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  • XBox_Roughneck
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1728

    #1

    Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

    1. Andrew Bynum- Center: I know nothing about the guy, but based on his physical stats and the tape, I give this pick a...

    B-
    Bynum Bio
    He may be the next Shaq, or the next Oliwakandi.

    2. Ronny Turiaf- PF(Gonzaga): Know nothing about this guy, but based on the Lakers needs, his tape and where he was picked I give this an

    A-
    Turiaf Bio

    3. Von Wafer- G (Florida State): Uhm....?? I give this pick a D because Urik was still on the board and they play the same position. If Wafer makes the team and can play defense against quick guards this pick could be a good pick.

    Until then, Wafer gets a

    D
    Wafer Bio

    Overall, I give Mitch a C-.

    This season will make or break the Kupchik.
    Last edited by XBox_Roughneck; 06-28-2005, 10:36 PM.
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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28962

    #2
    Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

    There is no way to grade Bynum now, we won't know for another 5 years or so.

    Being a huge UConn fan, there has been plenty in the media about him lately. Calhoun has repeatidly said he's no where near ready for the NBA and would struggle to get PT at Connecticut next year. He's a project, slow, outta shape, doesn't work hard. Hopefully for your sake Phil can instill that in him. If not, he'll definately be the nex Desainga Diop or however you spell his name.

    From most comparisons around here, Bynum is "the next Brendan Haywood".


    Have fun w. him Lakers
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    • XBox_Roughneck
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 1728

      #3
      Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

      Originally posted by ehh
      There is no way to grade Bynum now, we won't know for another 5 years or so.

      Being a huge UConn fan, there has been plenty in the media about him lately. Calhoun has repeatidly said he's no where near ready for the NBA and would struggle to get PT at Connecticut next year. He's a project, slow, outta shape, doesn't work hard. Hopefully for your sake Phil can instill that in him. If not, he'll definately be the nex Desainga Diop or however you spell his name.

      From most comparisons around here, Bynum is "the next Brendan Haywood".


      Have fun w. him Lakers
      If what you say is true, then except for the second round pick this draft was a waste.

      Hmm....

      Let's see. Last year the Lakers used a first round pick on a player that doesn't figure to start next year even though our starting PG is below average. The second round pick wasn't allowed to play BBall.

      The year before we drafted Brian Cook with the first pick, Luke Walton with the second. It can be argued that neither is a starter in this league going into their third season.


      So far I'm ready to fire Mitch.
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      • ehh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 28962

        #4
        Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

        Originally posted by XBox_Roughneck
        If what you say is true, then except for the second round pick this draft was a waste.

        Well, like you said in your first post, Bynum has a chance to be very good (not quite the next Shaq) or the next Olowokandi. He's only 17, and will still be 17 when the season starts in October.

        That means he'll be EIGHT seasons into his NBA career (if he lasts that long) by his 25th birthday. He has a lot of room to grow, and Phil Jackson is a good person to do help him do that, but there really aren't any good big men on the Lakers to help him and the whole soap opera w. Kobe/Phil isn't the best thing for a 17 year old to be involved in.

        Also, alot of people shunned him because he turned down UConn where Calhoun has been grooming big men for a couple of years now. Okafor was hardly on the radar when he came into UConn and he ended up the best center in college bball in over a decade and Boone has grown exponetially in his 2 years at Storrs. Plus Bynum's brother basically did all the talking and agent type work. And he's an idiot. He disregarded everything Calhoun told him and he swore that Bynum was ready to play in the NBA right now and be a contributor. Ehh, that isn't gonna happen. He was huffing and puffing up and down the court in the AA games which are a joke.

        He just better be prepared to ride some serious pine for the next 4 years.
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        • Slymm
          Th* m*n...
          • Nov 2002
          • 3406

          #5
          Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

          Honestly, Mitch Kupchak did exactly what I thought he would... **** this up!
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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #6
            Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

            Originally posted by XBox_Roughneck
            1. Andrew Bynum- Center: I know nothing about the guy, but based on his physical stats and the tape, I give this pick a...

            B-
            Bynum Bio
            He may be the next Shaq, or the next Oliwakandi.

            2. Ronny Turiaf- PF(Gonzaga): Know nothing about this guy, but based on the Lakers needs, his tape and where he was picked I give this an

            A-
            Turiaf Bio

            3. Von Wafer- G (Florida State): Uhm....?? I give this pick a D because Urik was still on the board and they play the same position. If Wafer makes the team and can play defense against quick guards this pick could be a good pick.

            Until then, Wafer gets a

            D
            Wafer Bio

            Overall, I give Mitch a C-.

            This season will make or break the Kupchik.
            wow a "b" for bynum. i dunno seems kind of high. i am thouroughly displeased with the way the lakers have been drafting since we got kobe and fisher. wtf. i am actually upset over this right now. when you have big guys that can make an immediate impact like S. May (title winner) there, maybe even warrick (title winner), heck even vasquez.. god what the hell. bynum wont be a factor this year. or next year. hes slow, lacks explosiveness, doesnt look like he has the greatest footwork. not to mention there were still guards/forwards left like granger, g green, and A. Wright that could have stepped right in and contributed. thank god we got turiafs muscle in the second round. as far as wafer, if he can shoot the set shot it might workout. but bynum, what a terrible waste of a pick.

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            • Dynasty4Kobe
              MVP
              • Apr 2003
              • 2769

              #7
              Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

              From what I've heard, this is what our draft picks translate to in terms of NBA comparisons:

              Andrew Bynum - Shaquille O'Neal, Eddy Curry (back to the basket game)

              Ronny Turiaf - Brian Grant, PJ Brown (bases game on hustle plays)

              Von Wafer - Jumaine Jones, Quentin Richardson (athletic shooter)

              Now I'm not saying these players will be as good as these comparisons, but from what I hear, this is how their playing styles compare to NBA players.

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #8
                Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                Originally posted by Dynasty4Kobe
                From what I've heard, this is what our draft picks translate to in terms of NBA comparisons:

                Andrew Bynum - Shaquille O'Neal, Eddy Curry (back to the basket game)

                Ronny Turiaf - Brian Grant, PJ Brown (bases game on hustle plays)

                Von Wafer - Jumaine Jones, Quentin Richardson (athletic shooter)

                Now I'm not saying these players will be as good as these comparisons, but from what I hear, this is how their playing styles compare to NBA players.
                where are you hearing these things. have you ever seen andrew bynum play. the comparison to shaq is for the size alone. even comparing him to eddy curry is a stretch. comparing bynum to shaq is utterly.. its just outright wrong. shaq is explosive. he is fierce, agile. shaq has displayed these traits since he was playing in high school. the turiaf comparison sounds about right. wafer.. hes an undersized streaky two guard.. settles for the perimeter shot like richardson, but thats about as far as those comparisons go.. he wont get in the paint for a scrappy rebound or play physical defense like jones will.

                sean may. hakim warrick. danny granger. gerald green. antione wright. fran vasquez. god. i am still upset at 12:32 AM.

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                • driddy
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 989

                  #9
                  Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                  Originally posted by Dynasty4Kobe
                  From what I've heard, this is what our draft picks translate to in terms of NBA comparisons:

                  Andrew Bynum - Shaquille O'Neal, Eddy Curry (back to the basket game)

                  Ronny Turiaf - Brian Grant, PJ Brown (bases game on hustle plays)

                  Von Wafer - Jumaine Jones, Quentin Richardson (athletic shooter)

                  Now I'm not saying these players will be as good as these comparisons, but from what I hear, this is how their playing styles compare to NBA players.
                  I'm okay with the draft, there will only be about five good players in this draft, the rest will off the radar years down the line. Bynum may be the real deal, but I dont want to wait 4 years for that, I would throw him out there and see what he has day one. Wouldn't it be something if he shows he was more ready than Bogut? The 4 we picked up looks like a Brian Grant type, so with Brian's knees it will help to have someone to bang inside. The Von guy, no idea, but I kind of like that he punched someone out during his private workout.

                  And I wont grade Mitch on what the UConn contingent says, talk about your hippocrites, they wanted him to come to their school, now he shuns them and he's a bum? LOL.

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                  • Mofasa
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 471

                    #10
                    Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                    IM just gonna sit back and see how this goes, if this kid can get his act together he can be very good....Mitch took a big risk, but if it pays of we could have a solid center for years to come...lets just see how it plays out.

                    From hos bio he sound like a good kid...and obviously he impressed LA in his work out
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                    • pnoyMESSIAH
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 23

                      #11
                      Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                      Awesome; i agree Bynum was taken a bit too high at 10, but i'm rooting for him cause he lives in my area . B-

                      Ronny Turiaf is proven, i've seen this guy play, pretty solid pick. A

                      Know nothing about this Von Wafer, so I guess i won't grade him.

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                      • Vince
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26017

                        #12
                        Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                        He's a project, slow, outta shape, doesn't work hard
                        He lost over 20 pounds prior to the draft. His workout regimen would consisted of running every morning at 5:30. Then working out in the gym, then working with his trainer in terms of basketball related stuff. He's no longer out of shape. There's one pic of him on a draft site and he looks like he's 250 instead of the 300 pounds everyone said he was.
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                        • HardwoodHeisman
                          R*d B*ll G*v*s Y** W*ngs
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 2399

                          #13
                          Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                          Watchin him and listenin to him on Cold Pizza, he sounds like a really good kid. I don't see 300lbs though. If he is that is amazin because he looks no more than 275. At 17 years old though, he'll be a project with time to develop. I just hope he's in the right system that'll develop him. I'll tell you this though, these Shaq comparisons are down right idiotic and disrespectful to Shaquille.

                          Trust me though guys, I was just as down as soon as the pick was made. I got worried as soon as all the trade rumors were shut off, but after Green slipped a bit, I just knew we had him. I hope this isn't a decision we're goin to regret, but like I said, there isn't any quick cure to a franchise in this draft. I think a package of Bynum and Turiaf inside could in time be pretty good.

                          But the obvious worst pick was Von Wafer. Too many PROVEN college guards left to take him.

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                          • faster
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 2182

                            #14
                            Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                            So, let's see, the Lakers REALLY need a big man to step in NOW and play. A PF would be nice so they could move Odom to SF and really take advantage of his skills.

                            Anybody else a little disappointed they didn't take Sean May? May might not become an all-star, but he's polished, has a low-post game, knows basketball and busts his butt.

                            Personally, the Lakers need players NOW NOW NOW. With Phil and the triangle running through Odom and Bryant, I see the Lake-show getting to the playoffs. A healthy Kobe would have went a long way last year. Plus, last year, having a completely new team, I'm not too disappointed with what happened. I think they'll be tough this year.
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                            • XBox_Roughneck
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1728

                              #15
                              Re: Lakers 2005 Draft! Grade each pick and Kupchik.

                              Originally posted by penguit
                              So, let's see, the Lakers REALLY need a big man to step in NOW and play. A PF would be nice so they could move Odom to SF and really take advantage of his skills.

                              Anybody else a little disappointed they didn't take Sean May? May might not become an all-star, but he's polished, has a low-post game, knows basketball and busts his butt.

                              Personally, the Lakers need players NOW NOW NOW. With Phil and the triangle running through Odom and Bryant, I see the Lake-show getting to the playoffs. A healthy Kobe would have went a long way last year. Plus, last year, having a completely new team, I'm not too disappointed with what happened. I think they'll be tough this year.
                              Since the Lakers picked up Turiaf I don't mind the fact that they didn't pick May. Heck, Turiaf could end up being the Laker's Ben Wallace.

                              What really gets me is the third pick when Ukic was still on the board. Some people had said the Lakers might pick Ukic with the first pick.

                              I don't even think Wafer will make the team.
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