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  • platic
    Rookie
    • Oct 2003
    • 199

    #1

    The Mavs are NOT a deep team

    There seems to be a myth going around that the Dallas Mavericks are sporting one of the league's deepest rosters. Well, I'm afraid that is just not true.

    Has anybody actually bothered to look at the collection of "talent" they have? They have one bonifide star in Dirk Nowitzki. Most elite teams have at least two, maybe even three. After Dirk, the Mavs have three very good complementary players --- Josh Howard, Jason Terry, and Jerry Stackhouse. Two of those guys were refugees/rejects from mediocre teams.

    So the Mavs are 4-players deep. One superstar, and three very good complementary players. No question about the talent of those guys. Who comes next?

    Devin Harris? The only Maverick who has spent most of his career inside Avery Johnson's dog house? The point guard who has never managed to dish out more than 3.7 apg? The 5th overall pick of 2004 who has never averaged double figures in points anytime in his career? The guy is barely able to keep the "bust" label at bay.

    Who else? DeSagana Diop? Erik Dampier? Austin Croshere? Devean friggin' George? Greg Buckner? We're not exactly talking about quality talent here, people! The mavs have 4 very good players, and a bunch of nobodies that play well together.

    And yet the Mavericks were only 2 games shy of an NBA title last year. And they've been on an onslaught this year. It's a testament to Avery Johnson's coaching, and to Dirk Nowitzki's dominance. By all rights, the "Coach of the Year" and "MVP" awards should be headed for Dallas this season. But this is most certainly NOT a deep team.
  • Rocky
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6896

    #2
    Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

    Originally posted by platic
    There seems to be a myth going around that the Dallas Mavericks are sporting one of the league's deepest rosters. Well, I'm afraid that is just not true.

    Has anybody actually bothered to look at the collection of "talent" they have? They have one bonifide star in Dirk Nowitzki. Most elite teams have at least two, maybe even three. After Dirk, the Mavs have three very good complementary players --- Josh Howard, Jason Terry, and Jerry Stackhouse. Two of those guys were refugees/rejects from mediocre teams.

    So the Mavs are 4-players deep. One superstar, and three very good complementary players. No question about the talent of those guys. Who comes next?

    Devin Harris? The only Maverick who has spent most of his career inside Avery Johnson's dog house? The point guard who has never managed to dish out more than 3.7 apg? The 5th overall pick of 2004 who has never averaged double figures in points anytime in his career? The guy is barely able to keep the "bust" label at bay.

    Who else? DeSagana Diop? Erik Dampier? Austin Croshere? Devean friggin' George? Greg Buckner? We're not exactly talking about quality talent here, people! The mavs have 4 very good players, and a bunch of nobodies that play well together.

    And yet the Mavericks were only 2 games shy of an NBA title last year. And they've been on an onslaught this year. It's a testament to Avery Johnson's coaching, and to Dirk Nowitzki's dominance. By all rights, the "Coach of the Year" and "MVP" awards should be headed for Dallas this season. But this is most certainly NOT a deep team.
    I would say that's fairly deep for an NBA team today. Who's deeper? San Antonio? PHX? Detroit?
    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
    -Rocky Balboa

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    • Court_vision
      Banned
      • Oct 2002
      • 8290

      #3
      Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

      I agree with the OP.

      Dirk should be the MVP in an absolute landslide.

      If you took him off the roster and wanted to trade the rest...you'd not get much for them, Howard aside.

      Terry is a good PG...not an elite one.

      Stack was washed up...now a bench guy.

      Harris is young and has talent...but there's guys from his draft AND later drafts that are a long way ahead of him.

      Dampier, Croshere...no one wanted them.

      GREAT job Avery...MVP by a mile Dirk.

      I fear for this team in the playoffs though. They play every game at a very high level / the same high level.

      I don't know that they can improve.

      Conversely, the Spurs AND Suns have a tonne of imrpovement in them.

      Utah and Houston also could easily go up a level or two.

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      • Court_vision
        Banned
        • Oct 2002
        • 8290

        #4
        Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

        Originally posted by Rocky
        I would say that's fairly deep for an NBA team today. Who's deeper? San Antonio? PHX? Detroit?
        Spurs, Suns for sure...

        I'd also say the Jazz are much deeper...put Dirk on the Jazz and they'd win 5 rings.

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        • Rocky
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 6896

          #5
          Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

          Originally posted by Court_vision
          Spurs, Suns for sure...

          I'd also say the Jazz are much deeper...put Dirk on the Jazz and they'd win 5 rings.
          Eh, the Spurs are debatable.

          I think the Terry/Harris combo are better than Parker and his backups. The Mavs also have better big men in Diop and Dampier. Both would start for the Spurs. Barry/Finley/Bowen are a bit better than Howard/George/Buckner and Ginobli>Stackhouse.
          "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
          -Rocky Balboa

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          • mvb34
            S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
            • Jul 2002
            • 8138

            #6
            Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

            Originally posted by Court_vision
            Spurs, Suns for sure...

            I'd also say the Jazz are much deeper...put Dirk on the Jazz and they'd win 5 rings.
            Let see if Dirk can win one ring first, he choked in his first try at a ring...
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            • Seether4113
              R**k**
              • Feb 2003
              • 536

              #7
              Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

              Originally posted by mvb34
              Let see if Dirk can win one ring first, he choked in his first try at a ring...
              LOL. says the guy sporting the T'wolves avatar.
              Jesus saves

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              • Kashanova
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 12695

                #8
                Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                Originally posted by tater_132000
                LOL. says the guy sporting the T'wolves avatar.
                so? both teams have done nothing so what does it matter

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                • ZB9
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 18387

                  #9
                  Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                  Originally posted by Kashanova
                  so? both teams have done nothing so what does it matter
                  theyve both gotten past the first round...something TMac has yet to do :wink:

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                  • ZB9
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 18387

                    #10
                    Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                    Originally posted by mvb34
                    Let see if Dirk can win one ring first, he choked in his first try at a ring...
                    lol yea i think Wolves fans would know how to identify that well, as often as theyve seen Garnett do it. Hes the chokin masta, "but he aint a fool"

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                    • nkhera1
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 5913

                      #11
                      Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                      Originally posted by tater_132000
                      LOL. says the guy sporting the T'wolves avatar.
                      Does that make him unqualified to make that statement?
                      Just wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.

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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #12
                        Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                        Originally posted by ZB9
                        theyve both gotten past the first round...something TMac has yet to do :wink:
                        dirk has no rings either does tmac, so team achievements are out, now indivual achievement? oh no contest tmac blows dirk out of the water

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                        • SoMiss2000
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 20499

                          #13
                          Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                          lol, so by your definition of a deep team, the Mavs need Dirk and 3 other great players....lol. I recall the Bulls winning 6 championships in the the 90s with Jordan, Pippen, and a bunch of scrubs.
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                          • ZB9
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 18387

                            #14
                            Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                            Originally posted by Kashanova
                            dirk has no rings either does tmac, so team achievements are out, now indivual achievement? oh no contest tmac blows dirk out of the water
                            lol yea team achievements are out. They are probably out because TMac always loses in the first round. Dirk hasnt lost in the first round in something like 6 or 7 years.

                            but what individual accomplishments are you talking about? being voted as a starter to the all-star team with help from the Chinese folks?
                            Last edited by ZB9; 03-08-2007, 10:03 PM.

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                            • Kashanova
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 12695

                              #15
                              Re: The Mavs are NOT a deep team

                              Originally posted by ZB9
                              lol yea team achievements are out. They are probably out because TMac always loses in the first round. Dirk hasnt lost in the first round in something like 6 or 7 years.

                              but what individual accomplishments are you talking about? being voted as a starter to the all-star team with help from the Chinese folks?
                              no team achievements are out cause neither has a ring

                              tmac achievements go like this

                              7 or 8 all star

                              nba all team 5 times

                              2 time scoring champ one year going 32+

                              1 time nba most improved

                              62 point game

                              37 points in one half

                              41 40 point games

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