At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

[HardwoodHeisman]

I'd go with Vince just lookin at some of the accomplishments and credentials he has at this point.

[Vince]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Neither(at least not yet)...But If I had to chose, I'd go with MAC... Both quit on their teams, both haven't done much in the playoffs, both though have gotten their teams into the playoffs with sub-par supporting casts, but T-Mac had a lot less talent and still got to the playoffs in 2002-2003, I believe and he also has a scoring title. He's also a better defender and overall, the better playmaker.

And good job HH not adding Kobe in this question

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Neither(at least not yet)...But If I had to chose, I'd go with MAC... Both quit on their teams, both haven't done much in the playoffs, both though have gotten their teams into the playoffs with sub-par supporting casts, but T-Mac had a lot less talent and still got to the playoffs in 2002-2003, I believe and he also has a scoring title. He's also a better defender and overall, the better playmaker.

And good job HH not adding Kobe in this question

When it comes to that name in this forum, I'm like.........

[Shaq]Who?....I'm not familiar with that name[/Shaq]

[Yosemite Dan]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Vince Carter has a better chance making it into the WNBA hall of fame.

[SPTO]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Vince Carter has a better chance making it into the WNBA hall of fame.

BINGO!

[Court_vision]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Neither are close ATM.


Both could be by their careers end...but they really need rings / some sort of impact on 'The Finals'.

[Muzyk23]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

HOFers? for what?

[Kashanova]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

I got to go with mac. He's Just better overall. He's a Better scorer, playmaker, and defender. Lead the league in scorer twice, one of the few players to avg 30+ pts, 5+ reb, and 5+ asst. He took a team with almost no talent to the playoffs. He is one of the few to score 60. Scored 13 points in 35 seconds to win a game with the best defensive team statically this year. A 29ppg avg for the playoffs. He became the youngest player to average 30-plus points per game since the NBA/ABA merger in 1976-77 and the youngest since Bob McAdoo (34.5 ppg) back in 1974-75.

[charles167]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Neither are HOF right now. You have to crack this list first

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=cBComp vAlign=top align=left width="100%" height="100%"><TABLE class=gSGTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=gSGSectionTitle colSpan=6>All Time Leaders: Points


</TD></TR><TR class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap width=300>Player </TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=60>G</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=60>FG</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=60>FT</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=60>PPG</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=60>PTS</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,560</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>15,837</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>6,712</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>24.6</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>38,387</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>2. Karl Malone</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,476</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>13,528</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>9,787</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>25.0</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>36,928</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>3. Michael Jordan</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,072</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>12,192</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>7,327</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>30.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>32,292</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>4. Wilt Chamberlain</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,045</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>12,681</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>6,057</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>30.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>31,419</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>5. Moses Malone</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,329</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>9,435</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,531</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20.6</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>27,409</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>6. Elvin Hayes</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,303</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>10,976</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>5,356</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>21.0</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>27,313</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>7. Hakeem Olajuwon</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,238</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>10,749</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5,423</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>21.8</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>26,946</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>8. Oscar Robertson</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,040</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>9,508</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>7,694</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>25.7</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>26,710</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>9. Dominique Wilkins</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,074</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>9,963</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>6,031</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>24.8</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>26,668</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>10. John Havlicek</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,270</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>10,513</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>5,369</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>20.8</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>26,395</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>11. Alex English</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,193</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>10,659</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4,277</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>21.5</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>25,613</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>12. Reggie Miller</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,389</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>8,241</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>6,237</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>18.2</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>25,279</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>13. Jerry West</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>932</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>9,016</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>7,160</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>27.0</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>25,192</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>14. Patrick Ewing</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,183</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>9,702</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>5,392</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>21.0</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>24,815</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>15. Charles Barkley</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,073</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,435</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>6,349</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>22.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>23,757</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>16. Shaquille O'Neal</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>882</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>9,328</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4,926</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>26.7</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>23,583</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>17. Robert Parish</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,611</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>9,614</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4,106</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>14.5</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>23,334</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>18. Adrian Dantley</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>955</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>8,169</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>6,832</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>24.3</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>23,177</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>19. Elgin Baylor</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>846</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,693</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5,763</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>27.4</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>23,149</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>20. Clyde Drexler</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,086</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>8,335</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4,698</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>20.4</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>22,195</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>21. Larry Bird</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>897</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,591</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3,960</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>24.3</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>21,791</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>22. Hal Greer</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,122</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>8,504</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4,578</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>19.2</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>21,586</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>23. Walt Bellamy</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,043</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>7,914</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5,113</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20,941</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>24. Bob Pettit</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>792</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>7,349</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>6,182</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>26.4</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>20,880</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>25. Gary Payton</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,186</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,334</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3,127</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>17.6</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20,829</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>26. David Robinson</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>987</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>7,365</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>6,035</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>21.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>20,790</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>27. George Gervin</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>791</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>8,045</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4,541</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>26.2</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20,708</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>28. Mitch Richmond</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>976</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>7,305</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4,561</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>21.0</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>20,497</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>29. Tom Chambers</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>1,107</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>7,378</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5,066</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>18.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>20,049</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>30. John Stockton</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>1,504</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>7,039</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4,788</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>13.1</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>19,711</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=cBSide noWrap>


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[Gilateen]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

this cant be a serious question.....neither are HOF worthy.....not even close! Once they decide to become better team players then their careers will start to mean something. As of now, both are playing for stats and money. Anytime a player pouts and wants to be traded he is a bitch. MJ had many teams that was subpar and he made the most of them...yeah MJ didnt pass early in his career but when MJ wanted to start winning, he started to take on a better leadership role. The players today dont have the drive and intenstity to be superstars.....too much griping, moaning and complaining about coaches, playing time, shots and contracts.

I also forgot that neither of these players play any D......

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Its obvious that neither are close and I'm not sayin that either will get in. Its just at this point, who's career looks more like that of a HOFamer. Even if its a looooonnnnnggggggsssshhhhoooootttt and a choice had to be made, who would you go with?

I picked Vince because he was one game short from gettin his team to the ECF's and made an immediate impact as soon as he got in the league. He declined but he came right into NJ and absolutely carried that team to the playoffs.

But the choice of T-Mac is just as good though because he's made an improvement every year and some of the #'s he has put up has just been crazy. I still question whether he will ever get out of the first round because he tends to come back down to earth late in a Playoff series. He's also struggled in the big games which is the difference between stayin in the Playoffs or goin home early.

[sammyc521]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

Neither...they haven't done anything the deserves HoF considerations.

[tenth]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

For what it's worth, T-Mac's doing better in basketballreference.com's HOF monitor.

T-Mac - 123
Vince - 98

Likely Hall of Famer > 135.

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

For what it's worth, T-Mac's doing better in basketballreference.com's HOF monitor.

T-Mac - 123
Vince - 98

Likely Hall of Famer > 135.

I seen this yesterday. Basketball Reference is a great site IMO.

[tenth]

Re: At this point in their careers, who is more HOF worthy, T-Mac or Vince Carter?

I seen this yesterday. Basketball Reference is a great site IMO.

Apparently they're changing their name to databasebasketball and branching out to other sports, which is great since they do such a great job with basketball.

Between them, 82games.com, and Patricia's site, there's not too much info you can't find.