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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28962

    #16
    Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

    Originally posted by whittleboy615
    Your freshman ranking system is a good idea. Should we use Rivals for the star rankings?

    We are also going to need to coordinate overall team rankings. I think we should try to agree on a Top 25, and go from there. I don't think many good preseason previews are out yet, but here are a few that I found.

    ESPN - Tar Heels will be overwhelming favorites to win it all - Men's College Basketball

    The Halfcourt Trap Preseason Top 10

    CollegeHoops.net - 2008-09 College Basketball Preview
    I used Scout.com for all incoming freshman because they also list strengths and weaknesses for most Top 150 players instead of just slapping a "star" ranking on them.

    I'm having trouble finding a nice balance that won't cause fans of certain teams to cry foul if their incoming freshman are rated too low.

    For example, I just finished up my rough draft for Louisville and 4-star recruits Terrance Jennings and Jared Swopshire are only 71's. They're rated this low because from all the scouting reports I've gathered both are pretty one dimensional players at this point in time - Jennings is a beanpole athlete who's a great shotblocker and defender but is as raw as they come on the offensive end. Apparently Swopshire is very weak and can't drive to the hole at all but has a great pull-up/mid-range game and is a pretty good three-point shooter.

    Meanwhile, I have Gates from Cinncy (4-star) at 76 and Miles from UConn (also 4-star) at 74 overall. I'd like to keep all 4-stars at 73 and over like I said so I suppose I can make a few tweaks to get the the L'Ville guys into that range.

    As for the overall rankings or Top 25, what I would suggest doing is creating the beta version of the rosters and listing out our Top 25 based on teams' overall ranking in the game. More than any year in a long time, the preseason Polls are going to vary greatly from publication to publication. I mean, I've seen UConn as high as #2 and as low as #15. I've seen Pitt as high as #1 and as low as #16.

    It's going to be tough to please everyone, perhaps when we release each version would should just slap a disclaimer on it that this is our best effort and feel free to edit incoming freshman to your hearts content if you think we slighted or overrated a certain freshman.

    I'm hoping to complete the Big East by tomorrow afternoon/evening.
    "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

    "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #17
      Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

      So far for the BE here's what I got for overall ratings for the top teams I've finished.

      UConn: 89
      Louisville: 88
      Pitt: 88
      Notre Dame: 86
      Georgetown: 86

      Right now the best player in the conference is Harangody at 91 overall followed by AJ Price at 89, Sam Young at 88 and Terrance Williams at 87.

      Thoughts?
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

      "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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      • whittleboy615
        Pro
        • Nov 2006
        • 862

        #18
        Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

        Upping the awareness ratings always seems to affect the overall rating the most, so you could try that with the Louisville guys. That way the OVR rises, but the skillset doesn't change much.

        Are you going to edit player ratings for non-freshman?

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #19
          Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

          Originally posted by whittleboy615
          Upping the awareness ratings always seems to affect the overall rating the most, so you could try that with the Louisville guys. That way the OVR rises, but the skillset doesn't change much.

          Are you going to edit player ratings for non-freshman?
          Yes. Since it's based on the Final 07-08 ratings several guys won't go up much, maybe a point or two overall, while the top returning players are going up anywhere from 3-6 points from what I've seen so far.
          "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

          "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28962

            #20
            Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

            I also realized it's going to be a major bitch to try to keep the ratings consistent throughout the entire file. We are definitely going to have to go back through when we're done with v1 and compare certain players to make sure things aren't too out of wack.

            As for the awareness thing, I had both UL recruits in the 60's for the AWR of the weak spot (O for Jennings, D for Swopshire) so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
            "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

            "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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            • whittleboy615
              Pro
              • Nov 2006
              • 862

              #21
              Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

              Originally posted by ehh
              So far for the BE here's what I got for overall ratings for the top teams I've finished.

              UConn: 89
              Louisville: 88
              Pitt: 88
              Notre Dame: 86
              Georgetown: 86

              Right now the best player in the conference is Harangody at 91 overall followed by AJ Price at 89, Sam Young at 88 and Terrance Williams at 87.

              Thoughts?
              That looks fine to me, except Earl Clark might deserve to be that Top 4. The Big East is going to be loaded.

              Something like this might help, but I can't find one for the 08-09 season.
              Last edited by whittleboy615; 07-30-2008, 02:57 PM.

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              • crques
                All Star
                • Apr 2004
                • 5048

                #22
                Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                ehh,

                Are you going to incorporate coaching changes into the file? Since the coaches aren't named on my file and really not of that much importance to me because none of them hardly resemble the real coaches anyway, I was thinking that the updated roster file should also contain coaching tendency and recruiting tendency changes based on the new coaches. For example, since Tom Crean is now coaching Indiana, Indiana's coaching and recruiting tendencies should be changed to mirror what was on the game for him at Marquette. What do you think?

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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #23
                  Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                  Originally posted by crques
                  ehh,

                  Are you going to incorporate coaching changes into the file? Since the coaches aren't named on my file and really not of that much importance to me because none of them hardly resemble the real coaches anyway, I was thinking that the updated roster file should also contain coaching tendency and recruiting tendency changes based on the new coaches. For example, since Tom Crean is now coaching Indiana, Indiana's coaching and recruiting tendencies should be changed to mirror what was on the game for him at Marquette. What do you think?
                  I noticed you hadn't named the coaches, was that coach-name bug more of an issue on PS3 than 360? I coulda sworn it was resolved on 360 but I'm not positive.

                  I had planned on doing on the coaching changes as I included them on my transaction sheet but I haven't made the changes in the actual game yet. I'm all for doing the priorities though, the more realistic we get this roster set the better!
                  "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                  "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                  • crques
                    All Star
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 5048

                    #24
                    Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                    Originally posted by ehh
                    I noticed you hadn't named the coaches, was that coach-name bug more of an issue on PS3 than 360? I coulda sworn it was resolved on 360 but I'm not positive.

                    I had planned on doing on the coaching changes as I included them on my transaction sheet but I haven't made the changes in the actual game yet. I'm all for doing the priorities though, the more realistic we get this roster set the better!
                    I thought it was still a problem on the 360 but i don't know for sure. Seems like the last update from dkrause that I got off of there was glitched.

                    I can do all the coaching strategy and recruiting priority changes. I have a list of all the coaching changes and have made some notes about them. I've been researching them for my roster but haven't started changing them on the game yet.

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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #25
                      Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                      Originally posted by crques
                      I thought it was still a problem on the 360 but i don't know for sure. Seems like the last update from dkrause that I got off of there was glitched.

                      I can do all the coaching strategy and recruiting priority changes. I have a list of all the coaching changes and have made some notes about them. I've been researching them for my roster but haven't started changing them on the game yet.
                      Sounds good, I'll post the Big East file tomorrow as soon as it's done. I'm working from home tomorrow so I should have plenty of time to get it done.
                      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                      "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                      • Vince
                        Bow for Bau
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26017

                        #26
                        Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                        I'm a PS3 guy...whatever help you guys need just tell me...
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                        • crques
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5048

                          #27
                          Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          Sounds good, I'll post the Big East file tomorrow as soon as it's done. I'm working from home tomorrow so I should have plenty of time to get it done.
                          Ok.....I can try to work on it some tomorrow evening but I might not get to until Saturday evening. I'm going out of town Friday and will be back sometime Saturday so if want to wait until then to post it, that would be fine.

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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #28
                            Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                            Does anyone know what individual attribute affects team unity? I can't get some teams high enough, Notre Dame and UConn are both in the 40's despite returning four starters.
                            "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                            "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                            • whittleboy615
                              Pro
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 862

                              #29
                              Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                              Originally posted by ehh
                              Does anyone know what individual attribute affects team unity? I can't get some teams high enough, Notre Dame and UConn are both in the 40's despite returning four starters.
                              For some reason, I always thought that team unity was affected by the amount of upperclassmen on the team, but that was just an assumption.

                              Or maybe it has more to do with tendencies. I'm just speculating, but it seems like if everyone on the team had high, score-first tendencies, the team unity rating should suffer.
                              Last edited by whittleboy615; 07-31-2008, 12:17 PM.

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                              • crques
                                All Star
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 5048

                                #30
                                Re: PS3 Users: Anyone Want to Get an 09 Roster going?

                                Originally posted by ehh
                                Does anyone know what individual attribute affects team unity? I can't get some teams high enough, Notre Dame and UConn are both in the 40's despite returning four starters.
                                I'm not sure what affects that but I'm thinking that when I play I turn team unity off. I can't remember though. Seems like when I had it on, smaller teams with higher team unity were beating larger teams consistently. I don't mind seeing it every now and then but I don't like seeing it all the time.

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