Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

[Teebone21]

Re: Canned Animations Is NEVER better then RTP

the only people who are defending "elite" are the ones that havent played the game

[Moe24-]

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the only people who are defending "elite" are the ones that havent played the game

Exactly....

[ehh]

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And the hundreds of people who are bashing it have played it?

[TUSS11]

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Im a production art major in game design, and the OP has NO CLUE what they are TALKING ABOUT. NONE, esp not from a outside consumer standpoint.

Ok Mr. Art Major. Please explain yourself. If you claim that the OP is clueless then please enlighten us with the truth.

[2kfanatic]

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I think its okay to defend that game, but most people defending it is saying that the controls will save the game which is ironic since most of them has not played it yet so how did they know how the controls are.

[TUSS11]

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NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER NEVER.

now that doesn't mean the little animations that are in ELITE dont need work. they do. but that doesn't mean you should be asking for your old canned animations to be placed back in with more added like 2k.

no no no no.

VISUALLY (us watching these videos) of course it will LOOK better if all you see were great canned animations vs RTP. why? because you are not controlling the game. so when something happens on video. you THINK thats what the user wanted to happen. if the animations are smooth enough. you would not be able to tell otherwise unless the USER said so.

THis is why judging ELITE 11 videos is ignorant(to not know). and i'm not using the word ignorant to sound harsh. there's a reason they keep saying "Just play the demo", just play the demo..you'll see. there's a reason that some of the guys from the other event playing 5 vs 5 admitted its funner to play then it was to watch their own vids. and they didn't even know how to use the controls yet.

i repeate YOU CANT JUDGE A GAME BASED ON RTP IN ITS FIRST YEAR ON VIDEOS. that would be a backwards approach to review such a game.

now 2k11. view the videos. more canned animations. they allow you to break out of a lot more they say. thats great. but its still tons and tons and tons of canned animations. so you will never ever know if the the person on the sticks even made that move. or was it a canned animation. they had to deal with while playing.

so i' will do EA a favor and say it. DO NOT MAKE A JUDGEMENT UNTIL THE DEMO. and even then know this is year 1 of this. go back to nhl and remember what happened with that. if they are on to something but need more time for more tweeks. give them that if that means Elite12 or 13 will end up being the best hoop game ever. cause thats what nhl is now so the fans say. if i told you i've been messing you around for 6 years now or so. then i switch it up and use tactics i've used to resurrect another game that is now a hit 3 years later. would you wait on me, or would you say i cant take it turn it off. no RTP. go back to canned animations just add more? thats called a bandaid vs having surgery. surgery sucks. usually people come out moving slower then they did before they went in. my mom had knee surgery years ago. her knees were that bad. the thing is, if you asked her during the first few weeks if she would rather go back to just the constant knee pain when walking. she would've said YES take me back. because it was so hard to get from surgery, post surgery to where she is now. not perfect but 10 times better then where she was PRe surgery. thats what this is folks.

are you willing to wait or are you just throwin in the towel and saying i cant take it. just change it back and add more animations?

It's alright buddy. When the game releases all the people who have clogged this forum with all this hate will disappear. Only the people that appreciate what the Elite team is doing will remain.

[23]

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Im sick of these kinds of posts myself.. Trying to tell people what to think,what to like, how to like it.. giving all opinion and thats all it is

Its really tiring seeing people who havent played either game ramble on like they're apart of both dev teams

Just give it a rest

[dragon4thQ]

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If you look at Backbreaker compared to Elite 11 you can easily tell that Backbreaker is further along in development than Elite.

Backbreaker was a 3-4yr project. You can't compare the 2 games yet.

[Trey Trey]

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Backbreaker was a 3-4yr project. You can't compare the 2 games yet.

Um when did I compare the 2?

[bamalam]

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@ $19.99 i would give ea a try.

it is an unfinished product, that "will take 3 yrs" to supposedly get right. how do they justify charging $60?

they are years behind 2k at this point, and they have to get animations close to compete for my $$.

"canned" animations are fine if there are enought differnet ones to see play out thruout a 82 game season.

imo, 2k animations vastly superior to first yr rtp elite, which looks horrible. their physics engine plays out kinda robotic like. they need to obey the laws of physics for human movement, and right now it doesnt appear that the players adhere to those laws.

i'll still demo and see how controls are.

still, with barebones game, and no association mode upgrades(live 10 horrible) , i dont see exhibition games holding my attention very long.

2k stating upgrades in every way to 2k10, including controls and association, so they get my $$ this yr, for 360 and pc.

if elite improves, "next yr" , then we look at them again. problem is, ea always saying "wait till next year."

[qnzballa5]

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Bottom line is that every year in sports titles the goal is to make the best product to date. Always out do your last game and your competition. Madden couldnt do this when they saw how great nfl2k5 was at that price point and sought to make that there was no competition. Shame on them for robbing us of some great nfl 2k games that could have been out and the end result was madden hurting themselves in the long run. Nba live tried to do the same thing but the nba wasnt having that because 2k and other nba titles were making the nba alot more money then ea could by themselves.

This was supposed to be the next generation of gaming if im correct and before the first live title came out there was a cg trailer of seattle vs detroit and those graphics and all were amazing and breath taking. But it was a super bluff, when will games look and feel like that?I have no idea but when you put out a game that looks like it would look better on my psp then on a tv there is a cause for concern, improved controls or not, i rest my case.

[oOausarOo]

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I understand your stance OP, but it's simply not true. Just because Elite has "real-time physics" doesn't mean it's going to be the better game for me.

When I think real time physics I think of Backbreaker. That's what I wanted to see from Elite this year. Simply getting rid of all the canned animations isn't enough. If EA hadn't mentioned they were using RTP I would have never been able to tell by watching the vids.

I won't make final judgment until I play the game, but right now I feel they should have held off on the release of RTP until it was something visually special to watch.

[lebron6_james]

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NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER NEVER.

now that doesn't mean the little animations that are in ELITE dont need work. they do. but that doesn't mean you should be asking for your old canned animations to be placed back in with more added like 2k.

no no no no.

VISUALLY (us watching these videos) of course it will LOOK better if all you see were great canned animations vs RTP. why? because you are not controlling the game. so when something happens on video. you THINK thats what the user wanted to happen. if the animations are smooth enough. you would not be able to tell otherwise unless the USER said so.

THis is why judging ELITE 11 videos is ignorant(to not know). and i'm not using the word ignorant to sound harsh. there's a reason they keep saying "Just play the demo", just play the demo..you'll see. there's a reason that some of the guys from the other event playing 5 vs 5 admitted its funner to play then it was to watch their own vids. and they didn't even know how to use the controls yet.

i repeate YOU CANT JUDGE A GAME BASED ON RTP IN ITS FIRST YEAR ON VIDEOS. that would be a backwards approach to review such a game.

now 2k11. view the videos. more canned animations. they allow you to break out of a lot more they say. thats great. but its still tons and tons and tons of canned animations. so you will never ever know if the the person on the sticks even made that move. or was it a canned animation. they had to deal with while playing.

so i' will do EA a favor and say it. DO NOT MAKE A JUDGEMENT UNTIL THE DEMO. and even then know this is year 1 of this. go back to nhl and remember what happened with that. if they are on to something but need more time for more tweeks. give them that if that means Elite12 or 13 will end up being the best hoop game ever. cause thats what nhl is now so the fans say. if i told you i've been messing you around for 6 years now or so. then i switch it up and use tactics i've used to resurrect another game that is now a hit 3 years later. would you wait on me, or would you say i cant take it turn it off. no RTP. go back to canned animations just add more? thats called a bandaid vs having surgery. surgery sucks. usually people come out moving slower then they did before they went in. my mom had knee surgery years ago. her knees were that bad. the thing is, if you asked her during the first few weeks if she would rather go back to just the constant knee pain when walking. she would've said YES take me back. because it was so hard to get from surgery, post surgery to where she is now. not perfect but 10 times better then where she was PRe surgery. thats what this is folks.

are you willing to wait or are you just throwin in the towel and saying i cant take it. just change it back and add more animations?

hey kingpnp, i read your post and Da_czar in basketball is not hockey thread. why not reply on da_czar post?

about this:

"Okay I understand your position much much better now. Thanks for breaking that down for me. I can see how you have come to that conclusion. Honestly I hope your right. The last thing we need is for elite to tank.


When I hear things like they sacrificed the reality of the mechanics of jumping to enhance control though I have to think that is a directional..IE Hockey Guy inspired change.

I fear the day when we elevate the control outside of the realm of reality simply to fulfill a marketing manifesto. What's next ? These are EXACTLY the types of decisions I was referring to when I said that Basketball is not Hockey...

The timing of the knee bend allows the offensive player to make a proper read. It enhances the effect of pump fakes and hesitation moves... It allows people to pull up right in your grill and your still able to challenge the shot without getting an abnormal amount of blocks. Knee bends on jumping to challenge shots IRL force you to ANTICIPATE to get a block.

This leads to the cat and mouse game between the offense and the defense. IF you want to block it you have to commit early which opens the way for my pumpfake to wreak havoc with your anticipation.

I wouldn't expect Hockey dude to understand this and although guys love the "response" of having that control it is not based on the fundamental principals of the sport or the mechanics of how the human body works...

Basketball is a game of rhythm and timing and style WITH substance. Control and power with grace and fluidity of movement. You absolutely can NOT have a simulation of the NBA experience without that. Its not one or the other. Its not control vs animation. This is not hockey.. the timing and movement is as important as the strategy. As you can see from my one example above it is indeed tied into the strategy.

This is not to differ with your point because I can honestly see that. We all want a better game. My reminding them of the things that I see as important to the soul of the game is not in opposition to anyone who wishes to enjoy the game as is or to support the company."

I post coz you make a thread that related on what his argument to you. Can you answer Da_czar post now to justify your thread?<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

[VDusen04]

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Does this not just come down to personal preference? I am more than satisfied with 2K's entire product. Some people will be more than satisfied with Live's product. What's the story with trying to convince others to change their opinion?

[mvb34]

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Does this not just come down to personal preference? I am more than satisfied with 2K's entire product. Some people will be more than satisfied with Live's product. What's the story with trying to convince others to change their opinion?

This is the history of these forums!!!