NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

[metal134]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

I can't believe it took someone this long in the thread to mention it.

No one was "up in arms" about the Wii's price. Now, it's the same exact game and people complain?

Give me a break.

Could be because no one here cares about the Wii.

And could we PLEASE stop saying "Well it was 50 dollars then" blah blah blah. Yes, it was $50 THEN. Guess what? In the early 80's, VHS tapes were $80. Things go down in value over time. If any other SNES games were re-released and it cost $50, NO ONE would buy it or even consider buying it. What makes NBA Jam so different? People keep saying "It's a fully featured game." What the heck are these features that are so special? Online play, HD graphics and remix mode. Not special.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

nobody cared about it being $50 on the Wii because nobody has a Wii.

there are two sides here.

a. people who planned on having it for FREE with Elite and now have to pay $50 for it (maybe they don't care about the extra features, just want to play the CPU)...reasonably upset I would say.
b. people who still think it's good value and don't mind paying for it because it has more features than they expected.

neither side is wrong.

but it does really irk me that a mod is in here being blatantly ignorant and refusing to see the view of the other side and taking shots at the "community"

This is laughable. I find it funny you'd make the assumption I can't see the other side simply because I don't agree with it. But yea, attack my stance and not the points I brought up, because that would cause one to engage in factual discussion.

Again, a large group of individuals complained about having to buy Elite. Now they complain because it's less than the price of a regular title with more features than they charged on the Wii.

Spare everyone with "no one has a (or cares about the) Wii.". That's the worse argument I've seen. The largest selling console that no one apparently has suddenly.

Guess what - you can always NOT buy it. That's your power as a consumer. If more of you valued that you wouldn't complain as much.

[DickDalewood]

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Could be because no one here cares about the Wii.

And could we PLEASE stop saying "Well it was 50 dollars then" blah blah blah. Yes, it was $50 THEN. Guess what? In the early 80's, VHS tapes were $80. Things go down in value over time. If any other SNES games were re-released and it cost $50, NO ONE would buy it or even consider buying it. What makes NBA Jam so different? People keep saying "It's a fully featured game." What the heck are these features that are so special? Online play, HD graphics and remix mode. Not special.

A) It IS a fully featured game... Whether or not you care about those features is a completely different argument that applies to ANY game.

B) VHS tapes have dropped in value because they are no longer a supported format... However, put those same movies onto a bluray disc with updated HD visuals and guess what? They cost the same price as any other bluray. Add more features, like making of, behind the scenes, etc and guess what again? We have a $30 movie that was released twenty years ago. Now, imagine if they actually went in and tweaked the acting and overall quality of that film?

I'd say (for Jam) new moves and tweaked gameplay, a 30+ hour Remix Tour, a ladder mode AND online play is just as "special" of a feature package as what most other sports games give us with a bland offline franchise, all-star weekends, and online play. The only real titles that may offer more in terms of depth are The Show and 2K11... And what do you know, they cost $10 more.



I understand the personal preference of not WANTING to spend the money on this title, but to argue, in terms of the market, that this title is not worth it's cost is ridiculous. If that is what many of you believe, then you better be in the same boat as Blzer that NONE of these games today are.

[Blzer]

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Spare everyone with "no one has a (or cares about the) Wii.". That's the worse argument I've seen. The largest selling console that no one apparently has suddenly.

I think the only real argument I had here was that I wasn't complaining about the $50 price tag on the Wii because I hadn't even heard of it, let alone the fact that I don't own a Wii.

I understand the personal preference of not WANTING to spend the money on this title, but to argue, in terms of the market, that this title is not worth it's cost is ridiculous. If that is what many of you believe, then you better be in the same boat as Blzer that NONE of these games today are.

You're right, though... in today's game market, I do believe the game in its current form is worth $50 given all of the features. As we already know, I just don't want to spend that much. However I also do believe that games like this can sell on Live and PSN very well with lower costs (as they won't need to spend as much for production, distribution, and hell even in marketing) and the same exact features. I was very much expecting them to release a version like the one in Elite in the online stores though. Oh well, I can be patient waiting for a price drop.

[metal134]

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Spare everyone with "no one has a (or cares about the) Wii.". That's the worse argument I've seen. The largest selling console that no one apparently has suddenly.

Nobody here cares about the Wii. We're not talking about everyone else, we're talking about this message board. I have one and I still don't pay attention.

B) VHS tapes have dropped in value because they are no longer a supported format... However, put those same movies onto a bluray disc with updated HD visuals and guess what? They cost the same price as any other bluray. Add more features, like making of, behind the scenes, etc and guess what again? We have a $30 movie that was released twenty years ago. Now, imagine if they actually went in and tweaked the acting and overall quality of that film?

Not a valid argument. VHS tapes dropped in price LONG before they went obsolete. VHS tapes were not still $80 in 1990, yet there was no DVD and no Blu-Ray (and Laserdisc sure as hell didn't do anything to make the VHS format sweat.)

[Pared]

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Fine, so using that logic no multi-platform game should discuss each game's differences including the Wii version in an attempt to determine value, since "no one here cares about the Wii."

Yeah, I get your point. Makes a lot of sense in our discussion of worth here.

[DickDalewood]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

Nobody here cares about the Wii. We're not talking about everyone else, we're talking about this message board. I have one and I still don't pay attention.


Not a valid argument. VHS tapes dropped in price LONG before they went obsolete. VHS tapes were not still $80 in 1990, yet there was no DVD and no Blu-Ray (and Laserdisc sure as hell didn't do anything to make the VHS format sweat.)

You're comparing cartridge to bluray/DVD games, which, again as shown by the feature list, bring MUCH more to the table, so it IS a valid argument. Again, this game brings us WELL over 30 hours in offline modes, plus infinite online replayability. As soon as you give ME a "valid" argument on how that is any less of an offering that what every other game gives us today, then I'll gladly listen. And let's not forget that the devs DID tweak and update the gameplay on this as well.

As soon as one of you can come up with something other than a personal preference statement, you cannot argue the FACTS that this game offers as much in the way of content as every other current gen release, and does so for $10 less.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

This isn't a "tweak and update" though. The game was re-built entirely. Nothing was re-used from Midway.

Most re-releases people are talking about come from the same company that developed the original title, with access to all source-code. The team making this re-created the game without any of it.

It's actually quite a technical feat if you think about it.

All of these minor facts add up to why it makes sense they are selling it as a stand-alone game.

[DickDalewood]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

Well said Pared, and thanks for clarifying that. So go ahead and add that to all the points I just made and there is literally no argument that, when viewed in correlation with the rest of the market, this isnt a $50 game. Hell, it could have been $60 honestly.

[metal134]

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As soon as one of you can come up with something other than a personal preference statement, you cannot argue the FACTS that this game offers as much in the way of content as every other current gen release, and does so for $10 less.

Uh, personal preference/opinion is pretty much what this whole argument boils down too. There are no real FACTS.

[DickDalewood]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

Uh, personal preference/opinion is pretty much what this whole argument boils down too. There are no real FACTS.

Incorrect. The "argument" has been that this game is not worthy of a $50 price tag. To determine that you need to take personal preference out of it and simply look at what is being given for that amount. When compared to other current gen releases, this game is actually giving just as much, if note MORE content, than most $60 games, and for $10 less. That part is fact. Whether or not that content suits an individual's personal tastes is where opinion comes in, but that could apply to EVERY game ever created, so the pricing debate is ultimately irrelevant.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I look at it this way. Do I feel it's worth $50? Yes.

Do I want to pay $50 for it? No.

I wouldn't have paid $50 let alone $60 for Elite to get it for free. But facts are facts, the game was "free" on the 360/PS3 with Elite. BUT, to get the full game, EA was going to charge around another $20 to get the content on the disc, we know that for a fact since some PS3 guys have Elite and the content is there to be unlocked as DLC.

Now EA has to make the Elite money back somehow, they can't very well sell Jam, with more features, on 360/PS3 for $20 when it's $50 on Wii.

How come this argument never came up over the last few months? The Wii version was always $50, and the 360/PS3 version was always free. Now it's an argument that EA decided to sell a more feature filled version for the same price with better graphics?

Bottom line, the game with it's feature set is clearly a $50 title, no matter how you look at it. It's your opinion, personal preference if you feel it's worth it to you or not.

[Pared]

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Uh, personal preference/opinion is pretty much what this whole argument boils down too. There are no real FACTS.

Not at all. I think DDW has done a great job giving you FACTS on why this is comparable to a stand-alone title. I've even given you FACTS, to oppose an argument of worth.

I look at it this way. Do I feel it's worth $50? Yes.

Do I want to pay $50 for it? No.

I wouldn't have paid $50 let alone $60 for Elite to get it for free. But facts are facts, the game was "free" on the 360/PS3 with Elite. BUT, to get the full game, EA was going to charge around another $20 to get the content on the disc, we know that for a fact since some PS3 guys have Elite and the content is there to be unlocked as DLC.

Now EA has to make the Elite money back somehow, they can't very well sell Jam, with more features, on 360/PS3 for $20 when it's $50 on Wii.

How come this argument never came up over the last few months? The Wii version was always $50, and the 360/PS3 version was always free. Now it's an argument that EA decided to sell a more feature filled version for the same price with better graphics?

Bottom line, the game with it's feature set is clearly a $50 title, no matter how you look at it. It's your opinion, personal preference if you feel it's worth it to you or not.

Again, it was never "free" in the sense that it wasn't worth anything. Giving someone a throw-in incentive does not equal free. Weather floor mats are not "free" but a dealer can take a loss and decide to give them to you when you purchase a car.

I understand ideally we're arguing linguistics but it's an important piece of the discussion. And we've already discussed why, as evident by DirtyJerz' well put explanation. No need to rehash that.

[ODogg]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

NYYanks26 is correct, just wait a while and we'll see this title be $29 in no time..

[ODogg]

Re: NBA Jam Release Date, 11/17 - 49.99 - Title Update in December (360, PS3)

Also, I echo what EG said, it's probably "worth" $50 but I don't want to pay that. Also, value is not based on comparing the content to other games, value is determined based on how much play time you will get out of it.

In other words Mass Effect 2 no doubt has way, WAY more in it to do than NBA Jam but if you bought NBA Jam and played it 10 times more than Mass Effect 2 than the value of NBA Jam is worth $50 more than Mass Effect 2 is worth $59.

With that being said, I do plan on picking up this title but I will wait for a deal on it in the $20-$30 range.