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  • Pointguard
    MVP
    • Jun 2005
    • 2977

    #16
    Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

    Originally posted by Court_vision
    He's a superior rebounder. Actually, for a SF, he's a great boarder. Unfortunately ATM he has to play a lot of PF with Amare out.
    Does anyone else not see this as a positive.

    The fact is he cant create his own shot,s o playing out of position, sorta like Boris Diaw, allows him to outquick his defender, moving without the ball, going for o-rebounds and espically in the PnR.

    He's a good player. I dont know why he's average in the playoffs, but he is.




    For being an 20+ PPG All-Star, he's gotta be the worse player EVER at creating his own shot. Goodness

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    • poopoop
      MVP
      • Sep 2003
      • 1081

      #17
      Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

      Originally posted by Pointguard
      For being an 20+ PPG All-Star, he's gotta be the worse player EVER at creating his own shot. Goodness
      Have you seen the way he shoots? It's hard to create something that ugly.

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      • SoMiss2000
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 20499

        #18
        Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

        By the same token, while Steve Nash is good, he is the same player he was in Dallas. The only difference between Nash in Dallas and Nash in Phoenix is he has guys that can finish now, i.e. Marion and Stoudamire. He did not have that in Dallas. Here, he had too many guys that wanted to start around the three point line.
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        • Pointguard
          MVP
          • Jun 2005
          • 2977

          #19
          Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

          ^Its was more-so Dallas had guys that needed the ball in their hands and were best at that. In Phoniex, Nash has guys that are better at spot up shooting and running the floor than going 1v1.

          In Dallas there was Nick Van Exel, Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Juwan Howard and so on. Donn Nelson wanted to go with mismatches and creating them and then giving it to the guy who had the mismatch and let him work.

          Instead, DAntonio allows Nash to create the mismatch and do all the work for his teammates. In a way, PHX's system allows Nash to shine. Dallas' didnt.

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          • poster
            All Star
            • Nov 2003
            • 7506

            #20
            Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

            Originally posted by Tha_Kid
            Like D'antoni said in the article after game 2, Marion is a product of the system, if the suns don't run, they dont get vintage matrix..
            Then why rely on this style to win a title? In the playoffs if you play a real contender they will not let you run. So whats the use of playing this way. Isn't a title the goal? It's a sad admission by D'Antoni. They need to change their philosopy if they are to ever win anything. Not talking to you Tha Kid, just talking to Mike D

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            • sense
              Pro
              • Dec 2002
              • 591

              #21
              Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

              Originally posted by GoldenstWarrior
              MVP canidate??? puhhhlease

              All shawn marion is is an Athlete who flourishes off the nice passing by steve nash..he has a spotty jumper and his defense is being even more exposed in the playoffs right now.

              thoughts..

              (and btw im not flaming him i just find it funny how people get exposed in playoffs.)
              I'm so glad you started this thread. I've always thought he was overated. I mean i still think he's good but I see him as an excellent role player with superior athletisism thats it.
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              • Tha_Kid
                All Star
                • Oct 2002
                • 6550

                #22
                Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                Originally posted by poster
                Then why rely on this style to win a title? In the playoffs if you play a real contender they will not let you run. So whats the use of playing this way. Isn't a title the goal? It's a sad admission by D'Antoni. They need to change their philosopy if they are to ever win anything. Not talking to you Tha Kid, just talking to Mike D
                No Idea. Marion was an allstar before D'antoni in 03, but the the 20/12 Marion is a product of the system. Classic case of skipping over respect and going straight from underrated to overrated...

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                • poster
                  All Star
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 7506

                  #23
                  Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                  Originally posted by Tha_Kid
                  No Idea. Marion was an allstar before D'antoni in 03, but the the 20/12 Marion is a product of the system. Classic case of skipping over respect and going straight from underrated to overrated...
                  Are you saying I have no idea? I never said Marion was overated. The system PHX runs is and my point is that they will never win a title that way so what is the use. Get the idea yet?

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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #24
                    Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                    Funny how no one was saying anything about their "style" when they almost beat the Spurs to go to the Finals ,with Amare...
                    @ me or dap me

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                    • Air23
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 2502

                      #25
                      Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                      When did they almost beat the Spurs to go to the Finals?

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                      • Vince
                        Bow for Bau
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26017

                        #26
                        Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                        Originally posted by Air23
                        When did they almost beat the Spurs to go to the Finals?
                        Dude, do you actually watch today's basketball???

                        @ me or dap me

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                        • Tha_Kid
                          All Star
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 6550

                          #27
                          Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                          Originally posted by poster
                          Are you saying I have no idea? I never said Marion was overated. The system PHX runs is and my point is that they will never win a title that way so what is the use. Get the idea yet?

                          Originally posted by poster
                          Then why rely on this style to win a title? In the playoffs if you play a real contender they will not let you run. So whats the use of playing this way. Isn't a title the goal? It's a sad admission by D'Antoni. They need to change their philosopy if they are to ever win anything. Not talking to you Tha Kid, just talking to Mike D
                          Originally posted by Tha_Kid
                          No Idea. Marion was an allstar before D'antoni in 03, but the the 20/12 Marion is a product of the system. Classic case of skipping over respect and going straight from underrated to overrated...
                          why is everything on OS taken to be confrontational. You even made sure to point out in your first post that you werent directing comments at me. Theres no need for that outlook. You asked a question and i commented that while marion was an underrated allstar before d'antoni, the player he has become in the system is overrated. Just like Q Rich, in LA he was a pretty even player, a slasher even, then he goes to PHX and they win games and now his rep is a shot jacker... straight from underrated to overrated.

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                          • Raymond
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 362

                            #28
                            Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                            This is not breaking news. You must not really watch basketball if you need the playoffs to show you the limitations of someone's game. Marion lives off being an athlete. He does have any bread and butter moves. No jumper, no 3 unless he's open, can not take anyone to the whole and is a grown *** man in the nba shooting two handed jumpers.
                            Originally posted by Sully
                            As for this thread, it's ridiculous. If anyone knows the posting history of our buddy Raymond, then they'd know not to take this thread seriously. He loves to make outrageous statements, without much substance, then sit back and watch everyone flame each other.

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                            • GSW
                              Simnation
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 8041

                              #29
                              Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                              Originally posted by Raymond
                              This is not breaking news. You must not really watch basketball if you need the playoffs to show you the limitations of someone's game. Marion lives off being an athlete. He does have any bread and butter moves. No jumper, no 3 unless he's open, can not take anyone to the whole and is a grown *** man in the nba shooting two handed jumpers.

                              i already knew... but without visual "proof" (this years playoffs) i would have been called a *****...
                              you really must be new to the NBA forums here.
                              #Simnation

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                              • poster
                                All Star
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 7506

                                #30
                                Re: Shawn Marion is being exposed...

                                Originally posted by Tha_Kid
                                why is everything on OS taken to be confrontational. You even made sure to point out in your first post that you werent directing comments at me. Theres no need for that outlook. You asked a question and i commented that while marion was an underrated allstar before d'antoni, the player he has become in the system is overrated. Just like Q Rich, in LA he was a pretty even player, a slasher even, then he goes to PHX and they win games and now his rep is a shot jacker... straight from underrated to overrated.
                                Wasn't being confrontational at all. You said I had no idea and I told you I never said he was overrated. I dont like their system. I think Marion can play in any system. He is athletic and can rebound and is a matchup problem. I said I wasn't talking to you in the original post, because I was voicing my opinion of the offense and the fact that his coach came out and said his star player is useless because they can't run. Why would you say that?

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