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  • Court_vision
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    • Oct 2002
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    KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

    Rosen is always controversial and I often disagree with him personally...

    However, he does back up his comments with some good analysis.

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    It's not that I don't like Garnett per se. I think he's a very talented player and a nice guy who always gives his all. What does bug me, however, is the fact that too many fans and media observers celebrate him as one of the all-time greats. (Perhaps he does as well.) This view, I believe, is wrong.

    While Garnett has many talents which you have already listed, there are certain things he cannot do — like putting so much pressure on a defense that they're forced to foul him. (For his career, he's averaged just over five free throws per game.) This doesn't happen because KG is primarily a jump shooter, and a turnaround, fadeaway jump shooter at that.

    He also can't take over the stretch run in playoff games, putting his team on his back and doing whatever it takes to pull out the win. Garnett's playoff performances are most noteworthy for missed jumpers and missed free throws in the clutch.

    He also can't compel his teammates (and his team) to overachieve.

    Garnett's game depends too much on finesse for him to be a franchise player. He'd make a great Scottie Pippen to a Michael Jordan. Working with Steve Nash, Garnett would also be more productive than Shawn Marion. He'd also be a monster playing Lamar Odom to Kobe Bryant. And imagine how good he'd be playing in the afterglow of the Flash.

    The point is that instead of trying to find players capable of complimenting Garnett, it's KG who should be the second-banana to an authentic all-time great player.
    Unfortunately, Garnett will always be the focus of the T-Wolves game plan and roster manipulations. The only way that his understandable frustration might blossom into satisfaction would be if he's ever traded to a team that already has a franchise player.
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    • Sep 2002
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    Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

    In a sense, Rosen is a Phil Jackson fanboy in the worse way, and most people agree with him.

    However, I remember hearing someone say something about KG. How he'll give you 25/7/10 for a full season consistently.

    That is remarkable by basketball standards, but they went on to say that was his problem. When the playoffs come, he usually won't elevate his game to the point where it puts his team over the top. He'll still give you the 25/7/10.

    Again, remarkable, but essentially its not anything different in a case where more is warranted, and thus in the process, you get analysis just like Rosen's.

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    • BigTigLSU
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      • Sep 2002
      • 6506

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      Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

      I think the other day KG went for like 40 or so in a W against like a top Western team and I was shocked to see him score that much... not that he doesnt have the ability but because its not his game....

      I think look for him to have these monster nights in big games even though he has been carrying the team the whole time anyway. Its just not in his nature... He needs either a one or two players that can compliment his consistently great numbers with offensive explisions like what a Sam Cassell and Spree did for him

      You know what I have the perfect player.... Agent 0 aka Habachi aka Mr Quality Shot aka Gilbert Arenas.
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      • grunt
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        • Jul 2002
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        Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

        Yawn. It takes 5. I wonder if he had Shaq, Pippen, or a solid no.2 option on his team.

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        • Court_vision
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          • Oct 2002
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          Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

          Originally posted by grunt
          Yawn. It takes 5. I wonder if he had Shaq, Pippen, or a solid no.2 option on his team.

          He DID have a PG called Chauncey Billups there for a while... yet another mistake T-Wolves management made not keeping Billups. Just amazing how bad that teams management is.

          I do tend to agree with Rosen though. KG is like the ultimate "number 2" player. Even in their one great season, where KG won the MVP, it was Sam Cassell leading that team in crunch time.

          Like Dre said, KG's main problem is that he has always played at one great level and doesn't really "go beyond" that.

          He's the only player I've ever seen who is as intense in the first minute as he is the last.

          Yet he doesn't seem to have that Jordan, Kobe, Dream, Magic like ability to really dominate the last 5 minutes of a game.

          You never, ever, get to the last 5 mins of a huge game and think "this is KG time...watch the man dominate!".
          Last edited by Court_vision; 02-11-2007, 07:46 AM.

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          • Muzyk23
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            • Feb 2003
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            #6
            Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

            If The Philly-T'wolves trade had come through..
            NBA

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            • Rocky
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 6896

              #7
              Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

              Originally posted by Court_vision
              He DID have a PG called Chauncey Billups there for a while... yet another mistake T-Wolves management made not keeping Billups. Just amazing how bad that teams management is.

              I do tend to agree with Rosen though. KG is like the ultimate "number 2" player. Even in their one great season, where KG won the MVP, it was Sam Cassell leading that team in crunch time.

              Like Dre said, KG's main problem is that he has always played at one great level and doesn't really "go beyond" that.

              He's the only player I've ever seen who is as intense in the first minute as he is the last.

              Yet he doesn't seem to have that Jordan, Kobe, Dream, Magic like ability to really dominate the last 5 minutes of a game.

              You never, ever, get to the last 5 mins of a huge game and think "this is KG time...watch the man dominate!".

              I disagree with that. Many people forget that Sacramento series(the one where in game 7 he had something like 32 points and 21 boards) he was lights out. The problem is that KG has always made mediocre players look good. Besides Cassell and Billups(who was considered a bust before he got to Detroit) what teammate of his has ever done anything when they weren't on the T-Wolves. As a superstar, he has probaly had consistently the worst supporting cast in a very long time to add to very mediocre coaching.
              "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
              -Rocky Balboa

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              • BAMJ6
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                • May 2003
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                Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                This is a case of the TWolves management wasted a player of KG's talent. He only had championship caliber help 1 year and Flip was outcoached by the Lakers.

                As for Flip, he'll never get the Pistons a title. He's just not a good enough coach to win NBA titles

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                • TheMatrix31
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                  Obviously "*******" Rosen didn't see KG dominate the last five minutes of the Suns/T'Wolves game that snapped our 17 game winning streak.

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                  • mvb34
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 8138

                    #10
                    Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                    [quote=Court_vision;2934115]He DID have a PG called Chauncey Billups there for a while... yet another mistake T-Wolves management made not keeping Billups. Just amazing how bad that teams management is.

                    I do tend to agree with Rosen though. KG is like the ultimate "number 2" player. Even in their one great season, where KG won the MVP, it was Sam Cassell leading that team in crunch time.
                    quote]

                    Chauncey Billups was not that good of a player when he was in Minnesota!!

                    Tell me who was the man in crunch time in the playoffs when the Wolves went to West Final ? It was KG and not Cassell
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                    • DW Rutledge
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                      • Jan 2005
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                      Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                      the guy can't even get out of the FIRST ROUND unless he has cassell/spreewell.

                      hell he can't even get THE EIGHT SEED for the past few years...

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                      • mvb34
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                        • Jul 2002
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                        Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                        Originally posted by DW Rutledge
                        the guy can't even get out of the FIRST ROUND unless he has cassell/spreewell.

                        hell he can't even get THE EIGHT SEED for the past few years...

                        Yeah i'm sure the Great Tim Duncan could
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                        • DW Rutledge
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                          • Jan 2005
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                          Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                          haha "the Great Tim Duncan" doesn't HAVE to prove himself, he has three rings.

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                          • mvb34
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                            Originally posted by DW Rutledge
                            haha "the Great Tim Duncan" doesn't HAVE to prove himself, he has three rings.
                            Yeah you right!! he was at the rightplace at the right time
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                            • luv_mist
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                              • May 2004
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                              Re: KG "not a franchise player" : Charley Rosen

                              Originally posted by mvb34
                              Chauncey Billups was not that good of a player when he was in Minnesota!!

                              Tell me who was the man in crunch time in the playoffs when the Wolves went to West Final ? It was KG and not Cassell
                              It's like people don't realize that. Billups was just another player taking up a contract honestly. Most players who got dealt away weren't as great then as they were now. Still the players that have come through Minny didn't work with the program. The coach and the gm didn't match. Lot of coaches and gms don't flow on the same page. Believe that. KG needs a new scenery if he wants to make any stab at a championship. Hell, if Chicago could get him, we'll stop all that debate on him being a franchise player. If only we didn't have such a good "team chemistry" and stuff.......

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