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  • kingpnp
    Banned
    • Jul 2008
    • 61

    #1

    Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

    NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER NEVER.

    now that doesn't mean the little animations that are in ELITE dont need work. they do. but that doesn't mean you should be asking for your old canned animations to be placed back in with more added like 2k.

    no no no no.

    VISUALLY (us watching these videos) of course it will LOOK better if all you see were great canned animations vs RTP. why? because you are not controlling the game. so when something happens on video. you THINK thats what the user wanted to happen. if the animations are smooth enough. you would not be able to tell otherwise unless the USER said so.

    THis is why judging ELITE 11 videos is ignorant(to not know). and i'm not using the word ignorant to sound harsh. there's a reason they keep saying "Just play the demo", just play the demo..you'll see. there's a reason that some of the guys from the other event playing 5 vs 5 admitted its funner to play then it was to watch their own vids. and they didn't even know how to use the controls yet.

    i repeate YOU CANT JUDGE A GAME BASED ON RTP IN ITS FIRST YEAR ON VIDEOS. that would be a backwards approach to review such a game.

    now 2k11. view the videos. more canned animations. they allow you to break out of a lot more they say. thats great. but its still tons and tons and tons of canned animations. so you will never ever know if the the person on the sticks even made that move. or was it a canned animation. they had to deal with while playing.

    so i' will do EA a favor and say it. DO NOT MAKE A JUDGEMENT UNTIL THE DEMO. and even then know this is year 1 of this. go back to nhl and remember what happened with that. if they are on to something but need more time for more tweeks. give them that if that means Elite12 or 13 will end up being the best hoop game ever. cause thats what nhl is now so the fans say. if i told you i've been messing you around for 6 years now or so. then i switch it up and use tactics i've used to resurrect another game that is now a hit 3 years later. would you wait on me, or would you say i cant take it turn it off. no RTP. go back to canned animations just add more? thats called a bandaid vs having surgery. surgery sucks. usually people come out moving slower then they did before they went in. my mom had knee surgery years ago. her knees were that bad. the thing is, if you asked her during the first few weeks if she would rather go back to just the constant knee pain when walking. she would've said YES take me back. because it was so hard to get from surgery, post surgery to where she is now. not perfect but 10 times better then where she was PRe surgery. thats what this is folks.

    are you willing to wait or are you just throwin in the towel and saying i cant take it. just change it back and add more animations?
    Last edited by kingpnp; 09-02-2010, 11:59 PM.
  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #2
    Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

    Originally posted by kingpnp
    NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER NEVER.

    now that doesn't mean the little animations that are in ELITE dont need work. they do. but that doesn't mean you should be asking for your old canned animations to be placed back in with more added like 2k.

    no no no no.

    VISUALLY (us watching these videos) of course it will LOOK better if all you see were great canned animations vs RTP. why? because you are not controlling the game. so when something happens on video. you THINK thats what the user wanted to happen. if the animations are smooth enough. you would not be able to tell otherwise unless the USER said so.

    THis is why judging ELITE 11 videos is ignorant(to not know). and i'm not using the word ignorant to sound harsh. there's a reason they keep saying "Just play the demo", just play the demo..you'll see. there's a reason that some of the guys from the other event playing 5 vs 5 admitted its funner to play then it was to watch their own vids. and they didn't even know how to use the controls yet.

    i repeate YOU CANT JUDGE A GAME BASED ON RTP IN ITS FIRST YEAR ON VIDEOS. that would be a backwards approach to review such a game.

    now 2k11. view the videos. more canned animations. they allow you to break out of a lot more they say. thats great. but its still tons and tons and tons of canned animations. so you will never ever know if the the person on the sticks even made that move. or was it a canned animation. they had to deal with while playing.

    so i' will do EA a favor and say it. DO NOT MAKE A JUDGEMENT UNTIL THE DEMO. and even then know this is year 1 of this. go back to nhl and remember what happened with that. if they are on to something but need more time for more tweeks. give them that if that means Elite12 or 13 will end up being the best hoop game ever. cause thats what nhl is now so the fans say. if i told you i've been messing you around for 6 years now or so. then i switch it up and use tactics i've used to resurrect another game that is now a hit 3 years later. would you wait on me, or would you say i cant take it turn it off. no RTP. go back to canned animations just add more? thats called a bandaid vs having surgery. surgery sucks. usually people come out moving slower then they did before they went in. my mom had knee surgery years ago. her knees were that bad. the thing is, if you asked her during the first few weeks if she would rather go back to just the constant knee pain when walking. she would've said YES take me back. because it was so hard to get from surgery, post surgery to where she is now. not perfect but 10 times better then where she was PRe surgery. thats what this is folks.

    are you willing to wait or are you just throwin in the towel and saying i cant take it. just change it back and add more animations?
    First for some visuals are huge. So the step or two that EA has taken backwards from some is a gamekiller. Second 23 one of the guys who played the game has been one of its biggest critic so you cant use that either.

    I was hoping at this stage of next gen games I wouldnt have to choose between fluid player movement and RTP's. I do agree with the "wait and try the demo 1st" approach ,but the visual step backs is greatly impacting my decision.

    And after watching some of those vids there's nothing wrong with thinking canned fluid animations is a better choice.
    You looking at the Chair MAN!

    Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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    • kingpnp
      Banned
      • Jul 2008
      • 61

      #3
      Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

      Originally posted by da ThRONe
      First for some visuals are huge. So the step or two that EA has taken backwards from some is a gamekiller. Second 23 one of the guys who played the game has been one of its biggest critic so you cant use that either.

      I was hoping at this stage of next gen games I wouldnt have to choose between fluid player movement and RTP's. I do agree with the "wait and try the demo 1st" approach ,but the visual step backs is greatly impacting my decision.

      And after watching some of those vids there's nothing wrong with thinking canned fluid animations is a better choice.
      who has been the biggest critic that has played it that isn't a 2k fan? how many of those that played it are still criticizing the game as a whole? not just the graphics? lastly how many of those who played it knew what they were doing with the controls? (actually felt at home with the controls). cause i wouldn't like a game either that had wack graphics/animations and i couldn't figure out what to do in order to make the moves i wanted. "NEW CONTROLS" I need someone that knows the controls to still say "sorry fellas it SUCKS" i have yet to hear that. therefore the idea of the game still stands. You have to FEEL it(play it) to believe it.

      thats the question.

      like i said. if someone tells you 10 times. "animations/graphics WILL SUFFER. but you have to play the game to get the experience" just maybe looking at video will only confirm that graphics/animations will SUFFER> but you cant find out how it feels To YOU until YOU experience it.DEMO
      Last edited by kingpnp; 09-03-2010, 12:04 AM.

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      • ParisB
        MVP
        • Jan 2010
        • 1699

        #4
        Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

        I agree. It's time to move on completely from these canned animations. Yea that other game sure looks good when watching it, but damn is it a complete chore playing it. The controls are sloth-like.

        I don't know how God of War does it, but that game has amazingly quick and responsive controls with perfect animation. Maybe somehow take a cue from them.

        Either way, I don't think Elite's animations look "bad". People over react a bit on these forums.

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        • PRAY IV M3RCY
          Pro
          • May 2010
          • 618

          #5
          Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

          Originally posted by ParisB
          I agree. It's time to move on completely from these canned animations. Yea that other game sure looks good when watching it, but damn is it a complete chore playing it. The controls are sloth-like.

          I don't know how God of War does it, but that game has amazingly quick and responsive controls with perfect animation. Maybe somehow take a cue from them.

          Either way, I don't think Elite's animations look "bad". People over react a bit on these forums.
          dont bring up the other game if you havent done your research, they changed their controls,

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          • ParisB
            MVP
            • Jan 2010
            • 1699

            #6
            Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

            Originally posted by PRAY IV M3RCY
            dont bring up the other game if you havent done your research, they changed their controls,
            Why get so defensive about it? lol

            I noticed this being a pattern on the Elite forums...lots of the hating is coming from *cough cough* poseurs. Say one bad thing about that game, and the disguises quickly come off.

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            • PRAY IV M3RCY
              Pro
              • May 2010
              • 618

              #7
              Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

              We had all the control we needed back in the last gen consoles. We didnt get canned animations. But can you honestly look back at those games and say thats what you want(just updated graphics)

              canned animations arent a problem for me, because i want the game to look like something i see on tv. People act as if that aspect of a video game doesnt matter. Hell yes it matters, if it didnt you "wouldnt" have either bought, or wanted an xbox 360, or a ps3. Visuals and presentation all tie into the gameplay. Sure control is important, but not enough for me to sacrifice based off of what i have seen already from elite.

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              • PRAY IV M3RCY
                Pro
                • May 2010
                • 618

                #8
                Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                Originally posted by ParisB
                Why get so defensive about it? lol

                I noticed this being a pattern on the Elite forums...lots of the hating is coming from *cough cough* poseurs. Say one bad thing about that game, and the disguises quickly come off.
                you pretended to state something, that you dont even know yet

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                • Trey Trey
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 4

                  #9
                  Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                  People fail to realize that physics engine's add more animations and allow for more control. Yea the animations don't look as good as a canimation but if they can somewhat look like real life and be different everytime then I'm happy.

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                  • PRAY IV M3RCY
                    Pro
                    • May 2010
                    • 618

                    #10
                    Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                    Originally posted by Trey Trey
                    People fail to realize that physics engine's add more animations and allow for more control. Yea the animations don't look as good as a canimation but if they can somewhat look like real life and be different everytime then I'm happy.
                    thats like saying if i had complete control over canned animations i would be happy. The fact is what you see now is what you get.

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                    • da ThRONe
                      Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8528

                      #11
                      Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                      Originally posted by Trey Trey
                      People fail to realize that physics engine's add more animations and allow for more control. Yea the animations don't look as good as a canimation but if they can somewhat look like real life and be different everytime then I'm happy.
                      I just dont see RTP having that(something new every position) feel. With BackBreaker RTP's jump out at you. So far RTP's in Elite just seems too subtle to justify the huge step back in animation and player movement.
                      You looking at the Chair MAN!

                      Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                      • Moe24-
                        Banned
                        • May 2010
                        • 506

                        #12
                        Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                        To the OP...Are you serious..... Your such a fanboy.....stop hating on 2k when you havnt even played the game....i hope you realize your probably getting banned...

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                        • Moe24-
                          Banned
                          • May 2010
                          • 506

                          #13
                          Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                          Originally posted by kingpnp
                          who has been the biggest critic that has played it that isn't a 2k fan? how many of those that played it are still criticizing the game as a whole? not just the graphics? lastly how many of those who played it knew what they were doing with the controls? (actually felt at home with the controls). cause i wouldn't like a game either that had wack graphics/animations and i couldn't figure out what to do in order to make the moves i wanted. "NEW CONTROLS" I need someone that knows the controls to still say "sorry fellas it SUCKS" i have yet to hear that. therefore the idea of the game still stands. You have to FEEL it(play it) to believe it.

                          thats the question.

                          like i said. if someone tells you 10 times. "animations/graphics WILL SUFFER. but you have to play the game to get the experience" just maybe looking at video will only confirm that graphics/animations will SUFFER> but you cant find out how it feels To YOU until YOU experience it.DEMO
                          Have you seen the NBA elite gameplay video? it looks like im watching a nintendo 64 nba game.... Man we're in the 21st century..... It's 2011 not 1996

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                          • Trey Trey
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 4

                            #14
                            Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                            Originally posted by da ThRONe
                            I just dont see RTP having that(something new every position) feel. With BackBreaker RTP's jump out at you. So far RTP's in Elite just seems too subtle to justify the huge step back in animation and player movement.
                            If you look at Backbreaker compared to Elite 11 you can easily tell that Backbreaker is further along in development than Elite.

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                            • ehh
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #15
                              Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

                              The problem is that not every animation in a sports game is a canned one. The removal of canned 2-player animations shouldn't mean that every animation in the game looks dated. Jumpshots, the flight of jumpers, net and rim physics all look poor in the two Elite vids and that has nothing to do with canned animations vs RTP.

                              The dribbling animations look very smooth which almost makes everything else stand out even more - in a bad way.

                              Until RTP includes great animations and becomes the standard for sports video games the tried & true method of a good balance of controls and canned animations is going to be the gold standard. Every game struggles with this though. To me, 2K10 was the opposite of Elite 11. The game had the worst control of any sports game I've played in the last decade, I owned for less than two weeks and sold it because the controls were unbearable to me. That's one end of the spectrum, Elite 11 is going to be the other. Without that balance it's very hard as a gamer to get excited and stay excited for a game. Granted that controls are more important than animations to me the animations still need to be at an acceptable level.

                              Elite will not sell well until the animations are improved. If the process does take a few years like it supposedly did with NHL and FIFA then we'll just have to wait and see. But with 2K supposedly bringing a good level of controls back to their game I don't see why many gamers are going to chose Elite.

                              Good/above average controls and amazing visuals VS amazing controls and horrible visuals. It just doesn't add up in Elite's favor no matter how you slice it. I hope that RTP is the truth and that with a few years of development it will change sports games forever. But until it offers a more well-rounded user experience I don't know if I can justify spending the coin on it.
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