**11/7 games thread**

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  • HMcCoy
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    • Jan 2003
    • 8212

    #16
    Re: **11/7 games thread**

    LeBron, for all his gifts, doesn't move well laterally, never has, and will never be more than an average ball defender unfortunately. It is what it is, and has been in his scouting report from day 1. He's got the length and quicks to play good positional defense and work angles, but he's not gonna be any more than adequate on D. The FT's are a strange thing on the other hand. LeBron likes to come off as aloof to detractors, but most folks close to the Cavs say he really does take criticisms personally, and has worked pretty hard at the line. It's more mental than anything, and at 22, I chalk it up to just another thing he has to improve, but its pretty tough to watch some nights, lol. Before last season, LeBron didn't have a single post move, or get many blocks at all...can't knock him on either anymore. He'll develop his stroke as well...hopefull sooner than later cuz 50% from the line aint gonna cut it.

    As far as other guys, they can do what they do, but they will never have LeBron's physical tools, and it's not even close. Deron isn't going to develop a 44-inch vertical and Melo is never going to be able to outrun most PG's on the break. Conversly, there isn't anything in any of those guys games that Lebron can't learn with practice. Obviously, potential doesn't always amount to a mound of fresh doo doo...but Bron has shown what he can do when things fall into place, ala dropping 40 points in a row on one of the top defenses in the league, lol. I don't think anyone you mentioned there could do as much with as little. IE, everyone was saying how much better Wade was until they saw how sh*tty the Heat were without Shaq last season.
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    • Jerbear
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      • Jul 2006
      • 708

      #17
      Re: **11/7 games thread**

      Watched Orlando & T.O. last night. Hedo Turkoglu and Keith Bogans played great. Orlando have a a great starting 5. Pretty weak bench though.

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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39373

        #18
        Re: **11/7 games thread**

        i think LeBrons so good no one on the staff will dig into him and make him get his free throw shooting on point....he needs someone to to really make him concentrate on it....b\c its a problem as much as he goes to the line

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        • Bornindamecca
          Books Nelson Simnation
          • Jul 2007
          • 10919

          #19
          Re: **11/7 games thread**

          Originally posted by HMcCoy
          As far as other guys, they can do what they do, but they will never have LeBron's physical tools, and it's not even close. Deron isn't going to develop a 44-inch vertical and Melo is never going to be able to outrun most PG's on the break. Conversly, there isn't anything in any of those guys games that Lebron can't learn with practice. Obviously, potential doesn't always amount to a mound of fresh doo doo...but Bron has shown what he can do when things fall into place, ala dropping 40 points in a row on one of the top defenses in the league, lol. I don't think anyone you mentioned there could do as much with as little. IE, everyone was saying how much better Wade was until they saw how sh*tty the Heat were without Shaq last season.
          I mentioned those guys because it's not about them being better than him, it's about them beating him in the playoffs. When we talk about Lebron, we're really talking about him winning championships, right? Well the talent that he has to face over the next five to seven years is going to be stiff. It's not about them being great players, it's about them making teams that are better than the Cavs, and beating them in the playoffs. Hell, outside of TD, no forward in the league has come close to Garnett's individual talent. However, that has meant nothing until this year, see what I'm saying?

          For comparison, Dirk was never as good defensively as KG, Tim was never as athletic, Sheed never gave as much hustle, Boozer isn't as tall, but these guys are competition and their talent level has allowed them to have much bettter teams as KG. That's the danger of the talent pool in the NBA for Bron.
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          • HMcCoy
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            • Jan 2003
            • 8212

            #20
            Re: **11/7 games thread**

            Originally posted by Bornindamecca
            I mentioned those guys because it's not about them being better than him, it's about them beating him in the playoffs. When we talk about Lebron, we're really talking about him winning championships, right? Well the talent that he has to face over the next five to seven years is going to be stiff. It's not about them being great players, it's about them making teams that are better than the Cavs, and beating them in the playoffs. Hell, outside of TD, no forward in the league has come close to Garnett's individual talent. However, that has meant nothing until this year, see what I'm saying?

            For comparison, Dirk was never as good defensively as KG, Tim was never as athletic, Sheed never gave as much hustle, Boozer isn't as tall, but these guys are competition and their talent level has allowed them to have much bettter teams as KG. That's the danger of the talent pool in the NBA for Bron.

            Ahhhh...Gotcha. Good points.

            I'm pretty confident that Bron is going to bounce when this contract is up if the Cavs haven't built a winner around him. Sux for us, but can't blame him for not wanting to end up like KG. Smart guy to sign the short deal to force the franchise to make good moves...
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