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  • jensenst
    Rookie
    • Jul 2003
    • 223

    #1

    isaiah thomas = worst GM

    in the history of the nba.

    i'm a rockets fan/ nba fan and it's a sad thing to see the knicks in the shape they are in because of zeke.
  • larrygiterdone
    MVP
    • Jul 2005
    • 3037

    #2
    Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

    Originally posted by jensenst
    in the history of the nba.

    i'm a rockets fan/ nba fan and it's a sad thing to see the knicks in the shape they are in because of zeke.

    i still have no idea why people thought that just because a guy played the game at a high level meant he would be able to evaluate talent..........

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

      Originally posted by larrygiterdone
      i still have no idea why people thought that just because a guy played the game at a high level meant he would be able to evaluate talent..........
      Actually he's pretty good at evaluating talent. This is the guy that drafted Tracy McGrady for crying out loud! He's pretty good at drafting players but it's the other duties of a GM that he sucks at. So for all of the faults he has, talent evaluation isn't really one of them (at least from a draft perspective)
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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #4
        Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

        This team was a mess before zeke came. He just kept the instability going

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        • HMcCoy
          All Star
          • Jan 2003
          • 8212

          #5
          Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

          Originally posted by SPTO
          Actually he's pretty good at evaluating talent. This is the guy that drafted Tracy McGrady for crying out loud! He's pretty good at drafting players but it's the other duties of a GM that he sucks at. So for all of the faults he has, talent evaluation isn't really one of them (at least from a draft perspective)
          He can evaluate potential, but not talent, IMO. He's drafted extremely well, and he was able to spot JO's potential when he was buried in Portland, but his FA evaluation is just attrocious.

          He seems to think he can get problem kids and underacheivers to suddenly become top performers, so he's willing to spend ridiculous money on castoffs and misfits. I guess he thinks that guys with bloated contracts must have had good value at some point in the past, and that he can get them to reach that level of value. LOL...its not workin' bruh.

          With the leagues highest payroll and arguably it's best coach...the brunt of this pathetic season sits squarely on his shoulders.
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          • shugknight
            MVP
            • Oct 2004
            • 4585

            #6
            Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

            Why is it that everytime somebody tries to put down Isiah Thomas, somebody else comes in and says "well at least he drafted Tracy Mcgrady"

            I just looked back at the 1997 draft class. Only 3 players are even worth mentioning. Tim Duncan, Chauncy Billups, and T-Mac are the only noticeable names. What if Philly drafted Tracy Mcgrady, instead of Tim Thomas? Then most likely Toronto would have had to draft Tim Thomas, and Zeke would have been revealed as the worst GM.

            However, that didnt happen. I do remember Thomas being praised as a young developing player, but if you notice, I really think Zeke only picked up T-mac because he was the next best available prospect and not because he really thought he would become the player that he is now.

            After T-Mac was drafted, who else would you have thought about drafting? Nobody. Half these players arent even in the league anymore. IMO, at draft day, Zeke thought to himself that T-Mac was a high schooler, and would have the biggest upside in the draft. He was young, and after seeing KG, why wouldnt you draft a High Schooler. Anyways I really suspect that T-Mac was only drafted because he was the best available prospect. I'm pretty sure Zeke was oblivious to what T-Mac was capable of doing. I mean, if he really thought T-Mac would have exploded the way he did, why didnt he ask for T-Mac when he coached the Pacers?

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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #7
              Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

              Originally posted by HMcCoy
              He can evaluate potential, but not talent, IMO. He's drafted extremely well, and he was able to spot JO's potential when he was buried in Portland, but his FA evaluation is just attrocious.

              He seems to think he can get problem kids and underacheivers to suddenly become top performers, so he's willing to spend ridiculous money on castoffs and misfits. I guess he thinks that guys with bloated contracts must have had good value at some point in the past, and that he can get them to reach that level of value. LOL...its not workin' bruh.

              With the leagues highest payroll and arguably it's best coach...the brunt of this pathetic season sits squarely on his shoulders.
              He wasn't this bad with the trading and stuff in Toronto and Indy so i'm thinking that maybe he's feeling the pressure of the NY job. I can agree with you that potential may have been the better word to use.
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              • NY4Life
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 1316

                #8
                Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                To be absolutly fair, Isiah came into the GM job w/ lemons and tried to make lemonade. Unfortunatly, his mixture of players, besides the draft picks (potentially), have been busts. I did not think Q-Rich would be this bad. Jerome James? I mean they needed a center, but this guy got way too much money. Jamal C., not a terrible deal, but hasn't made us better. Giving up an unprotected draft pick for Curry, that is almost unforgivable. He should have at least protected it through the top 3. In any case, The knicks were going to be over the cap anyway. In that situation, you can only play the trade market to make your team better. Whether the knicks are at $75 million or $120, they cannot sign marquee free agents. In my opinion, Isiah has been Ok, but not yet worthy to be fired. He's got one more year, in my opinion...

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                • Kashanova
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 12695

                  #9
                  Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                  compared to layden's team i never thought the knicks would be like this, not so old and athletic, cause layden's team had houston and eisley for a starting backcourt like he's doing an ok job compared to what layden did

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                  • ShaKobe
                    G* L*k* Sh*w!!!
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 2964

                    #10
                    Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                    Originally posted by NY4Life
                    To be absolutly fair, Isiah came into the GM job w/ lemons and tried to make lemonade. Unfortunatly, his mixture of players, besides the draft picks (potentially), have been busts. I did not think Q-Rich would be this bad. Jerome James? I mean they needed a center, but this guy got way too much money. Jamal C., not a terrible deal, but hasn't made us better. Giving up an unprotected draft pick for Curry, that is almost unforgivable. He should have at least protected it through the top 3. In any case, The knicks were going to be over the cap anyway. In that situation, you can only play the trade market to make your team better. Whether the knicks are at $75 million or $120, they cannot sign marquee free agents. In my opinion, Isiah has been Ok, but not yet worthy to be fired. He's got one more year, in my opinion...
                    Probably not yet. But the difference between $75 mil and $120 mil isn't just $45 mil, it would be $90 million dollars if you count the luxury tax that the team would have to pay. To me, that's a huge amount to pay so that your team is in last, or close to last, place in the league.

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                    • umd
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 1970

                      #11
                      Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                      Originally posted by Kashanova
                      compared to layden's team i never thought the knicks would be like this, not so old and athletic, cause layden's team had houston and eisley for a starting backcourt like he's doing an ok job compared to what layden did
                      Theyre both terrible. Everything with this roster now is Zeke's. He took Layden's mess and made it worse crippling the franchise even longer. Unless he figures a way to get all thse monster garbage contracts off the books he's screwed.

                      If he trades away any of the young pieces he deserves to get the boot. You're not gonna win now with this roster. He needs to gut it for young players w/ potential and picks.

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                      • NYJets
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 18637

                        #12
                        Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                        Originally posted by ShaKobe
                        Probably not yet. But the difference between $75 mil and $120 mil isn't just $45 mil, it would be $90 million dollars if you count the luxury tax that the team would have to pay. To me, that's a huge amount to pay so that your team is in last, or close to last, place in the league.

                        For the Knicks though, that doesn't really matter. Dolan doesn't seem to be ready to stop spending.
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                        • Gilateen
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 2855

                          #13
                          Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                          Isiah did a good job but its not his fault guys arent performing. The only mistake I see is keeping Marbury and Crawford. If the PG is shooting too much or not gettin everyone involved the whole team gets down and the BS starts there.

                          Knicks have all scorers and no defense. Hiring LB wasnt a great move either, he doesnt motivate players, he downs them. Yeah Pistons won a championship but they motivated themselves. LB loves defenders and he has none, so he rips the team on the DL.

                          Isiah cant take the whole rap for this being a bad team, you have to put some of the blame back on the players and coach.

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                          • mrprice33
                            Just some guy
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 5986

                            #14
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                            • Kashanova
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 12695

                              #15
                              Re: isaiah thomas = worst GM

                              Originally posted by umd
                              Theyre both terrible. Everything with this roster now is Zeke's. He took Layden's mess and made it worse crippling the franchise even longer. Unless he figures a way to get all thse monster garbage contracts off the books he's screwed.

                              If he trades away any of the young pieces he deserves to get the boot. You're not gonna win now with this roster. He needs to gut it for young players w/ potential and picks.
                              WORST?!?!?

                              How is having curry over othella harington worst?
                              How is having marbury or howard eisley from who i know isn't even on a starting team worst? the team layden had was old, and non athlletic

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