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  • Chip Douglass
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2005
    • 12256

    #46
    Re: With this day being the last day of the season

    Originally posted by Brandon13
    I'd much rather see that than teams tanking.
    Can you blame them? The Celtics probably land Durant and instantly revitalize their franchise.

    The lottery system is fair as it is. It's better than anything else set in place in other leagues (the NFL).
    I write things on the Internet.

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    • TheMatrix31
      RF
      • Jul 2002
      • 52915

      #47
      Re: With this day being the last day of the season

      How about each team in the playoffs gets one ball, and each team out of the playoffs gets three balls? This way, everyone gets a shot, non-playoff teams get abetter shot, but no non-playoff team has a better shot @ number one over any other. It would curb tanking, yet give the crap teams a shot at #1

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      • Brandon13
        All Star
        • Oct 2005
        • 8915

        #48
        Re: With this day being the last day of the season

        Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
        Can you blame them? The Celtics probably land Durant and instantly revitalize their franchise.

        The lottery system is fair as it is. It's better than anything else set in place in other leagues (the NFL).
        No I can't blame the organizations but I can blame the system that rewards teams that tank. The lottery system is better than what the NFL has, but it's still very far from perfect and it needs to be adjusted.

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        • Chip Douglass
          Hall Of Fame
          • Dec 2005
          • 12256

          #49
          Re: With this day being the last day of the season

          Originally posted by TheMatrix31
          This way, everyone gets a shot, non-playoff teams get a better shot.
          That's what the lottery system does.....it gives non-playoff teams a better shot of winning a higher draft pick. It's all about probability.
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          • TheMatrix31
            RF
            • Jul 2002
            • 52915

            #50
            Re: With this day being the last day of the season

            Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
            That's what the lottery system does.....it gives non-playoff teams a better shot of winning a higher draft pick. It's all about probability.
            But having different probabilities leads to tanking, which is what we'd be trying to avoid.

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            • Chip Douglass
              Hall Of Fame
              • Dec 2005
              • 12256

              #51
              Re: With this day being the last day of the season

              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
              But having different probabilities leads to tanking, which is what we'd be trying to avoid.
              The point is it's not guarenteed. Sure, the Celtics and Grizzlies will probably be #1 and #2 in pecking order in the draft, but note the use of the word "probably".

              The current system is fine with me.
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              • Brandon13
                All Star
                • Oct 2005
                • 8915

                #52
                Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                The point is it's not guarenteed. Sure, the Celtics and Grizzlies will probably be #1 and #2 in pecking order in the draft, but note the use of the word "probably".

                The current system is fine with me.
                And even with that, teams still tanked. I don't think it's a good thing for the league when teams are tanking knowing that it guarantees them of nothing.

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                • Chip Douglass
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 12256

                  #53
                  Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                  Originally posted by Brandon13
                  And even with that, teams still tanked. I don't think it's a good thing for the league when teams are tanking knowing that it guarantees them of nothing.
                  I understand, but your basically defeating the purpose of the draft if you want to change the criteria. I don't want the Pacers or Clippers, already playoff-caliber teams, adding Durant or Oden.
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                  • Brandon13
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8915

                    #54
                    Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                    Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                    I understand, but your basically defeating the purpose of the draft if you want to change the criteria. I don't want the Pacers or Clippers, already playoff-caliber teams, adding Durant or Oden.
                    We're just gonna have to disagree on this. I understand what your saying I just don't agree with it.

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                    • TheMatrix31
                      RF
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 52915

                      #55
                      Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                      What do you think of my setup, Brandon?

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                      • Brandon13
                        All Star
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 8915

                        #56
                        Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                        What do you think of my setup, Brandon?
                        I would definitely prefer it to the current setup, but I still like the "every non playoff team has an equal chance while the playoff teams have zero chance" and the "non playoff team with the best record has the best shot at winning the lottery," setups better.

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                        • HMcCoy
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8212

                          #57
                          Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                          I get the fact that tanking seems to lack integrity, but I'd be willing to bet that you'd have a tough time finding non-Beantowners who would watch the Celtics right now even if they were playing their hearts out. A bad/hurt team is a bad/hurt team reguardless of effort level. I wouldn't completely skew the system of giving a bad teams' fanbase hope for the next season, just to see two garbage teams that no one cares about play a little harder in meaningless games. Not too mention that they would STILL be tanking...do you think PP or any other important player would still be playing? Ask a GS fan...its hard enough to get better with the current sytem. I dunno... maybe I just don't understand what you guys want to see from these bad squads that would be worth unbalancing the league worse than it already is (East v. West), and creating an even bigger gap between the haves and have nots.

                          Personally, given the choice of watching the Knicks and C's play their starters 20 games out of contention, or seeing those two storied franchises get back on top, I'd choose the latter.
                          Last edited by HMcCoy; 04-19-2007, 04:04 AM.
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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #58
                            Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                            The same thing that got those teams in bad situations will be the thing that gets them out. MANAGEMENT. Better decisions = better teams ala Toronto.

                            Tanking is just one of those things indicative of how far the league fallen.

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                            • HMcCoy
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8212

                              #59
                              Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                              Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                              The same thing that got those teams in bad situations will be the thing that gets them out. MANAGEMENT. Better decisions = better teams ala Toronto.

                              Tanking is just one of those things indicative of how far the league fallen.
                              Management, Dre? Gotta disagree bro...I like Colangelo too, but Toronto is better primarily becuase of a #5 pick, and a #1 pick, and they played bench players down the stretch just like everyone else has to get those picks. Sam Mitchell was about to be run out of town last season, and now he's the front-runner for COY.

                              Good players do that.

                              Management doen't mean crap without top picks or valuable trade assets. You guys want to strip both of those commodities from bad teams...and again...for what exactly? Bad games that are hard fought?

                              And Dre, had the league 'fallen' when the spurs tanked to get TD? I imagine coaches have been tapping the brakes to get better positioning since the lottery system was introduced...some are just better at hiding it. That isn't exclusive to this season alone...
                              Last edited by HMcCoy; 04-19-2007, 01:18 AM.
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                              • Streets
                                Supreme
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 5787

                                #60
                                Re: With this day being the last day of the season

                                Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                                The same thing that got those teams in bad situations will be the thing that gets them out. MANAGEMENT. Better decisions = better teams ala Toronto.

                                Tanking is just one of those things indicative of how far the league fallen.
                                I agree. I like what someone said in another thread about the closer you get to making the playoffs, the more lottery balls you get as a consolation. So this year, yes, the Clippers would get an Oden or Durant to play alongside Brand, but I guarentee you that they will be out of the running next year and another team that has made good MANAGEMENT decisions (not just tanking all season... there is no honor in that. HATED when Orlando did it), will get rewarded for being on the cusp, and hopefully, they will be catapulted into the playoffs, and taken out of the running for next year, and so on and so forth.

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