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  • Court_vision
    Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 8290

    #1

    Pistons imploding...

    Essentially blaming the coach for what's going on...

    Right or wrong, now is NOT the time to be doing it...

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    Ben Wallace, the NBA's defensive player of the year, can't stomach being on a team that allows the opposition to shoot nearly 60 percent in two of the last three games. In fact, he said he can barely recognize the defense his team is playing in this series.

    "It's like night and day (from last year)," he said. "We've gone from like the first- or second-best team in the league in holding teams to low field-goal percentage to now we're in the middle of the pack. It's night and day."
    He put some of the blame on coach Flip Saunders for putting too much emphasis on the offense.

    "We work more on offense," Wallace said. "We practice more on the offensive end, than we do on the defensive end. What you practice hard you usually bring to the game."

    To be fair, the Pistons locked the Heat down for all but 1:46 of Game 2 and set playoff records in holding the Cavaliers to 61 points in Game 7. The defense has been inconsistent, yes, but not altogether horrible.

    "It doesn't matter how I feel," Wallace said. "No one player is bigger than the team. I don't think we're that far off. Some nights, we come out and show it. Some other nights, we come out and go through the motions. We're not that far off. We just need everybody to get involved defensively and commit ourselves to getting it done on both ends of the floor."

    Players decry Hack-a-Shaq
    The Pistons have long criticized coaches and teams who deployed an intentional fouling strategy on Ben Wallace . Thus, they were taken aback when Flip Saunders used it against Shaquille O'Neal in Game 3.

    "Yeah, it is (disturbing)," Rasheed Wallace said. "It never worked when I was in Portland and it didn't work now. To me, if I was a coach, I don't like it. That's just my opinion."

    It was the consensus opinion among the players, as well. Saunders, though, stuck by the move.
  • daprodigy247
    Banned
    • May 2006
    • 267

    #2
    Re: Pistons imploding...

    IMO/this is what DET needs to step up and realise how they are playing. I glad ben being the bigger and more popular player steped up and said something. IMO this is something the coach should have did. To bad the series is already over and pistons don't really have a chance at winning

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    • DirrtySouth78
      Pro
      • Dec 2005
      • 588

      #3
      Re: Pistons imploding...

      Please post on topic and not towards other posters
      -kdre
      Last edited by 23; 05-31-2006, 11:51 AM.

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      • Jebby

        #4
        Re: Pistons imploding...

        Originally posted by daprodigy247
        To bad the series is already over and pistons don't really have a chance at winning
        Stop jumping the gun. You have to beat them 4 times NOT 3. Phoenix proved against the Lakers that a 3-1 deficit isn't impossible.

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        • Leahmic223
          MVP
          • Jul 2004
          • 2148

          #5
          Re: Pistons imploding...

          Originally posted by Jebby
          Stop jumping the gun. You have to beat them 4 times NOT 3. Phoenix proved against the Lakers that a 3-1 deficit isn't impossible.
          Yeah I have been hearing this at other boards, all this throwing around stuff.

          Oh Riley has never lost when leading 3-1
          Or only (insert number here) has come back in the conference finals when down 3-1.

          I can tell you one thing, the Pistons are not thinking about silly records like that.

          But I tell people the same thing, it is best of 7 not best of 5. I think the Suns proved it and the Spurs got close to doing it this year. I still think Pistons are winning this year. Just my opinion though.

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          • Court_vision
            Banned
            • Oct 2002
            • 8290

            #6
            Re: Pistons imploding...

            Originally posted by Leahmic223
            I still think Pistons are winning this year. Just my opinion though.
            Strong call and I hope you are right.

            Massive game today. My gut instinct is Miami will survive a close one and win the series 4-1.

            If...if...the Pistons can bounce back enough and get one...they could fight all the way back and get it in 7.

            They just need their 'swagger' back...

            That could come back in one single play...a Ben Block or a Billups 3 ball...a Prince stop on Wade. Something.

            Whatever, they NEED it back...

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            • cjonesfan921
              UGH, next year
              • Jan 2005
              • 20081

              #7
              Re: Pistons imploding...

              I think Detroit needs to come out and lay the hammer down. If they win tonight they are winning the series IMO.

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              • Psyblast
                2023 National Champions
                • Jun 2003
                • 42582

                #8
                Re: Pistons imploding...

                All these things were known before Game 4...and look at how they played.

                The only real edge the Pistons have tonight is the fact that they're playing at home. Other than that, Miami has every advantage.

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                • luv_mist
                  Older
                  • May 2004
                  • 9596

                  #9
                  Re: Pistons imploding...

                  Not trying to sound sour but this is exactly what this team deserves. No offense to the fanboys and respecters of the Pistons but when they had the best record, when they had 4 allstars playing in the allstar game, when people were comparing them to the great teams that won championships and all those other great things, the Pistons weren't blaming anyone but their skill. They weren't complaining to Flip about their defense. They were walking on the courts day in and day out thinking they were going to fly through the season. Hey, say what you want but their cocky attitude got them to where they are. The constant "we're the underdogs" mindset was tired. Aren't they one of the higher ranked offensive teams too? It's like they don't have the sense to remember some of the defense they practiced.

                  I also give props to both Cleveland and Miami for coming in and playing the games as if they wanted to win. Miami impressed me a lot because of how well they come together after the Bulls battle. Makes me wonder if Detroit was better than the Bulls if they're such a freaking great team. Detroit just doesn't have respect for anyone else. They have been complaining time and time again about having the best record but not having the coverage like other teams. Or things of that nature. I hope they bomb out tonight. Would make me sleep a whole lot better. Messed up too cause it was suppose to be their year. Who's the captain of the team?

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                  • Psyblast
                    2023 National Champions
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 42582

                    #10
                    Re: Pistons imploding...

                    Originally posted by luv_mist
                    Not trying to sound sour but this is exactly what this team deserves. No offense to the fanboys and respecters of the Pistons but when they had the best record, when they had 4 allstars playing in the allstar game, when people were comparing them to the great teams that won championships and all those other great things, the Pistons weren't blaming anyone but their skill. They weren't complaining to Flip about their defense. They were walking on the courts day in and day out thinking they were going to fly through the season. Hey, say what you want but their cocky attitude got them to where they are. The constant "we're the underdogs" mindset was tired. Aren't they one of the higher ranked offensive teams too? It's like they don't have the sense to remember some of the defense they practiced.

                    I also give props to both Cleveland and Miami for coming in and playing the games as if they wanted to win. Miami impressed me a lot because of how well they come together after the Bulls battle. Makes me wonder if Detroit was better than the Bulls if they're such a freaking great team. Detroit just doesn't have respect for anyone else. They have been complaining time and time again about having the best record but not having the coverage like other teams. Or things of that nature. I hope they bomb out tonight. Would make me sleep a whole lot better. Messed up too cause it was suppose to be their year. Who's the captain of the team?





                    Excellent post for someone "not trying to sound sour".

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                    • luv_mist
                      Older
                      • May 2004
                      • 9596

                      #11
                      Re: Pistons imploding...

                      Can't help it but when there are so many other factors contributing to the teams demise, blaming the "easiest" scapegoat just doesn't sit well with me. When everything was going smooth, they weren't complaining. I'm sure that defense crossed their minds at one point or another. It's just messed up that they're blaming it on their coach when it's more than that.

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                      • 23
                        yellow
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #12
                        Re: Pistons imploding...

                        Its not just all Flip, but he doesnt have a handle on those guys, or at least up until this point. Anything less than LB's type attitude probably wont do for this team. Thats just not Flips approach, but his rotations have always been shaky. Remember some bench players have issues as well, but thats not a problem we havent seen before on teams.

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                        • Streets
                          Supreme
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5787

                          #13
                          Re: Pistons imploding...

                          Originally posted by Psyblast
                          Excellent post for someone "not trying to sound sour".
                          Excellent post period.

                          I co-sign everything.

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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #14
                            Re: Pistons imploding...

                            Originally posted by Streets
                            Excellent post period.

                            I co-sign everything.

                            You're just happy they're losing

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                            • HMcCoy
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8212

                              #15
                              Re: Pistons imploding...

                              Principles > Schemes.

                              The Pistons were built for of gritty, grinding, stifling defensive principles. Even when the rotations don't work, or the scheme needed adjustment, the overall lockdown principles guided them through. They no longer play by that principle...they've regressed to playing just above average defense, and now depend on Flips supposedly brilliant offensive schemes. Problem is that schemes can be countered and adjusted against, especially in a series.

                              The Suns aren't just about one play, scheme or player, but a relentless, high-pressure offensive principle that rarely breaks down, no matter who's hot. The Pistons just aren't built that way. The schemes aren't working, and the defense is no longer consistent enough to bail them out. If the Pistons can get back to the principle and style that got them where they are(like the 2nd half of Clevelands game 7) ...they can still win this series. I don't know if Flip can get that out of them.
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