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  • dopeboy206
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    • Oct 2007
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    Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the Sonics

    By Jim Brunner
    Seattle Times staff reporter

    Lawyers for Sonics owners tried to get Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels during a deposition last month to admit that the team's departure would have little impact on the city — and would even have the benefit of improving traffic around KeyArena.
    In a further sign of an apparent legal strategy of downplaying the Sonics' importance, the team's lead local attorney, Brad Keller, repeatedly asked Nickels whether the NBA's departure would harm the city.
    "Can you identify any specific company that was considering locating here that told you that an important consideration to them was that Seattle had an NBA franchise?" Keller asked during a typical exchange.
    Nickels answered no, though he also insisted that professional sports are a part of what makes "a great city."
    That exchange, and dozens of similar ones, came during Nickels' four-hour deposition by Sonics attorneys fighting Seattle's federal lawsuit that seeks to keep the team at KeyArena through September 2010, the end of current lease.
    A copy of the April 2 deposition was made available for review Wednesday by Seattle City Attorney Tom Carr's office, in response to a public-disclosure request.
    While professional sports teams generally like to pump up their importance to the community — especially when demanding taxpayer-funded arenas — part of the Sonics owners' strategy in the lease lawsuit has been to prove that Seattle no longer cares for the team and won't miss it.
    The team's attorneys have argued in legal filings that the Sonics' departure would cause "no net economic loss" for the city because people would simply shift entertainment spending to "the city's many other sports and entertainment options."
    The team wants to pay a cash settlement of the KeyArena lease in exchange for leaving to play in Oklahoma City next year. The case is scheduled to go to trial June 16.
    Nickels was repeatedly asked during his deposition to admit the Sonics' departure would have no effect on Seattle's major assets, from big employers like Boeing, to attractions such as the Pike Place Market or views of Mount Rainier. At one point, Keller got Nickels to admit the team's exit would be a boon in one sense — reducing the game-day traffic that contributes to the so-called "Mercer Mess" on the streets around KeyArena.
    "If the Sonics didn't play the last two years under their lease you would have at least 41 days of amelioration of the Mercer mess, wouldn't you?" Keller asked.
    Nickels answered: "Well, we would have 41 evenings that would be less congested on the Mercer Street, yes."
    Keller also asked Nickels about San Diego, which has seen the departure of two NBA teams: the Rockets to Houston and the Clippers to Los Angeles.
    Nickels was asked whether he considered San Diego, without an NBA team, a "world-class city."
    "I consider it a fine city," Nickels said. "Second to Seattle or third, maybe fourth best on the West Coast."
    During the wide-ranging deposition, Keller also asked Nickels whether he'd delayed pushing for a KeyArena expansion for the Sonics until after his 2005 re-election campaign — an accusation the mayor strongly denied.
    In another testy exchange, Keller pressed Nickels on whether the city's lease lawsuit was part of a scheme to force principal Sonics owner Clay Bennett and his Oklahoma City partners to sell to a local group led by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer.
    Nickels responded that "the longer the team is here, the better the chances are that we will find a long-term solution, one of those parts being local ownership."
    Keller accused Nickels of not answering his question, and rephrased his question several times but eventually moved on to other topics.
    The Sonics' lousy play on the basketball court this year — the team wound up with the worst record in franchise history — also was raised during the deposition.
    After Nickels talked about the great pride he and others felt after the Sonics' 1979 NBA championship, Keller asked whether the mayor felt "great pride and exuberance" in the team's most-recent season.
    Nickels: "Pride and exuberance are not the emotions that come to mind."
    Keller: "Fair enough, sir."

  • Coug00
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    Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

    Just announced a Co-press conference is setup for 5pm (PDT) tonight in Seattle and Oklahoma City on the future of the Sonics. Apparently, there's been a settlement between the City of Seattle and <strike>Satan</strike> Clay Bennett.

    If its a settlement there's no way the Sonics are staying in Seattle for 2 more years. At most its one and done with a higher buyout to the city.

    Sadly, this will be the end of basketball in the 13th largest market and hello to the NBA in the 45th largest market.

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    • Cebby
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      • Apr 2005
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      Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

      Originally posted by Coug00
      Sadly, this will be the end of basketball in the 13th largest market and hello to the NBA in the 45th largest market.


      I love it when fans try to make arguments based on finances. I think people with hundreds of millions at stake probably know a bit more about the financial implications than dudes on a message board.

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      • SPTO
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        • Feb 2003
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        Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

        Damn....

        I don't know the situation as well as people over there but why didn't Ballmer come up sooner to try and buy the team?
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        "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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        • Coug00
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          Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

          Originally posted by Cebby


          I love it when fans try to make arguments based on finances. I think people with hundreds of millions at stake probably know a bit more about the financial implications than dudes on a message board.
          I love it when people who know nothing of the matter attempt to make others look stupid. The sole purpose of Clay Bennett buying the Sonics was to bring them to Oklahoma City, no matter the financial losses he and his crew would incur. His emails have been made public due to their court case...they bought the Sonics so they could watch courtside basketball at home.

          BTW...David Stern admitted they're missing out on tons of potential money by moving out of Seattle's market and into OKC's.
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          • sammyc521
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            • Feb 2003
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            Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

            Originally posted by SPTO
            Damn....

            I don't know the situation as well as people over there but why didn't Ballmer come up sooner to try and buy the team?
            Ballmer is doing this as a citizen of Seattle, not as a sports fan. When the team was originally for sale, only OKC and a San Diego group expressed interest.

            Also, the measure to sell was 51:49 so it wasn't like everyone in the 100+ ownership Schultz group wanted to sell.

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            • Cebby
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              • Apr 2005
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              Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

              Originally posted by Coug00
              I love it when people who know nothing of the matter attempt to make others look stupid. The sole purpose of Clay Bennett buying the Sonics was to bring them to Oklahoma City, no matter the financial losses he and his crew would incur. His emails have been made public due to their court case...they bought the Sonics so they could watch courtside basketball at home.
              So you'd be absolutely fine if the Sonics were moving to Tampa?

              You're mad because he's moving it from Seattle. I don't really believe their entire claims, but they are saying there'd be about an 85 million dollar swing in profit from 2008-2010 if they move to OKC and said they've lost $32 million this last season. The franchise is steady losing $30 mil a season. It really can't get worse.

              I'm saying that if people really want the Sonics to stay, people really need to go all out buying tickets. If you're trying to make a statement for a team to stay in the city, finishing 3rd to last in ticket sales is not the way to go. I don't really want the Sonics to go, because I like their name and colors, but $30 million in losses is $30 million in losses.
              Last edited by Cebby; 07-02-2008, 06:42 PM.

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              • sammyc521
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                • Feb 2003
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                Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

                They can easily project to make money in a new city for 2 years...but what about after the honeymoon period?

                Finance play a big impact b/c if the team sucks like Memphis, it doesn't matter how nice their arena is b/c people don't support crappy teams. The reason for the $85 million swing has a lot to do with all the free money that OKC is throwing the Sonics' way. It's easy to make money when people are giving it away. Do you understand how much OKC paid to move the Sonics to their city?

                This doesn't even include the money they are spending on the Ford Center; which is mostly money spent toward offices and making the building look prettier.

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                • Coug00
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                  Re: Lawyers for sonics owner pressured Mayor Nickels to say Seattle won't miss the So

                  Originally posted by Cebby
                  So you'd be absolutely fine if the Sonics were moving to Tampa?

                  You're mad because he's moving it from Seattle. I don't really believe their entire claims, but they are saying there'd be about an 85 million dollar swing in profit from 2008-2010 if they move to OKC and said they've lost $32 million this last season. The franchise is steady losing $30 mil a season. It really can't get worse.

                  I'm saying that if people really want the Sonics to stay, people really need to go all out buying tickets. If you're trying to make a statement for a team to stay in the city, finishing 3rd to last in ticket sales is not the way to go. I don't really want the Sonics to go, because I like their name and colors, but $30 million in losses is $30 million in losses.
                  You're reading way too much into my comment. I don't care if its OKC, Tampa, or Toledo. I'm mad because they signed a clause saying they'd make 1 year of good faith efforts to stay in Seattle. The new ownership group has been caught red-handed lying about keeping the team in Seattle. They put out a ridiculous offer for a new arena that they were sure would get rejected. If for some reason it wasn't rejected they said they'd sell it to a Seattle group, "for a sweet flip".

                  Two years ago Seattle was 15th in attendance for Clay Bennett's near last place Sonics. It didn't matter if they packed the stands every single game, he was moving them for reasons other than financial. The new ownership group are oil and energy tycoons so loaded they could wipe their asses with money and not think twice about it. The entire reason they bought the team was to be able to watch the NBA courtside in their hometown. I'm mad because they took 40 years of NBA history in Seattle and flushed it down the drain.
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