Which Game Is More "SIM" After Patches For Each

[ILLSmak]

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I'm gonna invoke the blasphemous, "If you really know basketball," You'd say Live no matter what. If you can get past that one horrible glitch (certain 3 point shooters), it is the perfect game. Does the OT bug really matter? NO. It's just misrepresenting the score! Keep track of the real score. Be like, "He Goaltended one of my shots and it didn't register, so I have two extra points." How can that honestly be a gamebreaker!?

3 point shooting glitch is def a gamebreaker, but I'd rather play Live and look for the few people who play intelligently and don't try to abuse that glitch.

Live is the best bball game ever, real talk, and it's not even close. I say that as someone who has played a lot of 2k and hated the next gen Lives before 09 (which was pretty good, but this game blows it away.)

2k is BLAND... I dunno how you guys can even deal with that same game. It's pretty... but it's killed every hope I can have of enjoying 2ks engine when I played 09. I try to play college hoops 2k8, even, a game from back when the engine wasn't totally played out, but I'm like man this sucks, I wanna play Live.

-Smak

[ehh]

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I hate the term "sim" first of all but I think both games do plenty of realistic things and also have their fair share of non-realistic things.

The biggest advantage in terms of game play that 2K has is the CPU AI. It is much smarter, reads and reacts way better and just feels less scripted than Live (which I believe is hurt by the whole DNA feature).

Live has the basics of basketball down better IMO, though 2K10 is leaps and bounds better than 2K9 in these areas. Live's biggest advantage is in the spacing, rotations and momentum. This ties in to so many areas of basketball, it's the foundation of the half court game and the whole offense vs defense battle.

Hum vs Hum I don't think it's really close, I'll take Live in a landslide. Against the CPU though I go with 2K because the CPU AI is so much better than Live's.

[brahmagoul]

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I agree with the last post about human vs. human or human vs. CPU. That's really where the difference is, in the sim portion and just overall gameplay.

Someone mentioned how people who really know basketball will go with Live. I don't agree. It depends on your game. Perimeter wise, Live plays great. But in the post, it doesn't play as well as 2K10. That's where these two games differ.

[Court_vision]

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The biggest advantage in terms of game play that 2K has is the CPU AI. It is much smarter, reads and reacts way better and just feels less scripted than Live (which I believe is hurt by the whole DNA feature).

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So true.

The points you've been making about LIVE are spot on bro. The fact that the CPU shoots according to DNA / the play run and not the defense.

You can double team a guy like Mo Williams but he will still shoot it if he's in his "right spot DNA".

It's soooooooooo scripted due to this and I really hope this is something that the patch adresses

[Fiddy]

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I hate the term "sim" first of all but I think both games do plenty of realistic things and also have their fair share of non-realistic things.

agreed, i hate the term sim as well. bc one, what is sim? everyone has a different opinion on it. people that dont know the game act like they know whats sim etc. (this goes for all sports games)

i have always hoped for the forums to filter the word "sim"..

[NBA Guru]

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I'm gonna invoke the blasphemous, "If you really know basketball," You'd say Live no matter what. If you can get past that one horrible glitch (certain 3 point shooters), it is the perfect game. Does the OT bug really matter? NO. It's just misrepresenting the score! Keep track of the real score. Be like, "He Goaltended one of my shots and it didn't register, so I have two extra points." How can that honestly be a gamebreaker!?

3 point shooting glitch is def a gamebreaker, but I'd rather play Live and look for the few people who play intelligently and don't try to abuse that glitch.

Live is the best bball game ever, real talk, and it's not even close. I say that as someone who has played a lot of 2k and hated the next gen Lives before 09 (which was pretty good, but this game blows it away.)

2k is BLAND... I dunno how you guys can even deal with that same game. It's pretty... but it's killed every hope I can have of enjoying 2ks engine when I played 09. I try to play college hoops 2k8, even, a game from back when the engine wasn't totally played out, but I'm like man this sucks, I wanna play Live.

-Smak

Not trying to go at you man, but are you serious, dude, you been hyping up EA games praising them for years, 2 years ago you were saying Live was the better game, you are faced with fanboyish delusion, dude, you are by far the biggest EA fanboy online period, I have seen the screenname Illsmak on 5 different websites , and aint nobody gone take you serious, be for real man. You are on 2k's site talking about how Live is the better game, I personally see you as a troll, not disrespectfully, im just stating facts bro.



A lot of you dudes need to stop forcing yourselves to believe that you cant cheeze in Live, the spin move, the 3pt glitch, the fake turnovers, all of those things kill Live, and it is not a better head to head game or vs the CPU, be for real fellas. Its like all the EA fans will take anything live does "good" (it does nothing great) and use that as a reason to give Live props over 2k. Last year yall used the DNA feature to say it was revolutionary and it made Live a New engine, what happend to all of that, 2k passed Live in 1 year with their 82 games feature, the DNA is worthless to me, and Live will be better off getting rid of it, or seriously changing it, it does nothing right. If Kobe shot 10% from 3pt range for 4 games, anytime Kobe can get his rhythm back and shoot over 60%, Live forces you to play by whatever percentage the player is currently shooting, that is not realism. If Kobe was shooting 30% from the field period, that does not mean he will or has been at 30% every game, he could have shot 60% one game, 14% another, 40% another, 3% another, ect, that would get him to his 30% shooting, not him shooting around 30% every damn game, that is fake as hell.



Head to head games against a human is judged as sim vs arcade, and vs the computer is judged as sim vs arcade, in 2k rather if its against the CPU or a user you "have to play BASKETBALL" as the Czar says, lol. Human vs Human in 2k you are not rewarded for attacking the paint, you are not rewarded for a cheezy strategy in any way shape or form, so how is this not SIM. SIM vs Arcade means if you have to use real life strategies to win games, 2k does this much much better than Live (after patch for 2k, before the patch it was HORRIBLE). Before the patches, I would have said Live forces you to play basketball more than 2k simply cause in 2k you could "PASS" to the paint easily, and that was garbage, so at 1st I admit Live was the better hum vs hum game, period. After the patches for each, 2k has became the best basketball game ever released, are yall serious sying Live is better, Live does nothing better than 2k except for playcalling, that is it, that is not enough to make live a better hum vs hum game, yall are crazy.




Do yall realize how many things 2k did that is considered the best ever in sports games, lets go through them


rebounding (best ever in basketball games)
fastbreaks (best ever seen in basketball games)
animations (best in any sports game ever created)
finishes at the basket (best ever by far)
defense under the basket (most variety ever you can block, strip, double, ect)
dribble moves (not dribble control) (best ever)
dunks (best ever)
modes (the most things to do in any game ever created, let alone sports games, do yall realize how many different things you can do in this game)
double teams (you can pass out, dribble out, get stripped, get fouled, shoot over, ect)
defense on the perimeter
graphics (the best in sports games period)
commentary (the best in sports games period)
variety from anywhere (there is numerous options from anywhere on the court, the best in sports games period)
hustle (the best in basketball games period)
player differentation (the best in sports games period)
post moves
footplanting (except on dribble moves, could be better, some moves take up too much space)
franchise (the best in sports games period)
using players stregnths to be successful (you cant be effective doing things that players dont do)
CPU play (absolutley the best in sports games period)



Honestly, I know some of yall are close minded and just prefer Live no matter which game is better (same as hip hop fans hate on 50 no matter what he does or says) but for yall to even make a comparison and say Live is better than 2k vs the CPU or vs a human is downright wrong, 2k is the most complete sports game ever released on and off the court, vs the CPU or vs a human. Can anyone honestly disagree with all the things I just mentioned, no, so how can Live come close when half the things I mentioned Live does horribly, these things are for on and off the court, vs the cpu or a human, Live is still 2 years behind 2k in all those things. I feel like its downright retarted to say Live is the best basketball game ever released, none of you dudes can defend that comment, on or off the court, not with 2k doing these things better than any sports games ever released, be for real man.



So now, what is considered sim, everytime someone proves posters wrong they always throw in the "what is sim" comment, lets give it a definition, SIM = the ability to use real life strategy for success, the inability to abuse exploits to win, and having all of the fundamentals of the sport correct in the game. Its basically as simple as that, if you can honestly say Live is a better sim game, a better game vs a user, or a better game vs the CPU, you really need to play 2k more.



Oh yeah, Ehh, and Illsmak, why are yall comparing Live vs a game yall dont even play, smh, Ehh just got 2k in the mail 2 days ago, and Illsmak does not play 2k at all, yall comments are close to irrelevent, I read this website every day, and I know for a fact that yall are EA fans, you shouldent even be able to make a comparison and be taken seriously, go and actually play the game for some weeks and tell me that 2k is not the most complete sports game ever created, and the best basketball game ever created on and off the court, vs the CPU of vs a user, Live has a long long long way to go. This year 2k has put even more seperation between them, and Live, Live got a lot better, and 2k simply became the best ever, no doubt about it to anyone that is not a fanboy, Live 09 was closer to 2k9 than Live 10 is to 2k10, and that is a fact, not because Live got worse, but because 2k got that much better (I hated 2k9), people need to stop being fans and be realistic. All yall holding on to the "Live is better hum vs hum" cant support that comment with anything but playcalling, that does not make it a better game, get real, im done with my rant, lol.


No im not, matter of fact, I remember on this site posters was saying that every basketball game should have an action reaction system, meaning that for every offensive situation there is a defensive counter correct, OK, everything you can do on offense in 2k there is a defensive counter, stripping players down low, bodying up and forcing a tough shot, the ability to block or strip all finishes at the basket, bodying up offensive players off the ball (Live does not have this at all), ect. There is nothing in 2k you can do on offense that a defender cant counter, and this is another fact. I find it funny as heck that 2k has added EVERYTHING that people have been asking for, and dudes still complain, Live does not have 25% of the basic basketball fundamentals that 2k has, what the hell is Live players thinking with these comments, smh. Hum vs Hum, I can stop anything a cheezer or a sim player uses to be effective, doesnt this make 2k a better head to head game, considering you can shoot 3's over and over again and win, or you can spin over and over again to get to the basket, ect, lol, Live forces turnovers cause there is no counters on the perimeter or down low, so they figure "lets just make them lose the ball" GTFOH, that ish is not realistic, some of yall need to wake up.

[DirtyJerz32]

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Guru, here's a couple of things that might help in the future.

1. Welcome to OS! Hope you enjoy your stay.
2. Don't call people fanboys or anything fan ish.
3. Dont' call out other people

Those are just a couple of things to help you while you're here. Not trying to bash, just trying to help you stay around as long as possible.

Peace!

[NBA Guru]

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Guru, here's a couple of things that might help in the future.

1. Welcome to OS! Hope you enjoy your stay.
2. Don't call people fanboys or anything fan ish.
3. Dont' call out other people

Those are just a couple of things to help you while you're here. Not trying to bash, just trying to help you stay around as long as possible.

Peace!

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I read the TOS and I have been a lerker on here for a long time, seriously, I read through here daily, I finally took the time to sign up, I guess those 2 posts from Ehh and Illsmak made me want to talk about it, I have seen them on here for a while, I know Illsmak from the 2k forums and I se him on here every now and then. No disrespect to anybody, I dont think I broke any rules, I did not actually call him a fanboy, just fanboyish, lol. I just thought those 2 posts should be taken with a grain of salt, one of them just got the game a few days ago, and the other does not even play 2k and has been somewhat of a 2k ***** for a long time now, no offense to either poster or anyone else on here that disagrees, I just think the facts that im stating are too relevent for any argument to go in their favor, not the head to head convo, basketball fundamental convo, DNA convo, overall gameplay convo, fun factor convo, Graphics convo (the closest out of them all), ect. 2k has too many things on and off the court thats implenented the best out of videogames period, let along in comparison to another basketball game that hardly anyone plays reguardless of how much better it has gotten.

[dorismary]

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2k before and after but I really liked live 09 but 10 was like most of EA other sports games this year that just use unrealistic cpu player boosts at key times of the games even on lower levels to help create drama omg that 4th qrt you cant hit a shot cpu cant miss a shot gotta go...

[dorismary]

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agreed, i hate the term sim as well. bc one, what is sim? everyone has a different opinion on it. people that dont know the game act like they know whats sim etc. (this goes for all sports games)

i have always hoped for the forums to filter the word "sim"..

The problem I have with sim is like MLB the Show 09 for example many sim gamers swear by it .
BUT they dont play any of the games they are mostly simming for stats but those who play it just shake their heads at times .
I really just want a fun playable game that is semi realistic ai little guys not blocking Shaq , Gasol not leading the league in steals ect and great sliders with well programmed AI that doesnt use cheats/boosts/clutch to create drama.
I wanna feel like Im always playing

[Court_vision]

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I try to be as fair as I can...but there's just no way LIVE is even close at the moment (Human v CPU). It's just a long, long, long way behind.

However...the LIVE team are about to release their long awaited "patch". They've had the LIVE team + their NCAA team working on it now for close on two months.

Their patch is going to do one of two things:

1. Close the gap a bit...add some legit gameplay stuff...and really show LIVE can compete next season.

OR

2. Show that the LIVE engine simply can't be fixed and all those "WTF" moments every game, the lack of transition basketball, the amateur level rebounding etc etc are just permanently stuck in their engine. RIP the series almost.

Let's hope for number 1

[ILLSmak]

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I didn't play 2k10, but I can tell it hasn't changed. Call me out if you want, but I am not a fanboy. Children are fanboys. I am playing the better game. If you play online there is no way you'd want to play 2k.

I am not gonna start a console war, but I understand basketball and comparing the games Live gets it better than 2k. They have the 3 point glitch which sucks... I won't lie it's a gamebreaker, but I've just stopped playing vs glitch 3 point shooters. No Bibby, Mo, or Nash and I can win.

2k is just dry... I can't explain it, and you need to really play Live (and give it a real chance... stop following a name!) to understand. Live is a very deep game. You get out what you put in, man. Say what you want but I bet you just played Live for like 5 minutes and quit because it 'wasn't like 2k.'

PS: For 2k7 and 2k8 I was on the 2k forums because it was the best game out.


-Smak

[Court_vision]

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I didn't play 2k10, but I can tell it hasn't changed.

Sorry Smak, but any credibility you had just died right there.

How can you critiicise and compare a game you haven't even played? That's just stupid...........................

I crititicised NBA 2K9 a hell of a lot...I hated it.

NBA 2K10 is dramatically different in so many different areas it's not even funny. Anyone who understandas basketball can see the differences...they are huge. Spacing, ISOs, help D...there's so many areas 2K10 is better than 2K9 it's not even close.

Your comments are just worthless now that you admit you've not even played it.

[JVal3208]

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I didn't play 2k10, but I can tell it hasn't changed.

You may as well have stopped there G. This thread about which game is more sim.

To answer the question, I can't call Live a basketball simulation becase rebounding, stealing, blocked shots and fastbreaks are terrible. I can't consider 2K a basketball sim because there is zero defense. That said, I give the advantage to 2K because it handles the basketball basics better. Just my opinion.

[NBA Guru]

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I didn't play 2k10, but I can tell it hasn't changed. Call me out if you want, but I am not a fanboy. Children are fanboys. I am playing the better game. If you play online there is no way you'd want to play 2k.

I am not gonna start a console war, but I understand basketball and comparing the games Live gets it better than 2k. They have the 3 point glitch which sucks... I won't lie it's a gamebreaker, but I've just stopped playing vs glitch 3 point shooters. No Bibby, Mo, or Nash and I can win.

2k is just dry... I can't explain it, and you need to really play Live (and give it a real chance... stop following a name!) to understand. Live is a very deep game. You get out what you put in, man. Say what you want but I bet you just played Live for like 5 minutes and quit because it 'wasn't like 2k.'

PS: For 2k7 and 2k8 I was on the 2k forums because it was the best game out.


-Smak

Lol, SMH, SMMFH, GTFOH, and all of the above, so you mean to tell me that you have not played 2k once but you continue to comment on the game, you should be banned for making blind statements like that, jk. Everything I posted in my 2 posts points to guys like you, not saying you are a fanboy, but its amazing how you tey so hard to say Live is better and you have not played 2k once, I was completely right when I said your comments were irrelevent (mods should not be able to infract me) and you helped me figure that out, thanks man.