put "Ervin Johnson" as the name, and once you did, all of his bio and statistical information would show up.

        Loved that.
        It was NBA Live 96...I remember it most because It was the first time I remember that regardless of what direction a player was facing, they would shoot w/ there correct hand. I remember playing against the Grizzlies, and Greg Anthony (their starting PG) pulling up for a mid range jumper. I saw him raise up, and was like WTF?...b/c it looked so strange. Then I replayed it, and realized they actually had him shooting with the correct hand...blew my mind, b/c I hadn't seen before (the players used to shoot right handed jumpers facing one direction, and left handed the other)
        Trey's Teams to Watch:

        UCLA Bruins B-Ball
        American Eagles B-Ball
        LA Lakers
        Arsenal Gunners

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        • Wiffyjustus
          Rookie
          • Oct 2008
          • 378

          #34
          Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

          Originally posted by Walker8
          It has nothing to do with being casual vs hardcore. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. 2k9 may capture the nba, but Live plays a solid game of basketball imo. Whats weird is nba 2k9 is more about if it's in the game, it's in the game at this point. Live is more about it might not be in our game, but what we do we do pretty well. 2k9 is more authentic and allows you to do more and is moer realistic in that sense. But Live is more realistic when it comes to fun and actual basketball and capturing that. If you are a sim head and want to be able to do and see all the things that players in the nba do, then NBA 2k9 is for you. If you want a realistic fun game of basketball, then Live is the game. Both games really have their pluses and minuses this year and you can't really say one is more sim than the other. They are both realistic, AND CHEESY in their own way.
          Totally agree.

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          • The 24th Letter
            ERA
            • Oct 2007
            • 39373

            #35
            Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

            Who cares how fans act about thier favorite game? or if they refuse to see a flaw that you see? I mean really...think about it..."Im beginning to hate -insert here- fans because...." is really becoming one of those lame statements the community is starting to use...but it makes NO sense whatsoever....(and thats not a shot at you Wiffy, just in general)

            Everyone feels like they have to validate the choice they made for some reason, and that goes for BOTH sides.....if anything, thats what is sad to me lol

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            • PSU_DW2
              Banned
              • Oct 2005
              • 1081

              #36
              Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

              College Hoops 2K6 for Original Xbox.

              ESPN College Hoops 2K5 on PS2 is solid too.

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              • Wiffyjustus
                Rookie
                • Oct 2008
                • 378

                #37
                Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                Who cares how fans act about thier favorite game? or if they refuse to see a flaw that you see? I mean really...think about it..."Im beginning to hate -insert here- fans because...." is really becoming one of those lame statements the community is starting to use...but it makes NO sense whatsoever....(and thats not a shot at you Wiffy, just in general)

                Everyone feels like they have to validate the choice they made for some reason, and that goes for BOTH sides.....if anything, thats what is sad to me lol
                I know, it's crazy.

                "I hate Live."

                "Well, I hate 2K."

                "Well, I hate Live Fanboys"

                "I hate 2K fanboys"

                "I hate people who hate fanboys"

                ...and it goes on and on.

                Why can't we all just get along.

                Though I think this thread has been pretty good so far. Not too much bashing.

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                • Wiffyjustus
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 378

                  #38
                  Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                  My Grandmama always said if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.

                  (Note: This is not directed at anyone here. It's just a general comment.)
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                  Last edited by Wiffyjustus; 11-11-2008, 03:19 AM.

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                  • 23bluesman
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 828

                    #39
                    Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                    Originally posted by Walker8
                    It has nothing to do with being casual vs hardcore. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. 2k9 may capture the nba, but Live plays a solid game of basketball imo. Whats weird is nba 2k9 is more about if it's in the game, it's in the game at this point. Live is more about it might not be in our game, but what we do we do pretty well. 2k9 is more authentic and allows you to do more and is moer realistic in that sense. But Live is more realistic when it comes to fun and actual basketball and capturing that. If you are a sim head and want to be able to do and see all the things that players in the nba do, then NBA 2k9 is for you. If you want a realistic fun game of basketball, then Live is the game. Both games really have their pluses and minuses this year and you can't really say one is more sim than the other. They are both realistic, AND CHEESY in their own way.
                    Great post man. I definitely agree.

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                    • Wiffyjustus
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 378

                      #40
                      Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                      Originally posted by Walker8
                      Both games really have their pluses and minuses this year and you can't really say one is more sim than the other. They are both realistic, AND CHEESY in their own way.
                      You can cheese in any game if you really want to.

                      Cheesing is a lifestyle choice.
                      :wink:

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                      • Mos1ted
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 2267

                        #41
                        Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                        Originally posted by stephensonmc
                        You remember that?

                        It wasn't so much a code, but you'd go into create player and put "Ervin Johnson" as the name, and once you did, all of his bio and statistical information would show up.

                        Loved that.
                        Haha, yeah that was Live '96. I loved that game!!! I was 13 when that game came out and too broke to buy it, so I would rent it repeatedly (little did I know that I could just have saved up the money I spent on renting it to buy it LOL). Live 2000 was also a personal fave of mine.
                        According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.

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                        • LingeringRegime
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 17089

                          #42
                          Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                          I couldn't agree more with the OP. I was a EA Basketball Guy waaaaaaay back in the day, before there was an EA Sports. It was just called Electronic Arts. Lakers Vs. Celtics on the IBM, with a pink and greenish color palette. It only had the 16 playoff teams. I was amazed to see Jordan, Isaiah, Magic, Clyde, and Karl Malone in the game! Then I left EA for 2K, and this year I thought it would be the same. I bought 2K day one, and really enjoyed it. Then I saw a sale on Black Friday for Live. And since then, Live is the NBA game I like more. Even after the patch for 2K, I tried to play it, but it just doesn't compare with live in terms of gameplay. I may even do the unthinkable and trade 2K9 in. (I can't believe I just said that.)

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                          • Court_vision
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8290

                            #43
                            Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                            Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
                            I couldn't agree more with the OP. I was a EA Basketball Guy waaaaaaay back in the day, before there was an EA Sports. It was just called Electronic Arts. Lakers Vs. Celtics on the IBM, with a pink and greenish color palette. It only had the 16 playoff teams. I was amazed to see Jordan, Isaiah, Magic, Clyde, and Karl Malone in the game! Then I left EA for 2K, and this year I thought it would be the same. I bought 2K day one, and really enjoyed it. Then I saw a sale on Black Friday for Live. And since then, Live is the NBA game I like more. Even after the patch for 2K, I tried to play it, but it just doesn't compare with live in terms of gameplay. I may even do the unthinkable and trade 2K9 in. (I can't believe I just said that.)
                            Lakers v Celtics was my first game also

                            And, yeah...I am right about where you are. I just can't seem to get into 2K9.

                            Put it back in on the weekend...within an hour, it was back out and put up on my shelf.

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                            • GSW
                              Simnation
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 8041

                              #44
                              Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                              i remmeebr in nba live 95 reggie miller and mitch richmond could hit halfcourt threes at a 100% clip.

                              it was nuts.
                              #Simnation

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                              • bigwig
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 64

                                #45
                                Re: It's not you 2k... it's me.

                                Originally posted by GSW
                                i remmeebr in nba live 95 reggie miller and mitch richmond could hit halfcourt threes at a 100% clip.

                                it was nuts.

                                Lol, I remember trading for mitch richmond cause he could hit that shot everytime.

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