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  • Admiral50
    Banned
    • Aug 2002
    • 3311

    #16
    Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

    Originally posted by Pointguard
    Excellent Point. This is why Brand hsn't been an all-star honestly. Jason Richardson was 23 PPG, 6 RPG, and 3 APG last year and he didn't make the team because his team was one of the worst in the NBA. Yet Rashard Lewis put up lesser numbers and made it because SEA had a better record.
    While I agree that good players on bad teams tend to get overlooked, there's also the fact that on a bad team, someone has to get the stats.
    That's where Jason Richardson comes in. He's not close to the top guards.

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    • X*Cell
      Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
      • Sep 2002
      • 8107

      #17
      Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

      Defensively he's a wizard too...

      Exactly 2 Blocks per game in his career... 0.93 Steals per game too... also... a 15.3 Rebound Rate.
      SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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      • ChicagoNVA
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 1635

        #18
        Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

        Chicago Bulls trade Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler

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        • Gilateen
          Banned
          • Oct 2002
          • 2855

          #19
          Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

          Sometimes Brand is overlooked cuz how he goes about his bizniz. He is steady but has no flash or flare to his game.

          He looks like he isnt tryin hard but he is bustin his *** in the trenches.

          No MVP though.

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          • PdiddyPop
            K*ngs *f th* D*nc*!
            • Dec 2002
            • 21768

            #20
            Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

            Brand has been doing this since his freshman year at Duke. I'm not surprised he is still doing it now. Just glad that he finally is playing on a team that has a winning record.
            President of the Devils Den
            (2009 Pre-Season NIT Champs/2010 ACC Co Reg Season/ACC Tournament/South Regional Champs/National Champs)

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            • billmatic
              Treble Complete
              • Nov 2004
              • 7365

              #21
              Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

              Originally posted by Sarah
              Well, they almost have the same stats back when Rahim was playing in VAN and ATL

              ...

              there is more to becoming a good player than personnal stats.


              Brand is better than Abdur-Rahim in every single phase of the game. And blaming him for the Clips not winning is like blaming him for pigs not flying. Clippers management did everything possible to ensure that the Clippers had no chance at winning.

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              • goh
                Banned
                • Aug 2003
                • 20755

                #22
                Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                Team success should be considered in MVP voting but not all star voting. It's good that it's like that in the NBA,I hated when ARod won MVP in Texas when the team was I think dead last in all of baseball. All star is an individual thing so that's the differance. Maggette & Cassell are contributing just as much as Brand.

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                • Sarah
                  MVP
                  • May 2003
                  • 2609

                  #23
                  Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                  Originally posted by billmatic


                  Brand is better than Abdur-Rahim in every single phase of the game. And blaming him for the Clips not winning is like blaming him for pigs not flying. Clippers management did everything possible to ensure that the Clippers had no chance at winning.
                  Umm, sure. Whatever get's through the night.

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                  • Pointguard
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 2977

                    #24
                    Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                    Originally posted by Admiral50
                    While I agree that good players on bad teams tend to get overlooked, there's also the fact that on a bad team, someone has to get the stats.
                    That's where Jason Richardson comes in. He's not close to the top guards.
                    My point wasn't that J-Rich was a top guard or his stats wer inflated on a bad team (though this season in GS, J-Rich is putting up identical numbers on what looks like a playoff team so that argument prob doesn't work in this case) but my point was that J-Rich's stats were just as good as another wing WC player.

                    A player on a winning team aways (and rightfully so) gets the advantage in that case. Heck, Manu Ginobli was a 15-4-4 guy and he made it before Richardson.

                    What is wrong with Rahim when he was in VAN and ATL?
                    The difference between Brand and SAR is that Brand is one of the best post defenders in the league while SAR is very weak.

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                    • Sarah
                      MVP
                      • May 2003
                      • 2609

                      #25
                      Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                      Originally posted by Pointguard

                      The difference between Brand and SAR is that Brand is one of the best post defenders in the league while SAR is very weak.
                      I agree that in terms of blocks and rebound, Brand has the advantage. But SAR also has the advantage in terms of steals and assist. While Brand has a higher percentage rate, SAR also has the advantage in 3 point percentage.

                      Overall though, I can't think of a better player to compare Brand with. He is a star player, but he is not in the league of the superstars yet. But that is how I see Brand though. Ben Wallace is a star player, but for some reason I can't compare Brand to him. It's probably because Wallace is a more experience player than Brand. But nevertheless, comparing Brand to SAR is my opinion and not necessarily to be taken seriously.

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                      • Pointguard
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 2977

                        #26
                        Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                        Originally posted by Sarah
                        I agree that in terms of blocks and rebound, Brand has the advantage. But SAR also has the advantage in terms of steals and assist. While Brand has a higher percentage rate, SAR also has the advantage in 3 point percentage.

                        Overall though, I can't think of a better player to compare Brand with. He is a star player, but he is not in the league of the superstars yet. But that is how I see Brand though. Ben Wallace is a star player, but for some reason I can't compare Brand to him. It's probably because Wallace is a more experience player than Brand. But nevertheless, comparing Brand to SAR is my opinion and not necessarily to be taken seriously.
                        How does SAR have an advantage in assists? Besides this year (and SAC's offense makes every big man's APG numbers jump) Brand and SAR are on equal, ground.

                        And I dont know what 3-Point% has to do with defense, but Brand's FG% is better than SAR's so.....

                        Defensively, Brand is a better rebounder, shot blocker and man2man defender. He is significantly better in all other categories. The one advantage SAR does have is steals where SAR has a whooping 0.2 more in his career.

                        Offensively, both players are very equal and I can see a comparison on that end of the floor, but overall, I cant think of many teams that would choose SAR over Brand. And that's not even considering Brand is 3 years younger.

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                        • cjonesfan921
                          UGH, next year
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 20081

                          #27
                          Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                          He continues to play well. 33 points, 13 reb, 3 blks tonigh for Brand.

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                          • Sarah
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 2609

                            #28
                            Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                            Originally posted by Pointguard
                            How does SAR have an advantage in assists? Besides this year (and SAC's offense makes every big man's APG numbers jump) Brand and SAR are on equal, ground.

                            And I dont know what 3-Point% has to do with defense, but Brand's FG% is better than SAR's so.....

                            Defensively, Brand is a better rebounder, shot blocker and man2man defender. He is significantly better in all other categories. The one advantage SAR does have is steals where SAR has a whooping 0.2 more in his career.

                            Offensively, both players are very equal and I can see a comparison on that end of the floor, but overall, I cant think of many teams that would choose SAR over Brand. And that's not even considering Brand is 3 years younger.
                            It will not be fair to look at SAR's overall career now seeing as he has decline tremendously in the past 3 or 4 years or something. I am just looking at his stronger years when he was in ATL and VAN as a comparison to Brand. If you look at his 3 pt%, I beleive he has an average of about 35% during his stronger years while Brand is ZERO. Eventhough Brand has a better FG%, SAR's stats says that he can play in and outside the lane while Brand is a low post player. Low post player tend to have a higher percentage since they are not that far from the ring. Eventhough Brand is a true PF while SAR is between a PF and SF, both players did not possess an overwhelming intensity to win. Thier stats are good, but they did not brought in impact and intensity to actually improve the team with thier presence. In fact as good as Brand is, LAC would have no problem demoting him to a role player in favor of Kobe, if he did sign a contract in LAC.

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                            • goh
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 20755

                              #29
                              Re: Elton Brand = MVP?

                              Brand has taken 9 3pt shots in his entire carrer,including a season with 0 and 2 seasons with just 1,SAR has taken 481.

                              Brand = Player of the month. http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/brand_pom_051201.html

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