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  • jersez
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 1892

    #1

    Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

    I have read that alot of people feel as if elite's dribbling is better or they have better control over there players. I'm no way a fan boy at least anymore i used to love the NBA live series i preferred it over 2k for years just because i thought the game was too complicated and live had simpler controls.Side notes i had links to vids for examples but i lost them
    okay here are my reason
    1. Authentic moves/contextual moves.
    You won't see two different players do the same move like in elite pau and bynum are able to handle the ball just as well as fisher or artest just slower. While in 2k the big men have trouble handling the rock in general some can kg he does have good ball handling for his size(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GtzNqSfcFo) they infact lose the ball easily if you try to force into traffic. Even the players that are able to handle the ball crossovers are contextual so kobe does a lower close to his body crossover which when he is being guarded tightly but when he is in the open floor it's a much wider cross, same goes for rondo even though i haven't played with him .

    2.SHOT STICK BABY!(DA_CZAR VOICE)
    The isomotion ties into the shotstick animations so well that you are able to replicate a players go to move.( Look at 1:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-oPfWBP2fk&hd=1) and even creating space for the shot stick(http://www.youtube.com/user/IsoAchie.../1/Z0VhVzKNCwk)

    3.open floor or half-court.
    Even though their are the same
    moves they are completely different in the fastbreak combination are realistic and can be used in different ways along with the left stick with out the L2 or LT held. While elite animations don't branch together well.

    4. Being able to branch out of animations/exploding
    This is where i really get tired of hearing that the computer takes over their player, which is false almost everything is able to be interrupted. You don't have to allow the ball handler to run into a defender. Simply move the LS when you want. In elite sorry but with the slow response to the controller and animations need to continue and cannot be interrupted. Also the size up will give you different crossovers depending when you interrupt them. An advantage 2k has over elite is that you are able to explode after a crossover rather the computer dictate when to speed up. i have done hesitations or stop and go(with the modifier or without the modifier) because of this you are able to use momentum against your opponent.

    5.Being able to setup another move
    Now in elite you can set opponents up expectucaly on the fastbreak is best for this since your running but while in the half court and a defender playing tight then you don't have many choices.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dusqTTMV_Ow) while the size up is computer controlled you can use that for a crossover than another crossover(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMAtXFf5kA&hd=1)look at 1:30 mark.

    6.Being able to react to the defense
    as in real basketball it's all about reacting i mean 2k you can think about what you want to do but in most cases you the defense interrupts your drive and you can still spin out or break out of the animation. While Elite you and the defend just slide with each other and hope he somehow get cross.

    7.Momentum
    The momentum in 2k is as realistic i have seen in the series. From players reaching back for passes to stuttering to avoid going out of bounds, etc. Momentum with isomotion not only changes the animation but also the shot a player takes.

    8.Size up
    Okay i talked about this a little but the size up is one of the best part of isomotion. I realize their are four different types of size which are done by holding LT or L2 and pressing left, right, up, and down on the LS. Each size up are different animations but they can be used in different situations like in the video kobe work series the away creates space for a shot or a crossover. Up is more for exploding, while left and right are hesitations almost waiting for the defender to make a mistake or deceive the defender that you are going one way. All of these can be interrupted and give you crossover between the legs then cross or behind the back the cross for examples.

    9.EXECUTION
    It far easier executing these moves consistently in 2k than elite. When i play elite it seems that the game doesn't always recognize my input not just on dribbling but on shots, rebounds, blocks etc. When you master the isomotion pulling a move off will be effortless and a natural motion just because the controls make sense in how they are executed rather than an unnatural motion on the LS.

    10. THE END BABYSIDE NOTE I DIDN'T PUT THESE INTO ORDER AT ALL MYBAD LOl)DEFENSE:WHO would have thought

    How does the defense make the isomotion better? Well like i said before basketball is a game of action and reaction. We all remember the dwade crazy step out move, guaranteed to get past the defender. Well this year the defense is shutting that down not saying that you won't be able to pull off that move but on the difficulty its on now, i can't only imagine a defender like ron artest contently getting broke on the highest difficulty. The reality is that some of us (me) at times when needing buckets would rely on a go to move (mines wasn't the dwade move) but now the game makes players not rely on one move which makes players learn the isomotion system. So defense has made isomotion better because now players learn to use their reflexes instead on doing a premeditated move all the time.

    This was my first thread and i know there will be some people that disagree with me fine but i'm not trying to convert you. I made this thread because i feel like people don't truly understand the depth of the controls. For some the controls are more difficult to execute than others, but once you guys master the controls you will see not only do you have better control over your player than elite but how much you can do with them.I understand that a lot of people like the elite system better because it's easier to some but 2k's is deeper.
    Last edited by jersez; 09-25-2010, 11:25 PM.
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  • MLB01
    Banned
    • May 2010
    • 537

    #2
    Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

    Who - gives - a -

    How is this not angled to bash Elite ?

    No, I'm not a fanboy. I actually like 2K11 more, but this thread is a product of strangeness.

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    • Mr.Wednesday
      The Magic is back
      • Feb 2007
      • 1927

      #3
      Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

      Edit:I need to pay attention
      Originally posted by jersez
      nobody said you guys had to comment just go about your lives.
      Roger that jersez, will do. I actually agree with the content, just not the title. My bad if you took offense.
      Last edited by Mr.Wednesday; 09-25-2010, 11:43 PM.
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      • jersez
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 1892

        #4
        Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

        nobody said you guys had to comment just go about your lives.
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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #5
          Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

          Uh....unless theres something I missed, this looks like a well thought out post in the (Other) forum where comparison threads are permitted....

          He actually went into why he made the thread in the first place...It wasnt about bashing Elite, but explaining why he thinks 2ks controls are overlooked by some...

          If the title continues to bunch peoples panties, the mods should change it, but there is good content in there that should be read...

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          • jersez
            MVP
            • Jul 2008
            • 1892

            #6
            Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

            Originally posted by Mr.Wednesday

            Edit:


            Roger that jersez, will do. I actually agree with the content, just not the title. My bad if you took offense.
            I'm not offended just that i wrote alot lol n then you guys came in and was like this is basically trash so i was a little annoyed but i understand your point about the title as i think about it now. No problems over here and thank you
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            • Mr.Wednesday
              The Magic is back
              • Feb 2007
              • 1927

              #7
              Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
              Uh....unless theres something I missed, this looks like a well thought out post in the (Other) forum where comparison threads are permitted....
              No, you didn't miss anything. I was actually wrong. I had a couple of tabs open and thought this was posted on the NBA 2K board (I need to pay attention, I guess). I Just noticed it was in the other form when you mentioned it.
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              • Scruffychicken
                Pro
                • Feb 2010
                • 934

                #8
                Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                Totally agree with you Jersez, was playing the Elite demo, just trying to give it another chance (which is a bad sign), and the cpu, (the freakin cpu!) is Andrew Bynum amd he did a spin move then dribbled back behind the legs and managed to pull off a reverse layup. After that, I went to my Dashboard and deleted that horrid game. I'd rather play that NBA Unrivaled demo lol jk.

                Honestly I had a lot of hope for the game and maybe in a year or two they can make the basketball market competitive again.
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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #9
                  Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                  Originally posted by Mr.Wednesday
                  No, you didn't miss anything. I was actually wrong. I had a couple of tabs open and thought this was posted on the NBA 2K board (I need to pay attention, I guess). I Just noticed it was in the other form when you mentioned it.
                  Cool man, my post wasnt a shot at you or anything....

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #10
                    Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                    It was posted there and I moved it. This is a classic example of a thread that belongs here... a vs. thread

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                    • jersez
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 1892

                      #11
                      Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                      Originally posted by Scruffychicken
                      Totally agree with you Jersez, was playing the Elite demo, just trying to give it another chance (which is a bad sign), and the cpu, (the freakin cpu!) is Andrew Bynum amd he did a spin move then dribbled back behind the legs and managed to pull off a reverse layup. After that, I went to my Dashboard and deleted that horrid game. I'd rather play that NBA Unrivaled demo lol jk.

                      Honestly I had a lot of hope for the game and maybe in a year or two they can make the basketball market competitive again.
                      lmao yeah i'm in now way bias to 2k if elite series were to make a real sim then i wouldn't have a problem getting that game. But i do like that they tried something new but i don't like how they tried to deceive us into buying their game.
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                      • ILLSmak
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2397

                        #12
                        Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                        Elite's dribbling system is gross... no matter what. It's not because isomotion is superior. I know you aren't trying to say that Isomotion is better than stick dribbling (like 10) because that is false.

                        I'd question if you had the stick skills to execute well with a dribble stick. Saying a dribble stick is inferior to a system that boils down to the players automatically doing the moves in context is like saying a dunk/layup button is better than a shot stick.

                        We can sit here and argue for days over which is better... shot stick or dribble stick, and that's something to think about. But if you really think isomotion would exist if they had an extra stick, you're crazy... and because of that, I am going to say "you're wrong."

                        -Smak

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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #13
                          Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                          Originally posted by ILLSmak
                          Elite's dribbling system is gross... no matter what. It's not because isomotion is superior. I know you aren't trying to say that Isomotion is better than stick dribbling (like 10) because that is false.

                          I'd question if you had the stick skills to execute well with a dribble stick. Saying a dribble stick is inferior to a system that boils down to the players automatically doing the moves in context is like saying a dunk/layup button is better than a shot stick.

                          We can sit here and argue for days over which is better... shot stick or dribble stick, and that's something to think about. But if you really think isomotion would exist if they had an extra stick, you're crazy... and because of that, I am going to say "you're wrong."

                          -Smak
                          SMH, Did you even read his points? or draw from the title that he implied 2k was better at something and immediately dismiss it?

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                          • Jano
                            You Dead Wrong
                            • May 2004
                            • 3161

                            #14
                            Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                            As of now all of those points listed above are great. A lot of the problem in Elite comes from balance on both ends of the floor.

                            There a lot of cases in Elite where one player is given a serious advantage over the other even in situations irl where that isn't the case. The system's movement is great for like you said fast break opportunities but doesn't translate well in the half court.

                            The system is way too black and white not enough gray areas for the offense or defensive players to exploit. It's like you are either beat off the dribble or the defender has cut you off no in between.

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                            • ILLSmak
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2397

                              #15
                              Re: Ten reason why i think isomotion is better than elite's dribbling system.

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              SMH, Did you even read his points? or draw from the title that he implied 2k was better at something and immediately dismiss it?
                              I read it. I also read the title. And he's wrong... did you even read my post or just cue into the word "wrong?"

                              It can go both ways...

                              You've got it twisted and it's sad that people honestly believe grown men favor one game over another and let it influence everything they say. More often, we pick which one we believe is better.

                              I could write an essay on why isomotion is a poor system for competitive play, but the main point of my post was that yes isomotion is better than Elite's dribbling system because Elite is a bad game. But, then (let's go back over my post completely...) I said if he was comparing isomotion to the previous Live's dribble sticks that there's no way.

                              Isomotion is like Live without the dribble stick. Live players do moves, too, if you move the stick a certain way. But the dribble stick allows you to do more things. It allows you to truly size someone up (not that auto-size up... which IMO was a poor edition.) You can also feint more. Isomotion works best when moving; it caters to the player who runs around in circles. You can say whatever you want, but that is my experience from playing 2k quite a bit especially online.

                              Yes, it would be nice if Live had signature crosses and different crosses with a more expanded dribble stick, but even the bare bones dribble stick they had last year was infinitely better than iso motion when it came to actually dribbling with a purpose.

                              Let me say it one more time: in 2k you go where you want to go and "isomotion" does the dribbles for you. IF you want to get fancy you can bust out something else, but overall you are just jerking the right stick. You can jerk the right stick in Live and get a similar result... Live has some dribble contextual animations triggered by movement, and it would be nice to see people tripping or dribbling the ball off their foot if they didn't use the stick to switch their dribble hand while doing moves.

                              So tell me, what can you possibly say that is proof that a system that requires movement (sans automatic size up moves) wins over a system that allows you to freely choose what you want to do with the ball like you would in real life?

                              Other than "It's 2k and 2k is the most sim ever!"

                              -Smak

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