That's where Jason Richardson comes in. He's not close to the top guards.
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While I agree that good players on bad teams tend to get overlooked, there's also the fact that on a bad team, someone has to get the stats.Originally posted by Pointguard
That's where Jason Richardson comes in. He's not close to the top guards. -
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Brand has been doing this since his freshman year at Duke. I'm not surprised he is still doing it now. Just glad that he finally is playing on a team that has a winning record.President of the Devils Den
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Originally posted by SarahWell, they almost have the same stats back when Rahim was playing in VAN and ATL
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there is more to becoming a good player than personnal stats.
Brand is better than Abdur-Rahim in every single phase of the game. And blaming him for the Clips not winning is like blaming him for pigs not flying. Clippers management did everything possible to ensure that the Clippers had no chance at winning.Comment
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Team success should be considered in MVP voting but not all star voting. It's good that it's like that in the NBA,I hated when ARod won MVP in Texas when the team was I think dead last in all of baseball. All star is an individual thing so that's the differance. Maggette & Cassell are contributing just as much as Brand.Comment
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Umm, sure. Whatever get's through the night.Originally posted by billmatic
Brand is better than Abdur-Rahim in every single phase of the game. And blaming him for the Clips not winning is like blaming him for pigs not flying. Clippers management did everything possible to ensure that the Clippers had no chance at winning.
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My point wasn't that J-Rich was a top guard or his stats wer inflated on a bad team (though this season in GS, J-Rich is putting up identical numbers on what looks like a playoff team so that argument prob doesn't work in this case) but my point was that J-Rich's stats were just as good as another wing WC player.Originally posted by Admiral50While I agree that good players on bad teams tend to get overlooked, there's also the fact that on a bad team, someone has to get the stats.
That's where Jason Richardson comes in. He's not close to the top guards.
A player on a winning team aways (and rightfully so) gets the advantage in that case. Heck, Manu Ginobli was a 15-4-4 guy and he made it before Richardson.
The difference between Brand and SAR is that Brand is one of the best post defenders in the league while SAR is very weak.What is wrong with Rahim when he was in VAN and ATL?Comment
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I agree that in terms of blocks and rebound, Brand has the advantage. But SAR also has the advantage in terms of steals and assist. While Brand has a higher percentage rate, SAR also has the advantage in 3 point percentage.Originally posted by Pointguard
The difference between Brand and SAR is that Brand is one of the best post defenders in the league while SAR is very weak.
Overall though, I can't think of a better player to compare Brand with. He is a star player, but he is not in the league of the superstars yet. But that is how I see Brand though. Ben Wallace is a star player, but for some reason I can't compare Brand to him. It's probably because Wallace is a more experience player than Brand. But nevertheless, comparing Brand to SAR is my opinion and not necessarily to be taken seriously.
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How does SAR have an advantage in assists? Besides this year (and SAC's offense makes every big man's APG numbers jump) Brand and SAR are on equal, ground.Originally posted by SarahI agree that in terms of blocks and rebound, Brand has the advantage. But SAR also has the advantage in terms of steals and assist. While Brand has a higher percentage rate, SAR also has the advantage in 3 point percentage.
Overall though, I can't think of a better player to compare Brand with. He is a star player, but he is not in the league of the superstars yet. But that is how I see Brand though. Ben Wallace is a star player, but for some reason I can't compare Brand to him. It's probably because Wallace is a more experience player than Brand. But nevertheless, comparing Brand to SAR is my opinion and not necessarily to be taken seriously.
And I dont know what 3-Point% has to do with defense, but Brand's FG% is better than SAR's so.....
Defensively, Brand is a better rebounder, shot blocker and man2man defender. He is significantly better in all other categories. The one advantage SAR does have is steals where SAR has a whooping 0.2 more in his career.
Offensively, both players are very equal and I can see a comparison on that end of the floor, but overall, I cant think of many teams that would choose SAR over Brand. And that's not even considering Brand is 3 years younger.Comment
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It will not be fair to look at SAR's overall career now seeing as he has decline tremendously in the past 3 or 4 years or something. I am just looking at his stronger years when he was in ATL and VAN as a comparison to Brand. If you look at his 3 pt%, I beleive he has an average of about 35% during his stronger years while Brand is ZERO. Eventhough Brand has a better FG%, SAR's stats says that he can play in and outside the lane while Brand is a low post player. Low post player tend to have a higher percentage since they are not that far from the ring. Eventhough Brand is a true PF while SAR is between a PF and SF, both players did not possess an overwhelming intensity to win. Thier stats are good, but they did not brought in impact and intensity to actually improve the team with thier presence. In fact as good as Brand is, LAC would have no problem demoting him to a role player in favor of Kobe, if he did sign a contract in LAC.Originally posted by PointguardHow does SAR have an advantage in assists? Besides this year (and SAC's offense makes every big man's APG numbers jump) Brand and SAR are on equal, ground.
And I dont know what 3-Point% has to do with defense, but Brand's FG% is better than SAR's so.....
Defensively, Brand is a better rebounder, shot blocker and man2man defender. He is significantly better in all other categories. The one advantage SAR does have is steals where SAR has a whooping 0.2 more in his career.
Offensively, both players are very equal and I can see a comparison on that end of the floor, but overall, I cant think of many teams that would choose SAR over Brand. And that's not even considering Brand is 3 years younger.Comment
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Brand has taken 9 3pt shots in his entire carrer,including a season with 0 and 2 seasons with just 1,SAR has taken 481.
Brand = Player of the month. http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/brand_pom_051201.htmlComment

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