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  • OSUPiper
    MVP
    • Nov 2005
    • 1099
    #31
    Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

    I have played around and watched several games with all different styles of team composition, and this set plays well across different styles as much as any set I have tried. Plus, stats are much more in-line, and shot distribution is really believable (Mid Tendency is probably too high, but I worry about flow if I drop it anymore.) But, FG% is too low and fouls are uneven and tend to penalize pressure defense more than is fair. I am not seeing the dribble penetration I was looking for and have now decided to abandon this revision of my sliders. Frankly, the previous set looked better, was more fun (even if a little arcade-y), and most importantly we saw effective use of dribble and superstars played like superstars.

    I am not pursuing the sliders listed below; however, I am continuing to look at the effect on Speed=100. I then will try (1) upping defensive awareness until I lose dribble penetration and/or (2) lowering all shot tendencies to get pace in line with other stats.



    My First Page set is a blast, so I cannot say that I recommend switching to these if you enjoy that set. On the other hand, for those of you wanting a little more sim style, good stat representation, and a less wide open offensive game, try these but you will need to tweak FG% and tendencies and fouls:


    "Speed=100" SLIDERS



    <table width="430" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">GAMEPLAY
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">RULES
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mode
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Sim
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shot Clock
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Difficulty
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">MOP
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OOB
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Half Lngth
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">19
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Backcourt
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Sim Half
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">19
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">10 secs
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Game Spd
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">42
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 secs
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Plyr Spd
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">28
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3 secs
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">FT Diff
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 guarded
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Plyr Lock
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Goaltend
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Real FT%
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Bonus 1+1
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">7 fouls
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Fatigue
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dbl Bonus
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">10 fouls
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Injuries
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Foul out
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 fouls
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Tm Unity
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Charging
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">6th Man
    </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">Blocking
    </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Clutch
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Reaching
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">91
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Pass Icon
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shooting Foul
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">62
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Def Plyr Icon
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Loose Ball
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inbound Def
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shot Stick FT
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr></tbody></table>

    <table width="858" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">SLIDERS
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">SHOOTING
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ATTRIBUTES
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">GAMEPLAY
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">FITNESS
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">IR
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">33
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Off Aw
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">70
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Team Unity
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">65
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Fatigue Rate
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">40
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mid
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">45
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Def Aw
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">75
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk in Trfc
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Recvry Rate
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">55
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3pt
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">47
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Screen Succ
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">52
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inj Freq
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">95
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">49
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">BH
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">27
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Screen Str
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inj Effect
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">25
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Layup
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">37
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OR
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Steal Succ
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Close tend
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">14
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">DR
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">0
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Help D
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">30
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mid tend
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">50
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Block
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Help Recvry
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">46
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3pt tend
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">16
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Steal
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Drive tend
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">69
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Speed
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
    </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"></td></tr></tbody></table>



    Known issues: could not balance fouls, creating artificial mismatches; did see increased turnovers


    Suspected issues: Close FG% is too low, penetrating G/F are underpowered
    Last edited by OSUPiper; 02-07-2016, 12:53 PM. Reason: update in bold

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      • Brock
        MVP
        • Apr 2008
        • 1442
        #32
        Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

        Game I'm currently playing is almost ending... Team went for a late game foul and committed a clear path foul, resulting in two technical freethrows. Played this game since its first came out and never seen either happen.

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          • OSUPiper
            MVP
            • Nov 2005
            • 1099
            #33
            Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

            Originally posted by Brock
            Game I'm currently playing is almost ending... Team went for a late game foul and committed a clear path foul, resulting in two technical freethrows. Played this game since its first came out and never seen either happen.


            That is awesome. Also, sad that we see that for the first time in 2016...

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              • OSUPiper
                MVP
                • Nov 2005
                • 1099
                #34
                Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                Updated post on Page 5, where I was testing a theory on dribble penetration.

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                  • OSUPiper
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 1099
                    #35
                    Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                    At Speed=100, Tendencies are currently at


                    Close 11
                    Mid 40
                    3pt 16
                    Drive 65


                    Other important sliders, currently set at


                    Off Aw 75
                    Def Aw 71
                    BallH 27


                    Screen Succ 52
                    Screen Str 100
                    Help D 30
                    Help Rec 46


                    Reach Foul 88
                    Shoot Foul 62


                    Notes
                    - I finally saw the impact of the high Mid Tendency. Big men that should not have been shooting early in the shot clock were regularly launching 2-3 from 15 feet out. I am hoping that by working other sliders around, I can still get a fair number of challenges at mid range.
                    - So far, dribble penetration is decent without raising Ballhandling, but we will see if it keeps up. Upping Screen Success and lowering Help D should help stabilize this.
                    - Fouls have been good; pressure defense is still punished though.
                    - Pace is excellent.
                    -

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                      • OSUPiper
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1099
                        #36
                        Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                        Latest Sliders, updated on Page One
                        - Very happy with Pace, shot selection, overall flow
                        - Fouls might be low by 1-2 per game
                        - FG% might be low at Close range, but looks pretty good
                        - Good penetration from players that can


                        I do not see myself deviating from these absent some glaring gameplay problems that show up in the future. Enjoy....


                        SLIDERS V 2.0


                        Sliders (old values in parentheses)


                        <table width="430" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">GAMEPLAY
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">RULES
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mode
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Sim
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shot Clock
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Difficulty
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">MOP
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OOB
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Half Lngth
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">19
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Backcourt
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Sim Half
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">19
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">10 secs
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Game Spd
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">42
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 secs
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Plyr Spd
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">28 (30)
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3 secs
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">FT Diff
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 guarded
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Plyr Lock
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Goaltend
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Real FT%
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Bonus 1+1
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">7 fouls
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Fatigue
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dbl Bonus
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">10 fouls
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Injuries
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Foul out
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">5 fouls
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Tm Unity
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Charging
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">6th Man
                        </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">Blocking
                        </td><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Clutch
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Reaching
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">88 (93)
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Pass Icon
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shooting Foul
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">64 (56)
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Def Plyr Icon
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Loose Ball
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inbound Def
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ON
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Shot Stick FT
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OFF
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr></tbody></table>

                        <table width="858" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">SLIDERS
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">SHOOTING
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">ATTRIBUTES
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">GAMEPLAY
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">FITNESS
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">IR
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">35 (33)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Off Aw
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">75
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Team Unity
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">65
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Fatigue Rate
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">40
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mid
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">47 (46)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Def Aw
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">71 (70)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk in Trfc
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Recvry Rate
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">55
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3pt
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">47 (46)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Screen Succ
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">52 (45)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inj Freq
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">95
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Dunk
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">49 (50)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">BH
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">27 (29)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Screen Str
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Inj Effect
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">25
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Layup
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">37
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">OR
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Steal Succ
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Close tend
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">11
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">DR
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">0
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Help D
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">30 (36)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Mid tend
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">40 (60)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Block
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Help Recvry
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">46 (42)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">3pt tend
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">18 (21)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Steal
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td></tr><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Drive tend
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">65 (67)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">Speed
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100 (65)
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                        </td><td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"></td></tr></tbody></table>

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                          • OSUPiper
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1099
                            #37
                            Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                            See Page 1


                            Made changes to Game Time Edits (Defensive Pressure should be between 60 and 90.


                            Made changes to Pre-Season Player Edits. Better progression, 3PT tendency is too sensitive to edit.


                            Will likely lower Mid FG% back to 46.

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                              • hazey
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 723
                                #38
                                Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                These would work for coaching mode? I cannot remember if there is a difference between code mode and cpu vs cpu in this game regarding sliders....

                                WHy injuries off but you have aa slider rating that isn't defaulted? Just curious?
                                Last edited by hazey; 02-13-2016, 05:52 PM.

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                                  • OSUPiper
                                    MVP
                                    • Nov 2005
                                    • 1099
                                    #39
                                    Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                    Originally posted by hazey
                                    These would work for coaching mode? I cannot remember if there is a difference between code mode and cpu vs cpu in this game regarding sliders....

                                    WHy injuries off but you have aa slider rating that isn't defaulted? Just curious?


                                    These should work for Coach Mode. In previous versions, CPUvCPU and Coach sliders transferred pretty well.


                                    One thing I would do in Coach Mode is pick an Offense to run while giving the opposing coach "All Plays." If you find that you can expose some setting to your advantage, I would adjust that slider to try and eliminate that advantage. Otherwise, they should be a good start for Coach Mode.


                                    As for Injuries, I turn them off because
                                    1. Injuries are to inconsistent in played games, giving an advantage to User teams; and
                                    2. Injuries really screw up the CPU roster rotations throughout the season.


                                    I used to leave them on, and that is the only reason I have sliders set up for Injuries. Frankly, you can turn them off and ignore those sliders.

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                                      • OSUPiper
                                        MVP
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 1099
                                        #40
                                        Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                        After some testing, FG% looks legitimately low, but I can't pinpoint exactly where. 3pFG% is good. The misses I am seeing do not seem out of the ordinary, and I think it might just be slightly too low across the board. Tinkering with raising Close Mid and Layup just slightly.


                                        Also, I feel like drives to the basket are still a little weak, so I may bump Ballhandling a little. I do not want to, because turnovers were perfect in terms of total numbers.

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                                          • OSUPiper
                                            MVP
                                            • Nov 2005
                                            • 1099
                                            #41
                                            Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                            Updated to V2.1.


                                            Improved FG% slightly
                                            Improved dribble penetration
                                            Improved post presence
                                            Improved shot distribution overall

                                            Sliders (old values in parentheses)


                                            <table width="430" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"> <tbody><tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> GAMEPLAY
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> RULES
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Mode
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Sim
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Shot Clock
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Difficulty
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> MOP
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> OOB
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Half Lngth
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 19
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Backcourt
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Sim Half
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 19
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 10 secs
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Game Spd
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 42
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 5 secs
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Plyr Spd
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 28
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 3 secs
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> FT Diff
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 5 guarded
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Plyr Lock
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> OFF
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Goaltend
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Real FT%
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Bonus 1+1
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 7 fouls
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Fatigue
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Dbl Bonus
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 10 fouls
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Injuries
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> OFF
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Foul out
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 5 fouls
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Tm Unity
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Charging
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM"> 6th Man
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM"> Blocking
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="22" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Clutch
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Reaching
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">89 (88)
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Pass Icon
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Shooting Foul
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 67 (64)
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Def Plyr Icon
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Loose Ball
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Inbound Def
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ON
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Shot Stick FT
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> OFF
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="25%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> </tbody></table>

                                            <table width="858" dir="LTR" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"> <tbody><tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> SLIDERS
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> SHOOTING
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> ATTRIBUTES
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> GAMEPLAY
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> FITNESS
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> IR
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 39 (35)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Off Aw
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 75
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Team Unity
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 65
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Fatigue Rate
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 40
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Mid
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 47
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Def Aw
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 70 (71)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Dunk in Trfc
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Recvry Rate
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 55
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 3pt
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 46 (47)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Dunk
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Screen Succ
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 55 (52)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Inj Freq
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 95
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Dunk
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 49
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> BH
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 28 (27)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Screen Str
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Inj Effect
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 25
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Layup
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 37
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> OR
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Steal Succ
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Close tend
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 10 (11)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> DR
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 0
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Help D
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 30
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Mid tend
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">35 (40)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Block
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Help Recvry
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 46
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 3pt tend
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">17 (18)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Steal
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> <tr><td width="13%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Drive tend
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> 68 (65)
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM"> Speed
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">100
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> <td width="12%" height="20" valign="BOTTOM">
                                            </td> </tr> </tbody></table>

                                              Comment

                                              • bill891
                                                Rookie
                                                • Aug 2007
                                                • 15
                                                #42
                                                Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                                Thanks for your great work on this set, i enjoy playing CPU vs CPU and you are making it a better experience for me.

                                                I have a dumb question though. Trying to do your game time edits, how do you edit the opposing coach's profile? When I try I can only edit my own coach's.

                                                Thanks again.

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                                                  • Brock
                                                    MVP
                                                    • Apr 2008
                                                    • 1442
                                                    #43
                                                    Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                                    Originally posted by bill891
                                                    Thanks for your great work on this set, i enjoy playing CPU vs CPU and you are making it a better experience for me.

                                                    I have a dumb question though. Trying to do your game time edits, how do you edit the opposing coach's profile? When I try I can only edit my own coach's.

                                                    Thanks again.
                                                    If you're playing a closed legacy, you probably can't edit coaches. I've never tried, but I know you can't edit other players.

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                                                      • bill891
                                                        Rookie
                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 15
                                                        #44
                                                        Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                                        Originally posted by Brock
                                                        If you're playing a closed legacy, you probably can't edit coaches. I've never tried, but I know you can't edit other players.
                                                        Thanks, that's what I thought it might be. It is a closed legacy. I appreciate the help.

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                                                          • OSUPiper
                                                            MVP
                                                            • Nov 2005
                                                            • 1099
                                                            #45
                                                            Re: OSUPiper's CH2K8 CPUvCPU Experience

                                                            I always play open legacy, because I anticipate editing. Honestly, I think the sliders should still work. You just will not see the offensive rebounding and transition baskets with as much frequency.

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