New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

That sums it up for some people at least...

While I like that the D can stay in front of you in Live, I dont like that it requires a crossover eveytime to get by them everytime, its just not realistic to me...Kobe should just be able to get past Steve Nash w\o a killer cross....Doing a cross over with Pietrus to get to the basket just wasnt fulfulling at all for me lol

The game still has that generic aspect to it that it had last year to me (on the floor at least) Alot of the same animations over and over....collision detection is cool...but when your stopping in the middle of your drive move to initiate the same collision animation all the time, it gets old very quickly. Also, for gamer like me....stats at the end of the game arent nearly as important as how much I enjoyed the game while getting there..

All that being said, the game isnt bad...I have it as well as 2k. 2ks getting all my time so far though......and I dont forsee a switch...

To each his own

Eh.. this is going to be a theme throughout all year. Guys aren't getting that in Live 10 they have the most realistic defense we've seen. You can't cross passed a guy who's playing back you, because he has you covered on both sides, but you can cross him if he's up in your grill.

Have you tried size ups? They get you passed your guy cause you're forcing him to get up close.

It's beauty that sadly less and less people will realize and experience because of the 2K blow by via juke years.

Last year on 2K online I had a guy use juke + dunk to score like 70 points with Jason Richardson, no joke. Every time down juke + dunk, nothing could stop it.

[chadskee]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

2k looks better and is smoother; plus the blocking and rebounding is better.

But there is a reason I'm going to Live. It makes me play real basketball. If I start to play old 2k video game basketball... I lose... and the only person I have to blame is me. Not the ghosting animations, not anything. Just bad decisions.

[ILLSmak]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

In response to poster:

You are probably going to be disappointed in Live if you are an offline gamer. The area that Live shines over 2k has always been online. It has balance between offense and defense and it is (in my experience) 95% lag-free. In 2k, I don't know if I've ever played a lag-free game. But I stopped @ 2k8. It was just something you did for online... adjusting to the lag.

There was a great gameplay feature which allowed you and your friends to team up for a 5 on 5 game using the NBA team of your choice and it would keep your 'clubs' record as well as your individual stats. Unfortunately, that mode was replace by a arcade street ball mode this year. That would be another thing to take into account when pondering a Live purchase.

If you really want to use intelligence to succeed in basketball and know that you will always have a counter to every of the opponents moves, Live would be your game. If you want to immerse yourself in offline play, then maybe you should stick to 2k. I can't stand playing against the computer at all in Live... while 2ks AI is even more mechanical at least their Franchise mode gets you interested enough to look past it.

PS: I did the Live switch last year. I believe that, contrary to popular belief, last year was the year that Live surpassed 2k. This year it's just an absolute blow-out.

-Smak

[jcwkings]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Live 10= sim basketball
2k10= arcade basketball that tries to look realistic (graphics)

who thought we would be saying that a few years back.
im going with live this year. screw 2k, same thing every year since 2k7.

[nccomicfan]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Live 10= sim basketball
2k10= arcade basketball that tries to look realistic (graphics)

who thought we would be saying that a few years back.
im going with live this year. screw 2k, same thing every year since 2k7.

I just don't get this at all....I'm sorry.If anything, your description of 2k is how I view Live...highlight hoops dressed up in a sim's clothing

Please don't misunderstand me, I think Live has come a great way. I had it on pre-oder since the first vids dropped.However, once the vids of 2k finally cam out and I was able to compare them to vids of Live's final version as well as my experiences with Live's demo, my next move became obvious. Live still requires extensive polish as well as fleshing out franchise. 2k may not change much, but considering I still consider 2k7 to be the best sports game ever made, how much are they supposed to change?

Live is a year away and believe me, Live 11 is on my radar.Better defense, a new block system and just a better transition from one animation to the other(eliminate hesitations) are what Live needs the most

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

I just don't get this at all....I'm sorry.If anything, your description of 2k is how I view Live...highlight hoops dressed up in a sim's clothing

Please don't misunderstand me, I think Live has come a great way. I had it on pre-oder since the first vids dropped.However, once the vids of 2k finally cam out and I was able to compare them to vids of Live's final version as well as my experiences with Live's demo, my next move became obvious. Live still requires extensive polish as well as fleshing out franchise. 2k may not change much, but considering I still consider 2k7 to be the best sports game ever made, how much are they supposed to change?

Live is a year away and believe me, Live 11 is on my radar.Better defense, a new block system and just a better transition from one animation to the other(eliminate hesitations) are what Live needs the most

Just how deep of an understanding do you have about what simulation is?

Because if you think 2k7 is the best sports game ever made, which was far from a perfect simulation then you're in the twilight zone when it comes to this years games.

Why Live has garnered so much attention is the innovation in the basketball genre. The simulation genre. 2K10 just doesnt have it. If you buy a game based on prettier looking graphics and for commentators that say "whoa" on every put back jam then buy 2K.

If you want to feel like you're playing real life basketball then get NBA Live 10. It's simply the closest we've ever seen and most of you need to take off your 2K goggles, they're obscuring your simulation comprehension.

[jcwkings]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Just how deep of an understanding do you have about what simulation is?

Because if you think 2k7 is the best sports game ever made, which was far from a perfect simulation then you're in the twilight zone when it comes to this years games.

Why Live has garnered so much attention is the innovation in the basketball genre. The simulation genre. 2K10 just doesnt have it. If you buy a game based on prettier looking graphics and for commentators that say "whoa" on every put back jam then buy 2K.

If you want to feel like you're playing real life basketball then get NBA Live 10. It's simply the closest we've ever seen and most of you need to take off your 2K goggles, they're obscuring your simulation comprehension.

this. alot of 2k fanboys are stuck in the past. and just because a game looks sim (graphics, presentation etc.), doesn't mean it plays sim. live may not look as realistic graphically but the game is sim basketball no doubt.

[aga11ah]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

this. alot of 2k fanboys are stuck in the past. and just because a game looks sim (graphics, presentation etc.), doesn't mean it plays sim. live may not look as realistic graphically but the game is sim basketball no doubt.

agreed 100%. I always see that still. "Live is a dunkfest" "Live is NBA Jam" lol its funny because its so far from the truth. if anything 2k is a dunk fest compared to 2k these days.

with that said.... I also agree with an above post about polish. 2K looks wayyyy more polished than Live and flows way better than Live so far. Live is closing the gap but its still not there yet. Next year will be interesting. the competition is great.

[Pared]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

alot of people including me are switching to live. it's simple to:

if you want a true basketball simulation which mimics reality NBA live 10 is the closest on the market.


if you want eye candy, cherry on top gameplay that makes every play look like a slam dunk contest you have 2k. it looks so pretty that people would rather slide into windmill jams than play real basketball.

live has innovation in 2010 and 2k has none. live has innovated the one on one game the passing game the playbook the ratings the defensive game the off ball game. did I miss anything?

and last year the game wasn't even playable. I don't know how mike Wang creates simulation basketball the way he does but rest assured you are playing something great coming from him.

you know what's scary? he had only less than a years time to go from filth to majestic. imagine NBA live 11 just imagine

Every single post I read from you makes me think that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Your thoughts are a mess, your points are off-base... but I guess the intentions are good? Not even so sure about that.

All I know is, if I were looking for someone's opinion on the good and that bad, I would really refrain from using your comments as a baseline for my decision.

Every gamer owes it to themselves to play both games thoroughly. They'll find after the newness of everything has worn off, they'll begin to see the games underneath, and make a solid decision on their own.

But if they want to come in to each game with pre-conceived notions... they're loss.

[ScoobySnax]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

This is one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make over a damn video game! LOL. I think that I am going to rent BOTH games tomorrow and play them throughout the week and this weekend I should have enough on both games to make a sound decision as to what game to pick up.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Every single post I read from you makes me think that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Your thoughts are a mess, your points are off-base... but I guess the intentions are good? Not even so sure about that.

All I know is, if I were looking for someone's opinion on the good and that bad, I would really refrain from using your comments as a baseline for my decision.

Every gamer owes it to themselves to play both games thoroughly. They'll find after the newness of everything has worn off, they'll begin to see the games underneath, and make a solid decision on their own.

But if they want to come in to each game with pre-conceived notions... they're loss.

Truth hurts, doesn't it 2k fanboy? Must rattle you at your core.

They're so off-base and messy that people agree with them huh? Way to backup your attacks like a true troll. I think the only mess is in your head where you're the biggest hypocrite I've seen on these forums, saying one thing then doing the opposite. Maybe you're bipolar, if so I apologize as I know people with this disease.

Biased people like you should stop posting, your intentions were clear for the passed 3 months, you're either getting goodies under the table or you're just an annoying person.

Don't call people out if you can't back it up with anything, you're just asking for attention.

[Pared]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

LOL

OS expanding its market has its downfalls, and your reply is a perfect example why.

If anything, you just proved my point even more. Thanks. I'm secure in this site's core user base knowing what is the real deal here.

[aga11ah]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Truth hurts, doesn't it 2k fanboy? Must rattle you at your core.

wow. lol. I'm not a heavy poster but I can tell you Pared isn't a fanboy.

btw, people need to chill.

I compare it to music.. it seems sometimes people hate every artist that isn't their favorite, instead in this case its like the 2k fans just bash Live without giving it a fair chance anddd the Live fans bash 2k without giving it a fair chance. both games have their ups and downs, this is videogames people.. the absolute PERFECT b-ball game that makes everyone 100% happy will NEVER come out. meanwhile lets enjoy what we have.

[tcain80]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

Yeah, being a former 2k fanboy, I find it especially hard to understand how people can prefer their game this year, but I guess people just value different things in their b-ball games.

I mean lets be honest, even if everybody gave both games an equal chance, a lot of people would still buy 2k. After all, NBA Live has sold well for years, hasn't it? I find that equally hard to understand.

[Star1]

Re: New to OS, but old school 2K player thinking of going to Live....

To OP

Regarding the gameplay, Live has always seemed clunkier while 2K was smoother. Now it's the other way around.